Si Deus Nobiscum: A Polish-Lithuanian Scion Quest

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Hoppylo said:
Pretty recent Saint that one. Was very surprised he was canonized only a few decades before this.
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Having powerful relatives doing heavy lobbying for your cause does that. Like a couple of years after his death they were already foing the preliminary work for his beatification
 
Sertorius said:
Michael is Michał, not Mikołaj (Nicholas).

Overall great to see the Quest alive and kicking. :)
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Wait a minute. That means that the saint who would honor our father is none other than Santa Claus himself.

Y'all.

Vote for Santa and we can be the Gift-Giving Hussar. And honor our dad, too, which is very important. Our dad has been good to us, even if he was distant, and I think it is proper to honor him thus.

[X] Saint Nicholas (Santa Claus)
[X] The Virgin Mary
[X] In the compound of a university friend.
 
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[X] Saint Nicholas (Santa Claus)
[X] The Virgin Mary
[X] In the compound of a university friend.
 
[X] Saint Nicholas (Santa Claus)
[X] The Virgin Mary
[X] In the compound of a university friend.

Fun fact: the marriage of the Huguenot King of Navarre Henry III de Bourbon and Margaret de Valois (the infamous Queen Margot) was not a just a simple conciliatory step (or a honey trap). During the massacre his was forced to convert to Catholicism to survive (which he later abjured), but it's more than that.

Henry was by birth the First Prince of the Blood, a title reserved for the most senior descendant of a French monarch outside the immediate royal family. Currently, he is third in line to the French throne (after King Charles' two younger brothers). Since they all died without issue, the Valois senior branch became extinct in the male line and the Bourbons of the Vendome junior line (their senior line ended with the treason and death of the infamous Constable of France Charles III some fifty years earlier), a cadet branch of House Valois received the crown. Of course since Henry was a Huguenot, the Guise-lead Catholic League would not accept him and the wars raged on. Finally, to end the bloodshed the King agreed to convert ("Paris is well worth a mass"), but always supported his former co-religionists.
 
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In light of good turnout and the current unanimity of staying in a friend's compound, I'll give everybody time to debate a patron saint but voting will close 36 hours from now.
 
Sertorius said:
With him the term Russia is historically coming into use.
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Attention - Moskal in the building!

In fact, the word Russia in East Slavic sources has been known at least since the 13th century. Already under Ivan the Third, the name appears in the "Lord of All Russia". Ivan the Terrible was married as "Tsar of All Great Russia". Actually the terms Rus and Russia were considered synonymous. What Peter the Great did was to standardize it - because in the documents of that time the words "Rusiya, Rosiya, and Rossiya" are found as mutually exclusive.
 
Comrade Future said:
Attention - Moskal in the building!

In fact, the word Russia in East Slavic sources has been known at least since the 13th century. Already under Ivan the Third, the name appears in the "Lord of All Russia". Ivan the Terrible was married as "Tsar of All Great Russia". Actually the terms Rus and Russia were considered synonymous. What Peter the Great did was to standardize it - because in the documents of that time the words "Rusiya, Rosiya, and Rossiya" are found as mutually exclusive.
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To be more precise, the title ended with "All of Rus", yet I can understand they are treated as synonymous in Russia. Rus was also composed of lands that were not part of contemporary Muscovy and later Russia.

As for the term Russia, sure, I can understand that. Peter's time is treated as the turning point in the history of the country and thus the term Muscovy is used in historiography to name the place until the end of the XVII century and Russia starts to be used later on. Others use the year 1721, when he adopted the Imperial title. It's more of a symbolic change, like with the age-old dilemma of when do the Middle Ages begin or when the Eastern Roman Empire should start to be called the Byzantine Empire.
 
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Sertorius said:
understand they are treated as synonymous in Russia
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In the modern historiography of my country, these names are considered different - Rus is understood as the original state of the Eastern Slavs, while Russia begins from the time of Ivan the Third. That is, of course, there are those who understand "Rus-Russia" as a single continuity, but this is already part of the nationalist rhetoric.
 
The saint vote is tied. Just throwing it out there for those that aren't aware or might still want to vote. I remember the last vote was also tied for quite some time lol.
 
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