That would make the D7 about 600 feet, or roughly 200 metersish, and most of that neck.
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That feels kind of small, honestly. For the entire Federation? Kind of...jarringly low numbers.
Also gonna approval vote for this!
The markings which resemble windows are actually a colourful variety of ethnic slurs for other species who the Klingons consider to be less honourable, strong, or warlike than themselves. (I.E. everyone.) Every time the ship completes a mission or receives some new accolade, it is allowed to get a new marking from the Hall of Slurs. This sacred space is guarded day and night by the Slur-Keepers, who also tend the Eternal Flame of Prejudice, and moderate some of Qo'noS's less savoury image boards.
These dubious markings also work as a potent form of OCM (Offensive Counter-Measures) against Starfleet. When Federation starships attempt to scan the the Klingon vessels, they are immediately bombarded by a litany of horrifically offensive words, which causes the Universal Translator's content filter to furiously kick in, confusing targetting algorithms. Even attempting a basic multi-spectral scan or handshake protocol with a Klingon ship during peacetime can be a fraught exercise.
Oh hey, just thought of another thing Extra Crew Quarters could help with:
Leave one or two rooms unused. The ship meets a new polity and wants to convince them the Federation is friendly. The first thing they are going to think is how this is clearly a warship. Their dignitaries get invited onboard. Representatives are confused by Science Labs on warship. Then they get to stay in some fairly luxurious rooms. Apparently the warship has diplomatic facilities onboard? Except no, these are just spare crew quarters, not even officers quarters, which are even more luxurious. So apparently the way the Federation builds their warships also lets them function as science ships and pleasure cruise vessels. So now this new polity is like "Oh, how silly of us. At first we thought the Federation would be a highly militant society that could totally wreck us if provoked, but they are actually just a bunch of chill nerds who happen to be able to wreck us. Wait, there has to be a reason these chill, peace-loving nerds would make their luxury cruise science vessels so badass. What sorts of dangers are out there? Maybe we should buddy up to them for safety."
TLDR: Diplomacy!
Leave one or two rooms unused. The ship meets a new polity and wants to convince them the Federation is friendly. The first thing they are going to think is how this is clearly a warship. Their dignitaries get invited onboard. Representatives are confused by Science Labs on warship. Then they get to stay in some fairly luxurious rooms. Apparently the warship has diplomatic facilities onboard? Except no, these are just spare crew quarters, not even officers quarters, which are even more luxurious. So apparently the way the Federation builds their warships also lets them function as science ships and pleasure cruise vessels. So now this new polity is like "Oh, how silly of us. At first we thought the Federation would be a highly militant society that could totally wreck us if provoked, but they are actually just a bunch of chill nerds who happen to be able to wreck us. Wait, there has to be a reason these chill, peace-loving nerds would make their luxury cruise science vessels so badass. What sorts of dangers are out there? Maybe we should buddy up to them for safety."
TLDR: Diplomacy!
This is only mentioning first production runs. We built a total of twelve Kea class ships and sixteen Saladin class ships, for example. The Newton is similar numbers, and I think we build eighteen Archer class ships overall (although some blew up).
It would be a good idea to actually tot up all the ships in service as of {Current Year}, but I would guesstimate it will be somewhere north of fifty or sixty but a bit less than a hundred.
It does roughly align with what the writers of TOS probably envisioned, where the Enterprise being of a class of 12 (possibly 14 assuming everything is TOS and not just TOS-R inventions). Though I do agree, even the 7k figure Discovery gives is a bit too low for a polity of (now) 20 full members, unless they have substantial national fleets still.
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Love the idea, but I think the extra crew quarters are less luxurious and more not bunk beds so you actually have your own space.
Diplomacy ships will be cool though
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And that's just Starfleet (that is, Federation, not including member-world) ships that we (and not San Francisco or other bureaus) have designed.
Iirc we got one was of 2200 and it came out to about 100-150, can't find the post though. Someone made a separate post (from the one it came from) a while ago, before the last tac vote, I think.
