Sartier Quest: A Tale of Song, Gods, and Trouble (CK2-Let's Go Hunt Gods, SV!)

Lastly, can I ask how much attention/time "Meet the Symphony Guard!" takes? Is it possible to combine that with a Recruitment Action? Or a Martial research pick?
I'm looking at this on my phone so I'll reply to this bit quickly with the caveat that I haven't spoken with Oneiros on it so he may have a different opinion. Due to the purpose of MtSG, I would say no. It's also probably in your best interest narratively, not to combine. Think of it another way, would you recruit or make suggestions to a company you just started with on day 1? Even though you've heard heaps about them and seen reports etc? Probably not >.>
 
@Spectrum A few things:
  • I'm a little queasy about you giving Juan the job of diplomacy because his diplomacy sucks balls.
  • Can Luna doubletime meeting the symphony guard with recruiting a new regiment? @OneirosTheWriter, @Macchiato
  • I'd prefer if you dropped the Janie Tellar action for this turn (we can do it next turn) and instead did The Woman In Yellow. Think about how bad it could be if she's actually unloyal, given that she's in our court and all.
  • Why don't you have Charlie Tellar do the Yellow Banner search whilst you set Hamid Hulland on something different? Like Did You Get My Memo, or Surveying Greater Harper? Though he'd presumably have to remain in Harper if he is doing The Woman In Yellow as well.
    • Or hell, have him do one of the minor house actions, House Rios's Navy or An Eye For Talent.
  • Will it negatively impact Alice's visit if Evelyn isn't at Harper to meet her, and she has to sail all the way to Etalia as a result?
 
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Lastly, can I ask how much attention/time "Meet the Symphony Guard!" takes? Is it possible to combine that with a Recruitment Action? Or a Martial research pick?

We had a discussion and the main obstacle is that the the two bases of the Symphony Guard are in Etela (Sonissimmo) and Arbalen (Dale), which means Luna will be shuttling between those two territories, leaving too little time to go back to Harper and do things like manage recruitment.

Now this has sparked another discussion with me and @Macchiato - from the next turn on we will change Recruitment from an Agent action to an Influence action, since this is something that really Antonia should be able to handle at home as Marshall, but it still requires an investment of the resources and attention of the House (thus the Influence Cost)


@FriedIce @Chaeronea @Spectrum

Okay, regards these three plans. We have let Spectrum bend the constraints around what Evelyn can be loaded up with, however, it comes at the penalty of Evelyn picking up a Stressed trait, with the sort of attendant problems that you would expect from a stressed person. I wanted you guys to be aware of this in case you wanted to amend your plans.

Six months is a fair length of time to do some of these things, which is part of why we're letting it go, but this sort of thing should be asked for on a case by case basis. By and large, we're looking for common sense results. Options that are located in the same province, that aren't mutually exclusive, and could reasonably be completed in each other's time frames.

I'm putting a link to the current plans here for voters to find, and also putting them at the bottom of the opening post for ease of voters looking to click through, so hopefully that helps newcomers join in.

Plan FriedIce

Plan Chaeronea

Plan Spectrum
 
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I'm a little queasy about you giving Juan the job of diplomacy because his diplomacy sucks balls.
Diplomacy 20 doesn't suck balls. I mean, it's not exceptional, but I don't think this is the hardest task out there and he has decent Symphony and Councilor support.

Can Luna doubletime meeting the symphony guard with recruiting a new regiment? OneirosTheWriter, Macchiato
Already answered. : (

I'd prefer if you dropped the Janie Tellar action for this turn (we can do it next turn) and instead did The Woman In Yellow. Think about how bad it could be if she's actually unloyal, given that she's in our court and all.
I'm allergic to that hideous success chance. Didn't you math it and it's still only a 70% if we put Hamid on it anyway? In some sense I'd almost be willing to just punt her out of hand because we don't have time to deal with her.

