Sartier Quest: A Tale of Song, Gods, and Trouble (CK2-Let's Go Hunt Gods, SV!)

Sort of like how Japanese emperors were the embodiments of their gods (I think?)

While I'm not precisely a scholar on the matter I am loosely familiar with the topic. The Japanese Imperial family is/was held to be descended from a major god and therefore themselves divine.

"I-" Blake sat down hard in a chair. He liked Alana well enough, better than most, truth be told. And the opportunity to one day be part of Symphony Capo was not unappealing. But-

Oh, I find this amusing.
 
Your hamstrings twinge and derail your thoughts. A quick massage sets ripples across the still waters. You sigh, and realise you've been soaking for a while. Slipping out of the pool, you dry off and dress yourself. The last article you don is the longsword, tired muscles twinging as its weight settles on your back. With that in place, you are just about to open the exit to rejoin your bodyguards when a gleam catches your eye. Something metal glints where you had been resting in the pool. You press your lips and wonder if you have accidentally worn something valuable to the water and then dropped it. You turn and pad back to the spot, but when you arrive you see no sign of any gleaming metal, only the bevelled emerald-green tiles.

... Hrm. What are the chances we got darted (needled?) and are now (somewhat) hallucinating?

[X] Spectrum

I'm fine with this.
 
While I'm not precisely a scholar on the matter I am loosely familiar with the topic. The Japanese Imperial family is/was held to be descended from a major god and therefore themselves divine.
Hmm, maybe it was the ancient Egyptians I was thinking of?

Oh, I find this amusing.
His surprise at the idea? :rofl:

... Hrm. What are the chances we got darted (needled?) and are now (somewhat) hallucinating
By a super secret spy bath attendant? :ninja: The real question is, would they have been an agent of the Capo or the Sonissimmo? I mean we know Alana's in town. Or is Melody trying to effect something with her master poisoner skills? :ninja: I'm having probably more fun than I should be speculating about things that aren't real but it's too much fun :rofl:
 
[X] "Nothing may ever set my mind at ease, for such a thing would mean that I would have stopped considering the situation. Still, your identity will do for a start, since you have me at a disadvantage."

Yep, this sounds good. And snappy.
 
[X] "Nothing may ever set my mind at ease, for such a thing would mean that I would have stopped considering the situation. Still, your identity will do for a start, since you have me at a disadvantage."
 
Quest - Turn 4 - The Royal Subject - Part 4
The Royal Subject, Part 4

[X] "Nothing may ever set my mind at ease, for such a thing would mean that I would have stopped considering the situation. Still, your identity will do for a start, since you have me at a disadvantage."

"I am Inspiration and Secrets, I am Dreams," the bronzed man says. His voice is an enchanting baritone, rich and warm like a campfire. Everything he says seems to carry a grin and a wink. "I am known by the arrowhead, the key, and the candle." He sits at the table and gestures you to the other side. "I am Orudern."

You freeze halfway through taking your seat. "Are you ... Teuvian?" you ask, a frisson of terror ripping up your spine. The man's mention of your aunt has you staying your hand for now. That and you have an insistent feeling that this man is very powerful.

Orudern laughs at your words. "Teuvian? By your reckoning, maybe, maybe not. I am the string out of tune, the epiphany that lights the way, the bodkin in the quiver of practice shafts." He chuckles to himself and draws his elbows up on the table, grinning at you. "What I am not is your enemy."

"Then what the fuck are you!?" you blurt, tossing your hands up.

"Someone who saw the world as more than a source of worshippers and spoils," replies the man before you with a shrug.

Silence falls over the table as it becomes clear he will explain no further. You grit your teeth and reply, "So how do you know my aunt?"

"Your aunt is a Symphony," is all Orudern says.

It feels like your eyes will bug out of their sockets as you parse his reply. Only five words, but they carry an import that rocks you back in your seat. He meets all the Symphonies? What is this?

As you struggle to come to terms, Orudern coughs into his hand. From the mists forms a map of Sartier, just above the tabletop. The province of Arbalen is picked out in red. "So I have to make a confession. I have been rather content to sleep in my woods of late, and have come only lately to the knowledge that my brothers and sisters have become busy."

