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no the ones on the finished diagrams of the ships we did,check the "2225: Project Halley (Retrospective)" they are plenty of them
It's designed for both, we've maxed out this ship's maneuverability which makes flyby extremely easy against anything but other max maneuverability builds.
The vast majority of those builds are fragile enough that a Phaser and Torpedo combo can concveibly kill them without requiring this ship to reorient its forward weapons.
That high end cost considerations is very inaccurate.
Even if we stick with no extra weapons Shields are still going to push the cost into the 80s (Regular Heavy Shields on a 180kt hull come out to ~18) which means having even 2 ships survive because of the extra firepower would more than pay for that 125 extra cost over 20 hulls.
Basically without the torpedo and phaser combo we're gonna have shit rear alpha, and whilst manouverability will make up for it somewhat the ability to just dump an extra 36 damage into whatever you've just been hammering shouldn't be overlooked.
It'll turn out ship from killing a frigate in a singe pass to perhaps crippling a light cruiser in a single pass.
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[X] Aft Torpedo (Cost 73 -> 75.25) [Second Tranche: 67 -> 69.25]
Perhaps I should have prefaced it with "At this moment", I guess. Meh. Anyway, an extra 125 Cost over lifetime of production is going to be a hard sell to Starfleet imo even though I'm leaning that way myself.
36 rear alpha. Or about 40% of our forward alpha if I'm calculating things correctly (if not, then 66.66%), verses having a measly 20% with just the phaser or torpedo (or 33.33%)
Our primary forward weapons are said to be expected to rip the shield off and do significant damage to basically any other ship out there.
I do admit that being able to fire backwards an additional 38 damage into a shieldless ship that is already significantly damaged will likely ensure a mission kill at the minimum when the ship otherwise may be able to escape with mostly shield damage.
The question is if we think the extra 18 damage in that backshot is expected to be decisive or if merely an 18 damage hit to an unshielded damaged cruiser is enough to knock it out of combat.
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I don't think using the costs "as of this moment" is a good representation of the end result given the fact that Shields are also going to be pretty expensive and we certainly aren't building a ship is going to be shieldless.
As I pointed out earlier, an extra Phaser and extra Torpedo is a pretty decent firepower increase and just saving 2 ships that would otherwise be lost would more than pay for those systems across a 20 hull stretch.
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[X] Aft Phaser, Aft Torpedo (Cost 73 -> 79.25) [Second Tranche: 67 -> 73.25]
[X] Aft Torpedo (Cost 73 -> 75.25) [Second Tranche: 67 -> 69.25]
[X] No Aft Armament (Cost 73) [Second Tranche: 67]
[X] No Aft Armament (Cost 73) [Second Tranche: 67]
I'd say the implication on this is that if we went for the 3 (or a hypothetical 4) salvo with the torpedoes we'd only be able to collapse the shields on an enemy frigate (assuming they've not gone all out on shields).
"Forget redlining the shields of any unfortunate frigate in her sights, they'll probably have holes in the hull."
That's with 90 damage provided by the 1x rapid and 2x regular launchers. I doubt the ability of us to down a light cruiser's shields in one pass with this in mind, so the ability to dump an additional 36 damage is, imo, key to actually downing them (or severely depleting the shields of anything heavier enough to let our other units finish it off in good order).
[x] Aft Phaser, Aft Torpedo (Cost 73 -> 79.25) [Second Tranche: 67 -> 73.25]
What do you do when your guns are slightly weaker than canon? Use more gun.
What do you do when your guns are slightly weaker than canon? Use more gun.
Goldenlima
Statistical Anomaly
[X] Aft Torpedo (Cost 73 -> 75.25) [Second Tranche: 67 -> 69.25]
Not to mention, being able to make up for the tactical weakness of our other ships in fleet combat.
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- Most likely California
[X] Aft Torpedo (Cost 73 -> 75.25) [Second Tranche: 67 -> 69.25]
[X] Aft Phaser (Cost 73 -> 77) [Second Trance: 67 -> 71]
I want one aft weapon in case of flyby follow-up or the rare chase scene, but only one. Any more would be extraneous.
[X] Aft Phaser (Cost 73 -> 77) [Second Trance: 67 -> 71]
I want one aft weapon in case of flyby follow-up or the rare chase scene, but only one. Any more would be extraneous.
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I honestly feel like they are best used in concert.
Having either is obviously a big bonus, but the difference between a tactic providing a 16% bonus (justifiable, will give you an edge) and 33% bonus (significant overall boost, almost akin to next generation weapon damage) is pretty noticable.
Having either is obviously a big bonus, but the difference between a tactic providing a 16% bonus (justifiable, will give you an edge) and 33% bonus (significant overall boost, almost akin to next generation weapon damage) is pretty noticable.
Sarpedon
Knight Errant
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If a single phaser shot or torpedo after the initial strike is going to kill the target, then just, keep them under the main guns and kill them, don't waste money on a single rear weapons emplacement.