Teaching him shadow clone, especially if he STILL fails to graduate is much, much funnier. Because you know what'll happen then? Naruto will learn another kinjutsu. Like, for hilarity, Edo Tensei. And, who knows, maybe he has some Uchiha hair on him from hanging out with us. And since you can use Zetsus as sacrifices, who knows, maybe you can use shadow clones too. Wouldn't that be just a kick in the balls of canon? Or, really, any other kinjutsu.
Seeing Red [Naruto]
- Thread starter Tekomandor
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Lone Courier 6
Devilish Fool
- Location
- United States of Quests
[x] - Fuinjutsu:
-[x] - Reverse-engineering the controllable, detonable shuriken.
[x] - Ninjutsu
-[x] - Learn the Shadow Clone jutsu, then teach it to Naruto.
-[x] - Pay for a mission to retrieve a summoning scroll from an Uchiha weapons depot and sign it. The others will be retrieved but not signed.
--[x] - Crow
[x] - Genjutsu
-[x] - Learn more Sharingan Genjutsu
[x] - Kenjutsu
-[x] - Learn techniques intended to counter ninja from a former Samurai.
-[x] - Try to integrate your Wind Release with your kenjutsu
Let's not teach Shadow Clone Jutsu to Naruto, he'll get it evantually ANYWAY and take out a Traitor.
-[x] - Reverse-engineering the controllable, detonable shuriken.
[x] - Ninjutsu
-[x] - Learn the Shadow Clone jutsu, then teach it to Naruto.
-[x] - Pay for a mission to retrieve a summoning scroll from an Uchiha weapons depot and sign it. The others will be retrieved but not signed.
--[x] - Crow
[x] - Genjutsu
-[x] - Learn more Sharingan Genjutsu
[x] - Kenjutsu
-[x] - Learn techniques intended to counter ninja from a former Samurai.
-[x] - Try to integrate your Wind Release with your kenjutsu
Let's not teach Shadow Clone Jutsu to Naruto, he'll get it evantually ANYWAY and take out a Traitor.
[X]PLAN EXPLOSIVE NINJUTSU
So unless you know what to look for I think it is reasonable to conclude that you aren't going to notice anything unusual about the location, still Danzo* will have already gone through the place, but unless Orochimaru has a Sharingan to access the clan records how would he even where to look?
*Danzo will not risk moving anything he doesn't have a immediate need to use, because to his knowledge the only Shinobi with Sharingans are those loyal to Konoha, therefore the location is safe by how the Uchiha secure their records.
The fact that it is still used long after the founding of Konoha despite of how far it is from the village implies that it was the traditional storage place for such things in the warring era, which means it was designed with the presumption that at some point an enemy clan would set up camp on the spot.
So unless you know what to look for I think it is reasonable to conclude that you aren't going to notice anything unusual about the location, still Danzo* will have already gone through the place, but unless Orochimaru has a Sharingan to access the clan records how would he even where to look?
*Danzo will not risk moving anything he doesn't have a immediate need to use, because to his knowledge the only Shinobi with Sharingans are those loyal to Konoha, therefore the location is safe by how the Uchiha secure their records.
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While that would be hilarious, it's pretty unlikely.
I mean, we know tree-walking and water-walking. If we haven't made sure Naruto has passable chakra control, and thus that he can do the bunshin, then we've been wasting our training sessions with him and Sasuke.
I'm pretty sure he's going to pass.
Lone Courier 6
Devilish Fool
- Location
- United States of Quests
Ask him to create a bunshin then?
What intelligence would Sasuke and MC have that wasn't in any of the written documents of the clan (which Danzo would have totally gone tnrough)? Sasuke might have known something, even if that's a bit unkikely due to Itachi being there and Sasuke being very young, but MC would have known nothing unique.
- Location
- Canada
[x] Plan Quadratic Sword Wizard
This is likely the last chance to learn from the Samurai
This is likely the last chance to learn from the Samurai
- Location
- Sweden
[x] - Fuinjutsu:
-[x] - Reverse-engineering the controllable, detonable shuriken.
[x] - Pay for a mission to retrieve a summoning scroll from an Uchiha weapons depot and sign it. The others will be retrieved but not signed.
-[x] - Raven
[x] - Genjutsu
-[x] - Learn more Sharingan Genjutsu
[x] - Kenjutsu
-[x] - Learn techniques intended to counter ninja from a former Samurai.
-[x] - Try to integrate your Wind Release with your kenjutsu
[x] - Iryojutsu
-[x] - Learn the Chakra Scalpel
-[x] - Reverse-engineering the controllable, detonable shuriken.
[x] - Pay for a mission to retrieve a summoning scroll from an Uchiha weapons depot and sign it. The others will be retrieved but not signed.
-[x] - Raven
[x] - Genjutsu
-[x] - Learn more Sharingan Genjutsu
[x] - Kenjutsu
-[x] - Learn techniques intended to counter ninja from a former Samurai.
-[x] - Try to integrate your Wind Release with your kenjutsu
[x] - Iryojutsu
-[x] - Learn the Chakra Scalpel
Tobirama, who invented the Hiraishin(supposedly) wasn't a Toad Summoner, or any sort of summoner.
