Si Deus Nobiscum: A Polish-Lithuanian Scion Quest

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I think rolman has been a very good boy this year and deserves a special treat of getting to flex his knowledge of the classics
Let him pick!
 
But also, I think it would be very funny to have Stanislaw and the Sejm hype themselves up past mere myths of Roman princes leading Sarmatian horsemasters to the ultimate trump card of being the ancient quasi-elective kingdom of Israel reborn, and have our Stan duck and weave around the actual end of David's and Solomon's rule in using them as Biblical metaphor. And if Mattheus is David, that makes him an underdog, and who doesn't love an underdog?
 

Scheduled vote count started by Rolman on Sep 10, 2024 at 3:46 PM, finished with 22 posts and 15 votes.
  • [X] With a story of the Romans (Rolman picks).
    [X] Write-In: Choose from the stories of Saul and David in the Good Book, highlighting how God and Israel chose the obscure youth to become favored over seasoned Saul and anointed king instead of the sons of Saul, the vitality and bravery of youth making the sling deadlier than the sword, and the passion and artfulness of youth making the sweet murmur of the harp louder than the war drum. And how ultimately, God did not let prosper the attempted tyranny of once-worthy Saul nor any of David, but only that which was needed for the kingdom of Israel and that which made it a covenant between the tribes and a golden age of God's love and holy purpose.
    [X] Write-In: Choose from the stories of Saul and David in the Good Book, highlighting how God and Israel chose the obscure youth to become favored over seasoned Saul and anointed king instead of the sons of Saul, the vitality and bravery youth making the sling deadlier than the sword, and the passion and artfulness of youth making the sweet murmur of the harp louder than the war drum. And how ultimately, God did not let prosper the attempted tyranny of once-worthy Saul nor any of David, but only that which was needed for the kingdom of Israel and that which made it a covenant between the tribes and a golden age of God's love and holy purpose.
    [X] With a story from the Book (Rolman picks).
    [x] [] With a story from the Book (Rolman picks).
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XXXVII-II. November 7, 1575. Warszawa, Polish Crownlands.
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    • "Nec enim musculis, celeritate, nec arte corporis res grandes conficiuntur, sed consilio, gravitate, et iudicio," you enunciate like a churchman. "So said the great Cato regarding the worth of men." You smirk; a part of you loves the enrapturement of the audience, the rush of a thousand ears listening – you're like a thespian. That's all this is. "And, furthermore, did Aeneas not say unto Achates: quae regio in terris nostri non plena laboris?"

    Pause, you think, pause for effect. People seem perplexed. Good. "Laboris… laboris…" you muse aloud, theatrically. "People have taken that word in more than one way. 'Calamities,' 'trials,' 'struggles,' for Troy was laid low, of course, and Pius knew that all the world knew of this tragedy. A grim thing to say. But what if we interpret laboris by its most simple translation? 'Works,' 'labors.'"

    "Then," you say, "Aeneas was speaking proudly: 'which place on this earth is not full of our work?' Full, that is to say, filled with a knowledge, an understanding, a looking-to: Mater Polonia et Soror Lithuania stand above, beyond, and beside all other lands upon this earth, Christian and Mohammatan, Indian and Antarctic, higher still than that empire of far Cathay. For what is it that we have that they have not?" You extend your arms and bow your head: speak to me, brothers.

    Freedom!     they scream, unified for but a moment.

    "We stand now as Aeneas did before untamed Italia – not with malice or conquest in our hearts, for we never desire to dominate our fellow man, only take what is ours – no, we stand instead as colonists, as settlers, reaching out into a world that desires not our liberty, nor holds respect for our Nobles' Republic!" you cry.

    "This is a young liberty; we all know this. Young as a child, not even ten years of age. And we now find ourselves beset by the Eastern tyrants: by the so-called Caesar, Antichrist of Moskwa, and by the heathen hordes of Tartary!"

    You clear your throat.

    [] Speak of vanquishing these foes in battle – with Habsburg help.

    [] Speak of vanquishing these foes in battle – through the strength of the Twin Nations alone.

    [] Speak of the battle in which you lost your leg.

    [] Ask them: who do they truly expect to see the homeland guarded?

    [] Ask them: who do they truly expect to see the Golden Liberty protected?

    [] Continue with Roman analogies. (circle back to the opening Cato quote)

    [] Continue with Roman analogies. (write-in)

    [] Shift to a Biblical tale. (Rolman picks)

    [] Shift to a Biblical tale (write-in)

    [] write-in.

    This is hardly the end of the speech, bear in mind. Consider each of these choices as a buildup, rather than a 'body paragraph,' so to speak.
     
