Shield Hero, but hopefully Heroic

If we find a civil end to the war now, we can mostly avoid the civilian casaulties that made me not want to rebel in the first place. We might not be able to achieve all of our goals, but we can get a foothold that we can use to expand from there.

Plus, we have a religious philosophy now - one spreading actually decent values. If we succeed in spreading it, we have a second plane on which we can wage war.

Problem with that is that Queen probably won't be able to reverse most of the reforms, especially regarding our new philosophy since it comes in clash with both church of three hero's and four hero's and if she accepts it she will exchange one revolution for another.

The same goes for nobility, she won't really be able to remove them from power without rebellion and in our case if we don't get much from negotiations we might find our credibility destroyed completely leaving us without allies in country full of nobles that by now probably hate us.

Worst case scenario being revolution continuing without us.

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[X] An invitation to a peace summit headed by Queen Mirellia Q. Melromarc. You think there might be a peaceful solution yet. (Peace?)

On second hand this might be most useful option of all actually, with end of the world nearing last thing we need is ongoing civil war, so it is quite possible to negotiate ceasefire until crisis is resolved, with promise of reforms from the queen and us having time to build up and quite possibly have our base of operation located in lands we conquered.
 
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you were uncomfortable with a whole ideology being created around you...
There goes my dream of ruling with a cult of personality...
Make it illegal to abuse the disabled, mentally or physically!
What about metaphorically? Spiritually? Theoretically?
You'll make examples of those who think they can resist the future.
Ah, good. I was worried we'd fall into the trappings of peaceful decadence!

[X] An invitation to a peace summit headed by Queen Mirellia Q. Melromarc. You think there might be a peaceful solution yet. (Peace?)

Well a summit just confirms our authority as a player in this land! They will know our power yet!
 
[X] Reports of a small army of refugees and volunteers from across the country. You will need to house the former, and arm the latter. (Civil War Arc continues).

Ordinarily, I'd be interested in ending the civil war now, as well. However, I have an interest in seeing this conflict continue...

Does anyone know when the next Wave'll hit?
 
[X] Reports of a small army of refugees and volunteers from across the country. You will need to house the former, and arm the latter. (Civil War Arc continues).

I'm a bit intrigued as to how far we can go with this.
 
[X] Reports of a small army of refugees and volunteers from across the country. You will need to house the former, and arm the latter. (Civil War Arc continues).
 
[X] An invitation to a peace summit headed by Queen Mirellia Q. Melromarc. You think there might be a peaceful solution yet. (Peace?)

Going by the anime, she's actually pretty reasonable. Mean, she adores Melty, doesn't let her love for her husband stop her, and isn't at all fooled by Malty's shameless evilness.
 
Going by the anime, she's actually pretty reasonable. Mean, she adores Melty, doesn't let her love for her husband stop her, and isn't at all fooled by Malty's shameless evilness.

Eh, she was also willing to throw Malty to the King of Faubley. I don't care what sort of jackass she is (and Malty being shamelessly evil is just buying into the original Shield Hero's misogyny anyway), letting your daughter get raped and tortured to death as part of- what, a political ploy? That's just wrong.

Although the Queen may be sympathetic to demihumans, it seems more likely to me that she doesn't care on way or the other, and is just doing the whole "demihuman rights" thing to keep another war with Siltvelt from happening. I doubt the Queen will be sympathetic to Yukihime's goals of utterly crushing slavery and inequality.
 
[X] An invitation to a peace summit headed by Queen Mirellia Q. Melromarc. You think there might be a peaceful solution yet. (Peace?)

Let's go meet the Queen! The only question I have is whether we're meeting the queen from the anime or the queen from the manga/LN. I only say this because while one is very skilled at their job, the other is just...wow, now that's how to R U L E a kingdom.
 
Eh, she was also willing to throw Malty to the King of Faubley. I don't care what sort of jackass she is (and Malty being shamelessly evil is just buying into the original Shield Hero's misogyny anyway), letting your daughter get raped and tortured to death as part of- what, a political ploy? That's just wrong.

Although the Queen may be sympathetic to demihumans, it seems more likely to me that she doesn't care on way or the other, and is just doing the whole "demihuman rights" thing to keep another war with Siltvelt from happening. I doubt the Queen will be sympathetic to Yukihime's goals of utterly crushing slavery and inequality.