And Uzumaki Mito, who created the first seal that bound the Kyuubi, wasn't one either.
Suna captured their bijuu and created their jinchuuriki without Konoha help.
Should I go on?
Portal to given physical area =/= global teleportation.
For one thing, we KNOW that using seals for communication is at least theoretically possible, given how Sasuke and Suigetsu used the summoning scroll to reverse summon Sasuke after his fight with Deidara.
For another, summon animals are chakra users.
Humans are able to go from Konoha to Suna in three days and arrive in fighting condition.
Why you suppose messengers would have more trouble is beyond me.
For a third, we know artifacts for scrying distant areas exist.
The Great Toad Sage has one. Sarutobi Hiruzen had another.
With all due respect? Balderdash.
It's a SECRET Uchiha stash. That's the whole reason why it's outside Konoha, instead of inside the clan vault behind Konoha walls.
They have to first find the damn thing, and no one breached the Uchiha vaults inside our compound since the massacre.
The only person who could have read it would have been Danzo himself, and he doesn't flash his Sharingan around for obvious reasons.
Uchiha security measures are the match of anything we've seen in the series.
Itachi, working alone and in secret, set an Amaterasu activation seal on Sasuke that had a conditional trigger that went off at the sight of another Sharingan, putting Tobi on fire.
If you think the entire Uchiha clan, working together, do not have security measures at least the match of that on their backup arms depots, I have a bridge to sell you.
Vindictus
XENO
- Location
- Texas
Okay, so, looking at the character sheet, it appears that additional training actions for a given skill are subject to diminishing returns.
Our last action had us train Ninjutsu, Genjutsu, and Kenjutsu once each; Genjutsu and Kenjutsu each increased by 7, while Genjutsu increased by 10.
Knowing this is the case, but not knowing the point where diminishing returns begins, it becomes hard to predict how precisely the training will affect Hisana.
Worth noting is that Strength went up 5XP, and Speed went up 7. This is somewhat interesting, as we only had one option that was based around physical training (Kenjutsu), so this would imply that the Kenjutsu training gave us the following XP breakdown:
Kenjutsu Training:
We also gained 5 XP in Chakra Capacity, pushing us to 40 there, and 15(?!) XP in Chakra Control. We probably got 5 XP to Chakra Control from each Nin, Gen, and Iryojutsu, and 5XP to Chakra Capacity from Ninjutsu.
We also got a hell of a lot of XPin the subskills, Basic Genjutsu and Sharingan Genjutsu (20 XP each), bringing them up to match our overall Genjutsu rating.
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We've got pretty decent Chakra ratings, actually. Our Chakra Capacity is 40, and our Chakra Control is 45- That is, low-mid Chunin rank in both. Further, Ninjutsu training is likely to give us more points in Chakra Capacity, pushing us up to mid or mid-high Chunin rank.
We have evidence, in the form of Temari's fight with Tayuya, that roughly Chunin-rank ninja can perform the summoning technique adequately. We probably won't be able to summon a taxi, at least not immediately, but we should be perfectly capable of summoning scouts and such even at this point.
Anyway, going to sit out building a plan this time, since we've already got a pretty strong set of bandwagons going and I doubt I'll be able to pull a victory at this point. Might do some fanart or an Omake later, instead- Seems like a more effective way of influencing Hisana's build than trying to gain support for my plans.
Our last action had us train Ninjutsu, Genjutsu, and Kenjutsu once each; Genjutsu and Kenjutsu each increased by 7, while Genjutsu increased by 10.
Knowing this is the case, but not knowing the point where diminishing returns begins, it becomes hard to predict how precisely the training will affect Hisana.
Worth noting is that Strength went up 5XP, and Speed went up 7. This is somewhat interesting, as we only had one option that was based around physical training (Kenjutsu), so this would imply that the Kenjutsu training gave us the following XP breakdown:
Kenjutsu Training:
7 XP - Kenjutsu
7 XP - Kenjutsu Subskill - Leaf Style
7 XP - Speed
5 XP - Strength
7 XP - Kenjutsu Subskill - Leaf Style
7 XP - Speed
5 XP - Strength
We also gained 5 XP in Chakra Capacity, pushing us to 40 there, and 15(?!) XP in Chakra Control. We probably got 5 XP to Chakra Control from each Nin, Gen, and Iryojutsu, and 5XP to Chakra Capacity from Ninjutsu.
We also got a hell of a lot of XPin the subskills, Basic Genjutsu and Sharingan Genjutsu (20 XP each), bringing them up to match our overall Genjutsu rating.
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We've got pretty decent Chakra ratings, actually. Our Chakra Capacity is 40, and our Chakra Control is 45- That is, low-mid Chunin rank in both. Further, Ninjutsu training is likely to give us more points in Chakra Capacity, pushing us up to mid or mid-high Chunin rank.
We have evidence, in the form of Temari's fight with Tayuya, that roughly Chunin-rank ninja can perform the summoning technique adequately. We probably won't be able to summon a taxi, at least not immediately, but we should be perfectly capable of summoning scouts and such even at this point.