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    • Will close voting tomorrow or whenever a dominant lead of some kind appears -- whichever comes sooner! I wanna keep the pace fast in light of the brevity of this upcoming stuff
     
    [X] Continue with Roman Analogies
    -[X] Speak on the Battle of the Campus Mauriacus, making comparisons to the battle you yourself won against Steppe barbarians. Remind your fellows that Germans, under Theodoricus, stood alongside (and under the command of) Romans against an eastern Anti-Christ, and together prevailed in saving civilisation
    -[X] Use this to move your speech towards speaking of Gaul, of how it was weak and needed to be defended, and take shots at the absentee 'gallic' king and those who gave him the throne and now seek to enthrone another so arrogantly.
     
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    [X] Continue with Roman Analogies
    -[X] Speak on the Battle of the Campus Mauriacus, making comparisons to the battle you yourself won against Steppe barbarians. Remind your fellows that Germans, under Theodoricus, stood alongside (and under the command of) Romans against an eastern Anti-Christ, and together prevailed in saving civilisation
    -[X] Use this to move your speech towards speaking of Gaul, of how it was weak and needed to be defended, and take shots at the absentee 'gallic' king and those who gave him the throne and now seek to enthrone another so arrogantly.
     
    [X] Continue with Roman Analogies
    -[X] Speak on the Battle of the Campus Mauriacus, making comparisons to the battle you yourself won against Steppe barbarians. Remind your fellows that Germans, under Theodoricus, stood alongside (and under the command of) Romans against an eastern Anti-Christ, and together prevailed in saving civilisation
    -[X] Use this to move your speech towards speaking of Gaul, of how it was weak and needed to be defended, and take shots at the absentee 'gallic' king and those who gave him the throne and now seek to enthrone another so arrogantly.
     
    I'm trying to invoke the Ciceronian rhetorical style of forceful, emotive language that shows near encyclopaedic knowledge of history and events while proving a thesis (in this case, France and those who supported it sucks, Stanislaw is awesome, the Germans can be trusted)

    However, while I hopefully have achieved this, I will admit there is a certain…arrogance in comparing Zawadowka to Catalaunian Plan.
     
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    Is now really the time to bring up Henri? He's gone and now we need to focus on winning over people to our Habsburg candidate, not taking shots at someone who's already been gone for awhile now. Unless we mean to smear the Zamoyski/Bathory camp by making comparisons and alluding to Bathory possibly running away.
     
    Noroboro said:
    Is now really the time to bring up Henri? He's gone and now we need to focus on winning over people to our Habsburg candidate, not taking shots at someone who's already been gone for awhile now. Unless we mean to smear the Zamoyski/Bathory camp by making comparisons and alluding to Bathory possibly running away.
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    The intent is indeed to remind the electors what happened the last time they listened to Zamoyski in regards to who should rule Poland yes.

    To put it as simply as possible the speech says:
    "Hey guys, we (and especially I) are a bunch of badasses and the inheritors of Rome. The romans worked with Germanic tribes all the time and subordinated them, we can do the same with this Austrian candidate for real! And beat up those bastard Russians in the east.

    Also, the French suck and are a bunch of weak cowards. You remember when Zamoyski got one elected? How pathetic are the French and anyone who supports them right?"
     
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    [X] Continue with Roman Analogies
    -[X] Speak on the Battle of the Campus Mauriacus, making comparisons to the battle you yourself won against Steppe barbarians. Remind your fellows that Germans, under Theodoricus, stood alongside (and under the command of) Romans against an eastern Anti-Christ, and together prevailed in saving civilisation
    -[X] Use this to move your speech towards speaking of Gaul, of how it was weak and needed to be defended, and take shots at the absentee 'gallic' king and those who gave him the throne and now seek to enthrone another so arrogantly.

    Sure, why not.
     
    [X] Continue with Roman Analogies
    -[X] Speak on the Battle of the Campus Mauriacus, making comparisons to the battle you yourself won against Steppe barbarians. Remind your fellows that Germans, under Theodoricus, stood alongside (and under the command of) Romans against an eastern Anti-Christ, and together prevailed in saving civilisation
    -[X] Use this to move your speech towards speaking of Gaul, of how it was weak and needed to be defended, and take shots at the absentee 'gallic' king and those who gave him the throne and now seek to enthrone another so arrogantly.
     
    [X] Continue with Roman Analogies
    -[X] Speak on the Battle of the Campus Mauriacus, making comparisons to the battle you yourself won against Steppe barbarians. Remind your fellows that Germans, under Theodoricus, stood alongside (and under the command of) Romans against an eastern Anti-Christ, and together prevailed in saving civilisation
    -[X] Use this to move your speech towards speaking of Gaul, of how it was weak and needed to be defended, and take shots at the absentee 'gallic' king and those who gave him the throne and now seek to enthrone another so arrogantly




    I just hate the king of France
    That's my main political position
     
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