I honestly kind of want to just do neither this turn and save 2 Influence for mid-turn actions. If we're calling for Arnold Vincennes and Lana Antilles to get arrested/called for accountability, I get the sense we're going to need to spend even more influence to punish them in some fashion, let alone anything else that got set on fire in the mean time or even just the Alice stuff. Thoughts?

  • Why don't you have Charlie Tellar do the Yellow Banner search whilst you set Hamid Hulland on something different? Like Did You Get My Memo, or Surveying Greater Harper? Though he'd presumably have to remain in Harper if he is doing The Woman In Yellow as well.
    • Or hell, have him do one of the minor house actions, House Rios's Navy or An Eye For Talent.
Mostly because Charlie Tellar isn't exceptional at Combat or Intrigue and it feels like a blatant "this is going to be a fight" action and I also wanted to knock out the other half of that action if someone's working on the Yellow Banners anyway. She's okay but I wouldn't want her doing it solo. Hamid with what should be Melody along for evaluation the way I have things written in some sense should be a lot safer. I'll give it some thought. Do you think I'm being too cautious?

edit: If you think it's a waste of Hamid's time/we could be doing more, what do you think is the best usage of him instead? I'm totally willing to hear you out. It should probably be Intrigue related anyway. Like, yeah he can do the Minor House actions and *someone* should but god it's such a waste of that huge Intrigue score to send him there... Perhaps "Follow the Money" or "Loose Lips"?

  • Will it negatively impact Alice's visit if Evelyn isn't at Harper to meet her, and she has to sail all the way to Etalia as a result?
*thinks*

@OneirosTheWriter @Macchiato Can we get more information on Alice Rugain's arrival? How imminent is imminent? Is it plausible that Evelyn delays a week or so to meet her and then sets off for Sonissimmo without impacting the rest of her actions? Where is the fleet coming from? (Are they stopping in Etela on the way and can just see her there?)

Okay, regards these three plans. We have let Spectrum bend the constraints around what Evelyn can be loaded up with, however, it comes at the penalty of Evelyn picking up a Stressed trait, with the sort of attendant problems that you would expect from a stressed person. I wanted you guys to be aware of this in case you wanted to amend your plans.
NB - I asked for it but I'm not actually using it in the current version of my plan, because I both did want Stressed and I felt that I found other people to be able to do it.

Six months is a fair length of time to do some of these things, which is part of why we're letting it go, but this sort of thing should be asked for on a case by case basis. By and large, we're looking for common sense results. Options that are located in the same province, that aren't mutually exclusive, and could reasonably be completed in each other's time frames.
Explicitly, let me just check then, since I didn't see confirmation on these two yet.
I've tabbed Carmen Rios for both "Foster Care - Approach House Sonissimmo" and "You've heard rumours that "Faithless as a Tellar"...". Is this okay?
I've put Hamid (for now, this might change I guess) on "A Formal Relationship" (which was already noted as not being a full turn action) and the Yellow Banner combination of "Focused digging on the Yellow Banner" (the Law & Order action) and "Commence a hunt for the Yellow Banner peasants" (the temporary one this turn). Is that okay?
 
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I'm allergic to that hideous success chance. Didn't you math it and it's still only a 70% if we put Hamid on it anyway? In some sense I'd almost be willing to just punt her out of hand because we don't have time to deal with her.

I honestly kind of want to just do neither this turn and save 2 Influence for mid-turn actions. If we're calling for Arnold Vincennes and Lana Antilles to get arrested/called for accountability, I get the sense we're going to need to spend even more influence to punish them in some fashion, let alone anything else that got set on fire in the mean time or even just the Alice stuff. Thoughts?
I did math it out, yeah. But I'm still uncomfortable with the idea of leaving a possible infiltrator unmolested. That we might need multiple points of influence this turn isn't something I'd actually considered but upon thought it looks pretty likely.