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14 is the number of ships named in the TOS season 2 bible. Specifically, Enterprise, Exeter, Excalibur, Lexington, Yorktown, Potemkin, Republic, Hood, Constitution, Kongo, Constellation, Farragut, Valiant, Intrepid.
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Found this! A combo of an official statement by Sayle from a while ago and what we've built/had built since.
Found this! A combo of an official statement by Sayle from a while ago and what we've built/had built since.
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none of the TOS sets had windows. not on ships, anyway. it was all viewscreens, and not even very large ones. presumably because they didn't have the budget for the needed practical effects, despite the windows being clearly visible on the models.
This is explicitly the case. the vast majority of the Federation members maintain their own fleets entirely independent of the Starfleet. Earth is the main exception, because they basically donated their entire fleet to the Federation on its founding.
So yes, there are non-trivial member fleets around. granted not all of them are military or military adjacent---nobody is going to seriously consider Risan pleasure liners a military threat, for example---but the Andorian Imperial Guard, for a start, is still very much a thing, the Vulcans maintain a fairly large number of their own ships, and so on. In point of fact, this is one of the reasons the Dominion war was never as desperate as a lot of people make it out to be: the Federation still had the massive reserves of the Member Fleets to call on, and hadn't even gone to a wartime economy before it was over.
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Given we still see Vulcan ships hanging around in Prodigy and Lower Decks (and I *swear* there was one or two in TNG but I can't find them, so… take that with a shaker of salt), I think it's a decent assumption!
Republic, Intrepid, or Constellation all seem like great names for this class to me if people want to avoid Constitution, apropos of nothing.
Also interesting that the Defiant from ENT is not mentioned here: implying either some canon divergence (not implausible) or a second tranche of ships at some point.
Oh, neat! More than I thought honestly. We built a lot of Newton and Archer class ships compared to the Kea or Saladin.
Hmmm, I thought there were twelve Sagamartha type ships rather than ten, did I hallucinate that?
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Funnily enough, I was planning to advocate for an Aft Cargo Bay on the ground that there would probably be some more shiny science choices in the main portion of the saucer, but the previous vote already closed before I got off work. No complaints through, now we get to make a Long Range, Heavily Armed, Science Ship; so hopefully people will finally admit that this is going to be our UFS Enterprise.
[X] Stellar Dynamics (+2 Science)
[X] Extra Crew Quarters
Extra Crew Quarters, become more personal in higher quality room will be useful for both a warship and a explorer on a 5-year mission. Choose Stellar Dynamics over Chemistry for three reasons:
[X] Stellar Dynamics (+2 Science)
[X] Extra Crew Quarters
Extra Crew Quarters, become more personal in higher quality room will be useful for both a warship and a explorer on a 5-year mission. Choose Stellar Dynamics over Chemistry for three reasons:
- It synergizes better with the long range, high speed ship we're making. And since it will probably the first Federation ship to explore new areas, finding anything interesting is useful
- When you think about it, isn't a medical bay with diagnostic equipment just a chemistry lab that is specialized in biochemistry?
- If there are any really interesting samples we come across, it can always call one of the Keas to come and perform an in-depth survey and investigation while it continues to explore.
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we've lost a couple over the years and haven't built any more (because, y'know, outdated) so the ten listed here are the ones still in service.
edit: And I am once again going to shill for "Exigence Class" on this one.
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I would support this, especially if it deliberately bucks the trend of being a stereotypical "space carrier" and is instead something more like a space seaplane or torpedo boat tender. It would need to be as janky as possible; I'm talking something that makes the Archer look sleek and elegant.
Iirc it's long be held by fans, but only recently officially become a canon thing. At least as far as maintaining a fleet capable of persecuting a war on behalf of the wider Federation government goes.
I'd say it's a bit low, but I tend to treat the TOS Federation as basically a bunch of napoleonic war era Britain's in space, so I'd have said with our 20 members 4,500 to 12,900 starships would be about right (depending on if you count stuff other than frigates & ships of the line).
We did, iirc some of them got decommissioned early.