"Just hold up," you say, before he can continue. "I think I need a drink. Okay, look, if you're here to tell me there's a revolt going on in Arbalen, you're too late, I already know."

"So I am told," says Orudern with a brief nod. "But this is just the opening gambit. Teuv wants more than Sartier - they want the Sartierans. They wish worse than your death; your servitude."

That sends another bolt of fear along your back. Your fists clench up as you look over the table. "Because our Songweavers and Spellswords defeated them last time?"

"The very reason," says Orudern. "I've been told that you are your House's chief weapon, the one they send when something simply must get done. So I want to pass this warning out to you. Teuv is capable of deals and reason but when it comes to Sartier, your goals cannot be reconciled."

"What is Teuv planning?" you ask.

"Their grand plan? I have only recently woken from my slumber, and am behind the curve, but as I learn more, I will share it," says Orudern. "I can tell you about their operations in Arbalen, though, though I am running out of time; there's only so long that I can keep this link up..."

"This link?"

"I'm not actually here, Evelyn," says Orudern with a broad grin. "In fact, I'm quite far away and actually very comfortable," he replies. "Everything you see is an illusion, a Lucid Dream."

"You say that like it should mean something special to me...," you say hesitantly.

"All of us were made differently, unique," he explains, spreading his hands before you as a dazzling flurry of bright shapes flew between them. "So we all have our own powers. I'm using one to talk with you now."

"So you are a god," you whisper. You clench and unclench your fists. Your eyes flick between his light display and his green-on-green eyes. Somewhere deep inside you get an appreciation for what it meant to even wound a god back during Teuv's invasion. The powerful truth is all around you. "You said you could help?"

"I have knowledge to share about Arbalen that can help you," he says. "I'm not sure what you already know, so ask me, and I'll do my best to answer. Or ask about Teuv in general."

(Pick 3 Questions to Ask)
[ ] ??
 
[k] How much wood can a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
[k] So, can gods get people pregnant? I'm asking for a friend.
[k] So, do you have parents? Or somebody's forehead you sprang from? If so, could we just convince the Gods' parents to ground them forever?
 
[l] What do we need to do to start a Time of Troubles?
[l] If I can kill one of the Teuvian gods, can I become a god?
[l] If a god kills another god, do they become a bigger god?
 
Aaaaaand that's a big damn theological nightmare.
This is some Stargate Ori/Ascended clusterfuck. 'Hey, you know those gods the Teuv worship? Turns out not all of them are with Teuv and want to enslave us!'
Yeah, that's a one-way ticket to a padded cell.
 
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"So I have to make a confession. I have been rather content to sleep in my woods of late, and have come only lately to the knowledge that my brothers and sisters have become busy."
More seriously--oh god put in logging constraints yesterday.

So, real talk: What questions we ask depends on how trusting we are. One question could be burned on an answer we actually already know or can easily verify once given the answer as an accuracy gauge, then ask the others on things we really need to know but would have no idea of determining the truth of.
 
"I am Inspiration and Secrets, I am Dreams," the bronzed man says. His voice is an enchanting baritone, rich and warm like a campfire. Everything he says seems to carry a grin and a wink. "I am known by the arrowhead, the key, and the candle." He sits at the table and gestures you to the other side. "I am Orudern."

Hrm. An interesting purview. So the key with secrets and candle with dreams makes sense. Inspiration as arrowhead is ... different. But not one I dislike! I hadn't thought of it that way before, but it's neat. I like it.

Silence falls over the table as it becomes clear he will explain no further. You grit your teeth and reply, "So how do you know my aunt?"

"Your aunt is a Symphony," is all Orudern says.

It feels like your eyes will bug out of their sockets as you parse his reply. Only five words, but they carry an import that rocks you back in your seat. He meets all the Symphonies? What is this?

@Spectrum - We can just test this, you know. I don't think we need to waste a question on that. Apparently, he's met all the Symphonies (so Hana too?), and he claims to definitely have met Antonia. No doubt she had questions too.