Mostly because Charlie Tellar isn't exceptional at Combat or Intrigue and it feels like a blatant "this is going to be a fight" action and I also wanted to knock out the other half of that action if someone's working on the Yellow Banners anyway. She's okay but I wouldn't want her doing it solo. Hamid with what should be Melody along for evaluation the way I have things written in some sense should be a lot safer. I'll give it some thought. Do you think I'm being too cautious?
I think you might be, yeah. These guys are, when you get down to it, peasants. Whilst the chance that they've been co-opted by the Teuv is worrying Charlie Tellar isn't exactly terrible at conflict and should know well enough to go and grab a military regiment if it looks like she'll be heading into a fight. On that note actually, @Macchiato I assume that she'll take an escort with her on her trip?

edit: If you think it's a waste of Hamid's time/we could be doing more, what do you think is the best usage of him instead? I'm totally willing to hear you out. It should probably be Intrigue related anyway. Like, yeah he can do the Minor House actions and *someone* should but god it's such a waste of that huge Intrigue score to send him there...
I feel like it is, yes. Honestly I'd have him surveying Greater Harper, which is basically an autosux for him but where his action would hopefully support Charlie Tellar's action investigating the Yellow Banner. Honestly, some of those minor house actions are for us to give to Theo Raleigh when we don't have anything incredibly high risk for him to do IMHO.

I'll give my plan an edit in a bit (I'm going to be stealing your format) but its going to have to wait until after this essay is done. Fucking Precautionary Principle.
 
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I was going through the early posts of this thread as a way to procrastinate from doing my work and I came across this:
A word of caution about disregarding vassal houses, though, because I don't think I'm exactly giving anything away by saying that the vassals for your House will affect your domestic relationships, not to mention the other baggage and benefits they might bring to the table for your House.
so true
 
@OneirosTheWriter The actions I've put down for Evelyn are to improve relations with the Sonissimmo and to try to patch things up with Hana, as I felt that there would be a fair bit of overlap and that Hana would most likely be in Etala anyway. Would she still be vulnerable to getting the Stressed trait?

Also, if we held off on investigating the Yellow Banner until the turn after we interrogate the prisoners captured by House Rios, is that likely to improve our odds of success?
 
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On that note actually, @Macchiato I assume that she'll take an escort with her on her trip?
Yup.
@OneirosTheWriter The actions I've put down for Evelyn are to improve relations with the Sonissimmo and to try to patch things up with Hana, as I felt that there would be a fair bit of overlap and that Hana would most likely be in Etala anyway. Would she still be vulnerable to getting the Stressed trait?
No. Same region which is a tick, but only two actions so it's fine. It's when you exceed two, even being in the same region, that the stress trait would start to kick in.
 
Thank you. So can other agents aside from Evelyn take two actions per turn, or is it unique to Evelyn?
It isn't unique to Evelyn, but you're more likely to get a favourable decision when it comes to Evelyn. Beyond that, the key thing to keep in mind is, are these two actions that could feasibly be juggled at the same time? So something like a big infrastructure project is going to just chew up all of a person's time and leave them too exhausted. Something like Evelyn's training is going to take up her days, but leave her nights free to conduct diplomacy with the Sonissimmo, college student burning-both-ends style.

Sooo, basically, ask yourself if you think the workload you are giving an agent is practicable, and if so, then ask us to find out if we agree.

*thinks*

@OneirosTheWriter @Macchiato Can we get more information on Alice Rugain's arrival? How imminent is imminent? Is it plausible that Evelyn delays a week or so to meet her and then sets off for Sonissimmo without impacting the rest of her actions? Where is the fleet coming from? (Are they stopping in Etela on the way and can just see her there?)

There's a few too many IC unknowns for me to give definitive answers there. As an approximation, Alice will be arriving at the mid-turn post. Fwiw, for a seafaring people, having to go around to Balan Harbour instead of docking at Billfarthing and coming up the Barossa River to Harper is like being told, "I'm afraid you can't stay up at my quaint fishing town, I've had to go away to Paris, so sorry, could you join me there?"