Mean yeah, that's a rather extreme outcome, "not even my worst enemy" levels of bad outcome. Though Malty really is shamelessly evil, trying to murder her own sister right in front of the 4 Heroes and even after getting spared from death still tries to kill Naofumi. Really, there's no redeeming her.

Regarding the Queen... The anime version is the only one I'm familiar with. Admittedly, Naofumi being the Shield Hero does incentive her to smooth things over and play nice. After all, the 4 Heroes need to work together, and having to summon new ones means starting from scratch.

Still, she's clearly not sociopathic, with her being glad Naofumi interrupted Aultcray's & Malty's execution (even though she did go with the demeaning new names). Very least, she doesn't care about maintaining slavery and inequality, seeing as she doesn't mind Melty's own desires to end it.
Adhoc vote count started by Kkutlord on Jun 28, 2019 at 10:50 AM, finished with 16 posts and 10 votes.

  • [X] An invitation to a peace summit headed by Queen Mirellia Q. Melromarc. You think there might be a peaceful solution yet. (Peace?)
    [X] Reports of a small army of refugees and volunteers from across the country. You will need to house the former, and arm the latter. (Civil War Arc continues).
    [X] And then reignited anew due to a Marriage proposal to King Ulrich Faubley You... You fat slug! Let's see how smug you are when I choke you to death with your own entrails! (International Revolution)
 
So, its too late for retrospection but as soon as I posted that I got really sick. So the writing quality is very suspect. Sorry if it breaks perspective or characterization... I'm also not sure I like how the whole law establishment thing went down....

As for the quest's existence... I think despite the horrible shit like my dog dying ontop of the stressful nonsense that is retooling and fixing everything in Shield Hero that I will at least maintain the quest and keep updating instead of shutting it down.

As long as people are interested in the story I'll try to keep updating.
 
Hrrm...Torn between potentially getting to tear out Fat Slug's throat and going to Mirellia and settling things before Melromarc gets wrecked.
The reason I hesitate is IDK how good a fighter Slug is (losing that fight would be bad!), or if we're going to get to basically decapitate his nation and start on getting Fabulay to being helpful and useful instead of an extension of his awfulness.
We could also continue the civil war, and see how things roll from there.
 
I should mention that the red option is expanding the civil war arc into Faubley not a decapitation strike.

Also Tact functionality doesn't exist because I don't keep up with the light novel and the twist is stupid and dumb.
 
[X] And then reignited anew due to a Marriage proposal to King Ulrich Faubley You... You fat slug! Let's see how smug you are when I choke you to death with your own entrails! (International Revolution)
 
Hmm... We really shouldn't have any real problem meeting with the Queen, but admittedly Yukihime's situation is much different from Naofumi. Less time has passed than it did for Naofumi, and we had even less reason to rebel- since Yukihime avoided Aultcray's ire and never even spoke with Malty.

Plus, Naofumi generally cleaned up after the other Heroes and peacefully made a name for himself. Yukihime didn't really do much before "Sudden Revolution", so we don't really have much to work with.

Mainly we dealt with a legitimately abusive authority figure, are on good ties with Ikutsuki, and shouldn't be too poorly received by Motoyasu and Ren. That and being the Shield Hero, so the Queen would want to work with us at least for pragmatic reasons.
 
[X] Reports of a small army of refugees and volunteers from across the country. You will need to house the former, and arm the latter. (Civil War Arc continues).
 
[X] Reports of a small army of refugees and volunteers from across the country. You will need to house the former, and arm the latter. (Civil War Arc continues).
 
[X] Reports of a small army of refugees and volunteers from across the country. You will need to house the former, and arm the latter. (Civil War Arc continues).
 
[X] An invitation to a peace summit headed by Queen Mirellia Q. Melromarc. You think there might be a peaceful solution yet. (Peace?)
 
[X] Reports of a small army of refugees and volunteers from across the country. You will need to house the former, and arm the latter. (Civil War Arc continues).

Changing my vote to this.
 
So... why do people want to continue the war? Our first outing got a lot of our own people killed, and we actually could work alongside the Queen. Mean, she's the legitimate ruler of Melomarc, if we convince her to help we could get a lot of those nobles & their forces peacefully removed.
 