"The very reason," says Orudern. "I've been told that you are your House's chief weapon, the one they send when something simply must get done. So I want to pass this warning out to you. Teuv is capable of deals and reason but when it comes to Sartier, your goals cannot be reconciled."

Funny enough, when I was chatting about this quest with a friend, she asked me why Evelyn didn't just make a deal with Teuv to conquer Sartier (this was back when relations were more rocky and she is apparently more ruthless than I). I was pretty sure at the time that that defeated the purpose and that Teuv and Sartier were incompatible, but it's nice to get this confirmed.

"I'm not actually here, Evelyn," says Orudern with a broad grin. "In fact, I'm quite far away and actually very comfortable," he replies. "Everything you see is an illusion, a Lucid Dream."

Lucid dream, hallucinating. Po-tay-to, po-tah-to. :p

"I have knowledge to share about Arbalen that can help you," he says. "I'm not sure what you already know, so ask me, and I'll do my best to answer. Or ask about Teuv in general."

Hrm. Should we ask about the whole mist thing or what makes Teuvian gods so attractive to soothsingers? I mean, some of it is stuff we can find on her own (just how many gods are there and what are their purviews). Maybe something about the link between gods and followers - can they possess their followers and use them as avatars? Cause that would be ... problematic.

So something like...

1 - Mist - What / why the link?
2 - Soothsingers - Apparently, Teuv's song is loud. Is there any way we can counter this?*
3 - Gods and Followers - Beyond granting powers to followers, can gods do other things WRT this follower link?

Alternatively,

4 - Veronica - What is the point of this revolt (beyond the obvious)?** What kind of support can she expect from Teuv (particularly on the divine side, but any info re: other more tangible support also helpful)?

* This is just a wild, wild random leap. ... But what if the answer to this is related to the Vincennes drum research we never got around to doing?

** This revolt is not sustainable as it is now without external / unknown factors coming into play. If it is just meant to be sacrificial and weaken / distract Sartier, there actually has to be ... some sort of follow up within the time frame where Sartier is weakened.
 
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Spectrum - We can just test this, you know. I don't think we need to waste a question on that. Apparently, he's met all the Symphonies (so Hana too?), and he claims to definitely have met Antonia. No doubt she had questions too.
Not necessarily a safe assumption. There could be something along the lines of sworn to secrecy/maybe even literally can't say that you met him. Maybe it is just knowledge restricted to Symphonies and they'd be fine talking once Evelyn started the conversation but we shouldn't just assume that out of hand.
 
So something like...

1 - Mist - What / why the link?
2 - Soothsingers - Apparently, Teuv's song is loud. Is there any way we can counter this?*
3 - Gods and Followers - Beyond granting powers to followers, can gods do other things WRT this follower link?

Alternatively,

4 - Veronica - What is the point of this revolt (beyond the obvious)?** What kind of support can she expect from Teuv (particularly on the divine side, but any info re: other more tangible support also helpful)?

* This is just a wild, wild random leap. ... But what if the answer to this is related to the Vincennes drum research we never got around to doing?

** This revolt is not sustainable as it is now without external / unknown factors coming into play. If it is just meant to be sacrificial and weaken / distract Sartier, there actually has to be ... some sort of follow up within the time frame where Sartier is weakened.
Some other options:

3a - What powers are gods granting to their followers?
3b - What is having followers doing for the gods?

Other variations or things. Some of this we might already be in the process of learning back from the Teuv research, though, so...? But some we might have had no other avenue for.

5 - Who is the current overall leader of the Teuvian forces in Arbalan entire?

A boring choice for current actionable intel. Not even sure this is valid to ask for, but it's an avenue to think about.

6 - Why specifically has the Arbalen region been so attractive to Teuvian converts?
 
Some other options:

3a - What powers are gods granting to their followers?
3b - What is having followers doing for the gods?

Alternatively, is there any way to block a god from giving powers to his follower (other than just killing the follower). I would imagine that having followers creates a permanent sympathetic link because gods have to expend power to do so with a non-follower.

6 - Why specifically has the Arbalen region been so attractive to Teuvian converts?