In terms of ports that sailors like to visit, there are three real attractions. You have Balan Harbour, which is Sonissimmo's, which is the most majestic city in Sartier and home to a enormous port facility, shipyards, and crazy fortifications. You have Carethlodom, which is Capo's harbour, where shore leave can earn you almost any earthly pleasure you're prepared to part with coins for. And you have Vicaria Bay, which is Carlisle's, which is a tremendous bustling hub of trade.

I've tabbed Carmen Rios for both "Foster Care - Approach House Sonissimmo" and "You've heard rumours that "Faithless as a Tellar"...". Is this okay?
I've put Hamid (for now, this might change I guess) on "A Formal Relationship" (which was already noted as not being a full turn action) and the Yellow Banner combination of "Focused digging on the Yellow Banner" (the Law & Order action) and "Commence a hunt for the Yellow Banner peasants" (the temporary one this turn). Is that okay?

Yes, those action pairings are fine.
 
*thinks*

@OneirosTheWriter @Macchiato Can we get more information on Alice Rugain's arrival? How imminent is imminent? Is it plausible that Evelyn delays a week or so to meet her and then sets off for Sonissimmo without impacting the rest of her actions? Where is the fleet coming from? (Are they stopping in Etela on the way and can just see her there?
Just to follow on @OneirosTheWriter's reply, and @FriedIce's earlier query as well, because Evelyn is Alice's primary Sartieran contact, I would suggest that Evelyn not being present would have a negative impact and that Harper to see her would be first on the list of things to do.

Agree that we can't disclose how imminent, but would suggest that with our turns covering 6 month time spans, the likelihood of getting a message to Alice to change the itinerary at this point and also being able to confirm that it works for everyone is 50/50 at best.
 
I did math it out, yeah. But I'm still uncomfortable with the idea of leaving a possible infiltrator unmolested. That we might need multiple points of influence this turn isn't something I'd actually considered but upon thought it looks pretty likely.
Yeah. I mean, I understand that, but we're just kinda stretched a bit. Honestly, regiments moving to being recruited off Influence might actually be a net negative for us.

I'm going to probably drop that action off my plan once I get around to making edits to reserve us 2 influence.

I think you might be, yeah. These guys are, when you get down to it, peasants. Whilst the chance that they've been co-opted by the Teuv is worrying Charlie Tellar isn't exactly terrible at conflict and should know well enough to go and grab a military regiment if it looks like she'll be heading into a fight. On that note actually, Macchiato I assume that she'll take an escort with her on her trip?
Fair. I think I'll make that change, then.

I feel like it is, yes. Honestly I'd have him surveying Greater Harper, which is basically an autosux for him but where his action would hopefully support Charlie Tellar's action investigating the Yellow Banner. Honestly, some of those minor house actions are for us to give to Theo Raleigh when we don't have anything incredibly high risk for him to do IMHO.

I'll give my plan an edit in a bit (I'm going to be stealing your format) but its going to have to wait until after this essay is done. Fucking Precautionary Principle.
I think that's probably downplaying those Minor House actions a bit...well, let me just ask I guess. Honestly, if Theo Raleigh had nothing to do this turn then he should probably be going for Veteran Songweaver. Doing Minor House actions shouldn't be viewed as throwaways, it's part of being a good liege.

@Macchiato @OneirosTheWriter Can you provide more info on the Minor House actions? Specifically, for House Rios, it feels like there's still a roll of some kind needed there (presumably Martial since it's just buying ships) or is it mostly free? (I guess what I'm really asking about is there are a mix of actions, some with known base chance, some with explicitly ??? base chance, some with explicitly auto success, and some like these with nothing. How should we view these ones with nothing?) Additionally, this doesn't seem like that intensive an action time wise and so conceivably could be paired with something else? (As compared with the House Reynolds action which would probably take all their time.)

