They will still be of use engaging targets of opportunity in our rear aspect when we're seeking out or lining up on targets in front of us - something which'll be of great use in fleet battles involving our weaker ships, we'll be better suited to help them without having to actually turn around and focus down on whatever target they're engaging.
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[X] Aft Phaser, Aft Torpedo (Cost 73 -> 79.25) [Second Tranche: 67 -> 73.25]
Should be enough to make a BoP have a really bad day if it tries to get on the Connie's tail.
Should be enough to make a BoP have a really bad day if it tries to get on the Connie's tail.
darkstarling
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You know what, this convinces me. Our phaser on the back plus a photon will shore up our ability to participate in fleet engagements in a way extra phaser coverage on the front wouldn't have.
[x] Aft Phaser, Aft Torpedo (Cost 73 -> 79.25) [Second Tranche: 67 -> 73.25]
Given we only have ventral forward phasers I don't think that we'll always have targets in the fore arc. And likely Klingon tactics will involve some use of frigates to try and cover their cruisers against us. Even if we're more mobile that doesn't guarantee that we can evade them if we're trying to line up on something else. Aft armament makes us a little safer from that and dissuaded frigates from even trying it.
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[X] Aft Phaser, Aft Torpedo (Cost 73 -> 79.25) [Second Tranche: 67 -> 73.25]
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A part of me wonders what we could have achieved if we maxed out the weapons...
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I mean. Yes? The whole point of the vote is "is it worth building less ships if they have these extra parts." No one is under the impression that we wouldn't want these if we could get them for free.
If we also took the strongest shield probably the deadliest thing in alpha and beta quadrant for the nenxt few decades.
Yes, but those pennies need pinching or costs will grow out of control.
This is not penny pinching we are already over budget pretty sure!
Sarpedon
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At the end of the day this is a crash building program, we need to be able to punch these things out which means we need to make trade offs in service of that. As such we should either dispense with chase armament entirely or use the single torpedo if people must include an aft armament.
Making it too expensive to build is also in their interest.
It boils down to differing intuitions about how the various numbers actually effect the setting.
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In my very honest opinion we pinched enough with the forward coverage for this aft coverage and can pinch slightly more for better trade offs with the shields because mission killing slower ships in one pass thanks to the aft weapons makes having the best shields less important.
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We can't afford to build the perfect ship, there isn't enough time before the war breaks out. Having an extra primary combatant in a big fleet battle is more meaningful than an extra phaser in a spot that won't see a great deal of use.
The aft torpedo at least has a specific use case that isn't otherwise covered, in chases. The phaser is just dropping more damage on a ship where we're already patting ourselves on the back for its damage numbers.
The aft torpedo at least has a specific use case that isn't otherwise covered, in chases. The phaser is just dropping more damage on a ship where we're already patting ourselves on the back for its damage numbers.
Going for aft phasers and torpedoes is hardly going to break the bank, especially when we took the forward phaser armament option that saved us 8 cost (taking the the phaser and photon torpedo will only cost us 3 more than either by itself, but also give an additional 18 to the rear alpha).
3 extra cost for 18 extra damage is a very worthwhile one.
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People bringing up the use of the aft weapons in fleet battles.
This ship is literally too fast to use in fleet battles. The only ship that stands a hope in hell of supporting it in a fleet battle is the Selachii which would be trying to keep Bops from boom and zooming our other ships.
This ship is literally too fast to use in fleet battles. The only ship that stands a hope in hell of supporting it in a fleet battle is the Selachii which would be trying to keep Bops from boom and zooming our other ships.
I mean, you say that but the update even notes that an aft phaser would be useful in fleet actions* under certain doctrines.
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Do you know what the fast wing of a battleline is?
Because we'll be able to use the superior manouverability of our heavy cruiser to make life much easier for the slower elements of the fleet.
Just because we can't bring friends doesn't mean the other guys can't.
Yeah, this ship is bad to act as the anchor of a fleet action and attempting to do so would be sacrificing some of it's greatest strengths...
But we can use the rest of the fleet as an anchor. Replace one big battleship with a block of ships in formation where they all have wide phaser arcs and they can rotate ships towards the center as shields get damaged.
The Lightning flies around such a formation punishing any ship that tries to square up with it.
Hear me out, this thing is fast both Strategic and tactically right? So its not a heavy Cruiser anylonger! We made a battlecruiser, give it light covariant shields and it can catch anything it can kill, and run away from anything it can't!
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[X] Aft Phaser, Aft Torpedo (Cost 73 -> 79.25) [Second Tranche: 67 -> 73.25]
[X] Aft Torpedo (Cost 73 -> 75.25) [Second Tranche: 67 -> 69.25]
[X] Aft Torpedo (Cost 73 -> 75.25) [Second Tranche: 67 -> 69.25]