Carentan region in general. I think this one is just that because they're superstitious already, they see no difference with following one superstition over another and they don't have the instinctive repulsion that Etelans have for Teuv (and its religion) being the enemy.

[X] Mist - What is the link between mist and Teuvian religion? / What is the benefit of the mist? / Why do the gods like the mist?
[X] Soothsingers - What makes Teuv's song loud and/or attractive to soothsingers? / What can we do to counter or negate Teuv's song for soothsingers?
[X] Arbalen Revolt - What kind of support do the Arbalen revolutionaries receive from Teuv (particularly on the god side, but other, more material help info also helpful)?

Just leaving it vague for Evelyn to ask. I put several questions on some line but I think all of them are just rephrasings of the same general gist of what we want to know.

I'm ok with switching out the soothsinger question for a question on the gods-follower link. I've tried to focus on things that a Teuvian god would know either from his purview or just by what he is (Teuv + god). I'm not sure if he would have insight on soothsingers since that seems a more general Sartier thing, but I guess he might have some info on what makes Teuv gods so loud in their song.
 
[X] Mist - What is the link between mist and Teuvian religion? / What is the benefit of the mist? / Why do the gods like the mist?
[X] Soothsingers - What makes Teuv's song loud and/or attractive to soothsingers? / What can we do to counter or negate Teuv's song for soothsingers?
[X] Arbalen Revolt - What kind of support do the Arbalen revolutionaries receive from Teuv (particularly on the god side, but other, more material help info also helpful)?

I can work with this.
 
[X] Mist - What is the link between mist and Teuvian religion? / What is the benefit of the mist? / Why do the gods like the mist?
[X] Soothsingers - What makes Teuv's song loud and/or attractive to soothsingers? / What can we do to counter or negate Teuv's song for soothsingers?
[X] Arbalen Revolt - What kind of support do the Arbalen revolutionaries receive from Teuv (particularly on the god side, but other, more material help info also helpful)?
 
[X] Mist - What is the link between mist and Teuvian religion? / What is the benefit of the mist? / Why do the gods like the mist?
[X] Soothsingers - What makes Teuv's song loud and/or attractive to soothsingers? / What can we do to counter or negate Teuv's song for soothsingers?
[X] Arbalen Revolt - What kind of support do the Arbalen revolutionaries receive from Teuv (particularly on the god side, but other, more material help info also helpful)?
 
[X] Mist - What is the link between mist and Teuvian religion? / What is the benefit of the mist? / Why do the gods like the mist?
[X] Gods and Followers - Beyond granting powers to followers, can gods do other things WRT this follower link? What powers are gods granting to their followers? What is having followers doing for the gods?
[X] Arbalen Revolt - What kind of support do the Arbalen revolutionaries receive from Teuv (particularly on the god side, but other, more material help info also helpful)?

Swapping Soothsingers. I feel like for now they aren't the area of focus--it's bad that they're susceptible but it's not a key driver of things.
 
10 or so hours to go. Guess I'll give a real crack at it:
I'm ok with switching out the soothsinger question for a question on the gods-follower link. I've tried to focus on things that a Teuvian god would know either from his purview or just by what he is (Teuv + god). I'm not sure if he would have insight on soothsingers since that seems a more general Sartier thing, but I guess he might have some info on what makes Teuv gods so loud in their song.
Reiterating that I think the soothsinger question should be dropped in favor of a more generic Gods and Followers line of inquiry. We're still basically flying pretty blind here and Gods and Followers is core knowledge and still something that should be in this guy's wheelhouse. Soothsingers is interesting but I don't think that Soothsingers are the one central thing to the Teuvian incursion that we need to know about.
 
[X] Mist - What is the link between mist and Teuvian religion? / What is the benefit of the mist? / Why do the gods like the mist?
[X] Soothsingers - What makes Teuv's song loud and/or attractive to soothsingers? / What can we do to counter or negate Teuv's song for soothsingers?
[X] Arbalen Revolt - What kind of support do the Arbalen revolutionaries receive from Teuv (particularly on the god side, but other, more material help info also helpful)?
 
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