So... why do people want to continue the war? Our first outing got a lot of our own people killed, and we actually could work alongside the Queen. Mean, she's the legitimate ruler of Melomarc, if we convince her to help we could get a lot of those nobles & their forces peacefully removed.
I heard the blood of peasants is good for the soil. I think some tyrant said it, not sure.
 
Sentient Monsters vs Demihuman. Why they're distinct and not the same
I'm going to be expanding on the lore of the world here, to accommodate things that are given like, front row seats in canon but never really 'explained'.

The first thing you must understand about Shield Hero is that the Gods are real. This changes things. A lot of things. This means that I, need to explain the difference between sentient monsters and demihumans (and sort of why the distinction is sorta fucked).

Let me reiterate this: Creation Myths are real, at least most of them. For example: A great dragon birthed your race and rose you from the very dust of the land? Yeah that happened and you can prove it happened. This means that humanity was in fact created various times by deities in this realm. Humans were spun from clay, birthed by titans, created from the remains of dead gods, whatever. Along with other sentient beings that litter the land such as the Filolial, and many of the more sentient monster types... Humans were just lucky that they had more numbers and figured out tools and magic faster than most other races.

We're not going to go into how Gods being real in this setting fucks with me right now.

For example, a lot of the monster races (and when I say monster races, these are distinct from Demihumans who are 'merely' humans with supernatural ancestors, as 'sentient monsters' are entirely supernatural existences) came with their own massive draw backs. For example the Filolial can't achieve humanoid form until they gain enough 'strength' to manifest it... Even then, they rely on empathy and body language to communicate which isn't something many people are accurately able to communicate back with.

Now you might be asking 'what's the difference between Monsters, and Demihumans beyond their supernatural existence'. Because they aren't human. This is an important distinction, we all know how humans reproduce, how they think, what we are... Now take a Filolial, who is a 'Sentient Monster' who can in 'maturity' manifest themselves into a humanlike form... They don't think like humans, they don't act like humans and they don't communicate like humans. They stay Filolial even in human form. Sure you could teach a Filolial human language, human culture and what have you, but at the end of the day that's nurture vs nature. Their biology and base thought process will always remain similar to a avian then a human even if you could get them to fake it well enough to act human.

Filolial are fucked up in the fact that people enslave them to run carts. Fucking carts. The regular human doesn't have a clue that they could turn into something humanlike or have sentient thoughts, because to them it's just another farm animal. So many Filolial simply don't gain enough strength to be anything more than beasts of burden. This is the largest difference and gap between a Human and a Filolial, the human can communicate early on in its life, while a Filolial cannot do much more expression than the common dog, so are treated with around the same intelligence.

Compare this with say, a dragon. Dragons likely have the ability to transform themselves into a humanlike form, but simply don't. They are obsessive creatures that love not 'wealth' but [Wealth], things that have 'value' rather than 'valuable looking things'. They can communicate with other beings easily but mostly don't... Because it's so much easier to swat the equivalent to a fly and take their shit instead of asking. Whether that be a person, the nation's treasury, a painting of incredible wealth, whatever. Naturally, by being such a hostile existence they were mostly hunted into near extinction but being quasi-immortal you can occasionally see remnants of dragons every once in a while.

You get the point, Sentient Monsters are nonhuman sentient biological intelligence.

AN:

So where are the Middle Easterners and Black people, Shield Hero :thonk:? They never bring it up, despite the fact that Shield Hero is basically a medieval Europe inspired powder keg where the equivalent of the Thirty Years War looks about to come into play. There is no Al Andalus despite a lot of the Spanish themes, and there is no Africa in canon geography. It's strange I bring it up because a lot of the LN and manga that came out around the time Shield Hero was at least included a token middle eastern nation, hell Vanadis even had one. I'm going to assume it's because like a lot of fantasy that doesn't really give a shit about geography and world building outside of 'SMASH MONSTA FACE, KISS GRILL!' but still mindlessly rips off Europe and Japan in token effort.

Big fucking meme that we have dragon lore and their mating cycles but we don't have any brown people. So, I get to make up where they are, instead of you know brushing it aside and saying 'shhhh, don't think about it'.
 
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