Anyway, going to sit out building a plan this time, since we've already got a pretty strong set of bandwagons going and I doubt I'll be able to pull a victory at this point. Might do some fanart or an Omake later, instead- Seems like a more effective way of influencing Hisana's build than trying to gain support for my plans.
Er I noted that Danzo could locate the cache if wished to do so? Still the fact that the cache is secure to his knowledge, and him already being in scalding water with the Hiruzen makes it plausible Danzo hasn't done so.
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Remember that I put 5xp from the fanart in chakra control, so I think it's actually 10 from training?
Vindictus
XENO
- Location
- Texas
Ah, I had forgotten that. In that case, we probably got 5 XP in control from each Genjutsu and Iryojutsu, and 5XP in capacity from Ninjutsu.
That would probably be more balanced between those three.
Of course, I'm also not entirely sure what Control even does... Capacity has obvious effects on how many jutsu we can cast, but unless Control eventually lowers those costs, it's seeming like Capacity is overall superior to Control.
OTOH, physical stats (Strength and Speed) are included in the Taijutsu/Kenjutsu formulae provided in the character sheet, so we can see how they impact the use of given skills, and could plot out what to increase and where for the maximum benefit, if we were to take the time to calculate it out.
Based off the manga, and Kakashi's descriptions of the tree-walking exercise etc., it should affect how easily we learn jutsu, the cost of jutsu, and our ability to maintain and use them under pressure and in combat, as well as some jutsu being impossible to learn without good control.
- Location
- Australia
- Pronouns
- She/Her
I see there's been a little controversy over a few things, so let me lay down some more info. Firstly, the mission you'd be purchasing would be a bodyguard one, because there's absolutely no way Hiruzen would let you out of the walls without at least a Jonin in tow. Of course, if you want to wait and hire your own team to do retrieve the scrolls for the Uchiha clan, then that's possible too. Secondly, each of the summons offers a path to senjutsu. Thirdly, all of the birds have rideable summons and boss summons.
plotvitalnpc
Once more walking the path of the catgirl.
When you say 'a path to senjutsu' do you just mean 'they have sages', or does it include 'they have a way to help you not die learning it'?
- Location
- Australia
- Pronouns
- She/Her
One doesn't really happen without the other.
Also, character sheet should be accurate now. You'll see that your chakra control is reducing jutsu cost and that the Mystical Palm really does need advanced chakra control.
plotvitalnpc
Once more walking the path of the catgirl.
So I guess Ryuuchi Cave wouldn't really count as providing the path to senjutsu, given their approach is 'try to kill you with natural energy, then teach you if you survive'.
- Location
- Massholistan
They just take a more direct path to the whole "prove you can handle it" thing is all
Still gonna wait for a jounin-sensei.
A trustworthy jounin who has the seniority to keep the information to a limited circle, and who can proferr advice prior to our signing anything.
So that's what it does.
Still missing Shunshin on the character sheet
Ryuuchi cave they supposedly inject you with natural energy, and if you turn into a snake, you get et.
Supposedly at Shikkotsu Forest, Katsuyu simply swallows your ass and starts teaching you if you survive the digestive juices.
Who knows who taught Hashirama; dude may well have been self-taught.
- Location
- Usa
Lies!
missing marking down her element.
What are the current plans? I see a lot of votes all over the place currently.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
So... given the stated boons of a summon contract, and the fact that gaining an excellent rapport with the summons is our key to sage mode...
Why isn't the winning plan including it, again?
Here, take this:
[x] Plan Get Summons, WIN FOREVER
I didn't include which summoning contract we should aim for in the plan intentionally. Splitting the "get summons" vote four ways seems like a bad idea to me - we can specify that once we're actually winning.
Why isn't the winning plan including it, again?
Here, take this:
[x] Plan Get Summons, WIN FOREVER
[x] - Fuinjutsu:
-[x] - Try to create a basic chakra storage seal.
[x] - Ninjutsu
-[x] - Learn the Shadow Clone jutsu, then teach it to Naruto.
-[x] - Pay for a mission to retrieve a summoning scroll from an Uchiha weapons depot and sign it. The others will be retrieved but not signed.
[x] - Genjutsu
-[x] - Learn more Sharingan Genjutsu
[x] - Kenjutsu
-[x] - Learn techniques intended to counter ninja from a former Samurai.
-[x] - Try to integrate your Wind Release with your kenjutsu
[x] - Ninjutsu
-[x] - Learn the Shadow Clone jutsu, then teach it to Naruto.
-[x] - Pay for a mission to retrieve a summoning scroll from an Uchiha weapons depot and sign it. The others will be retrieved but not signed.
[x] - Genjutsu
-[x] - Learn more Sharingan Genjutsu
[x] - Kenjutsu
-[x] - Learn techniques intended to counter ninja from a former Samurai.
-[x] - Try to integrate your Wind Release with your kenjutsu
I didn't include which summoning contract we should aim for in the plan intentionally. Splitting the "get summons" vote four ways seems like a bad idea to me - we can specify that once we're actually winning.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Did somebody post a vote tally recently?