There's a few too many IC unknowns for me to give definitive answers there. As an approximation, Alice will be arriving at the mid-turn post. Fwiw, for a seafaring people, having to go around to Balan Harbour instead of docking at Billfarthing and coming up the Barossa River to Harper is like being told, "I'm afraid you can't stay up at my quaint fishing town, I've had to go away to Paris, so sorry, could you join me there?"

In terms of ports that sailors like to visit, there are three real attractions. You have Balan Harbour, which is Sonissimmo's, which is the most majestic city in Sartier and home to a enormous port facility, shipyards, and crazy fortifications. You have Carethlodom, which is Capo's harbour, where shore leave can earn you almost any earthly pleasure you're prepared to part with coins for. And you have Vicaria Bay, which is Carlisle's, which is a tremendous bustling hub of trade.
Just to follow on OneirosTheWriter's reply, and FriedIce's earlier query as well, because Evelyn is Alice's primary Sartieran contact, I would suggest that Evelyn not being present would have a negative impact and that Harper to see her would be first on the list of things to do.

Agree that we can't disclose how imminent, but would suggest that with our turns covering 6 month time spans, the likelihood of getting a message to Alice to change the itinerary at this point and also being able to confirm that it works for everyone is 50/50 at best.
Hrrrrrrm. I'm a little perplexed how to view this, honestly. Oneiros's reply seems to indicate that it would be kinda positive if the meeting was moved to Sonissimmo. But Macchiato then gave a rejoinder that if Alice got to Harper and Evelyn wasn't there that wouldn't be good and that there isn't better than an even chance that Alice could be told in time to just go to Sonissimmo first. So I think it's potentially not awful but probably not good in the most likely scenario?

Macchiato, for the purposes of Alice being happy, if Evelyn is doing stuff with the Minor Houses, will she count as being close enough by being inside Greater Harper or does she really need to stick around Harper itself? Further, if we wanted her to stay in Harper, would "Patching Up" also not be doable?

Also, if Rita isn't sent this turn to the Royal Navy, that option isn't going away barring some kind of diplomatic faux pax, correct? Alternatively, if she does manage to learn Naval Songweaver, would she then be capable of teaching that herself or would Evelyn (or whoever else) need to go visit the Royal Navy themselves to have a chance at learning it?

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Musing out loud here on changes I think I need to make to my plan now that we have some more information.

1) Striking Janie Tellar. My gut tells me we'll want the Influence free for mid-turn.
2) Keeping Evelyn Tellar inside Harper. What exactly she'll end up doing is yet to be seen, but there are a lot of possibilities. She could get the Minor House work but she has mediocre Stewardship so that doesn't seem great for Reynolds (Rios fits better since it doesn't lock her in and it should be just Martial). She could do Recruitment but she's not a Spellsword so she can't get Longbows and yes we want some more Longbows. She can't take over for Luna and have Luna do that because the Royal Army action will also involve traveling all over. She could actually maybe take over for Dominic and have Dominic do that recruitment but that locks up Evelyn instead for 3 turns (ew, and sinks my plan of having her go to Sonissimmo with Rita next turn). So, I think it's either Minor House work, But Its So Big And Blue or some other military research, Survey Greater Harper, Loose Lips, or even an Eye for Talent. Hell, even the marriage/symphony one could be viable. Either Survey Greater Harper or But Its So Big And Blue would have potential synergy with the mid-turn actions...
3) Maybe keeping Rita Hulland inside Harper (ie not doing her research action this turn). This could let Evelyn still do the training action but my sense of synergy would still want to do that at the same time Rita is going for Naval Songweaver to give Evelyn a shot at it (pending answers above), so probably not.
4) Moving Hamid off the Yellow Banner actions, leaving Charlie Tellar to take only the one that disappears this turn, and into something else. Probably Loose Lips or Follow the Money, but it could be Survey Greater Etela instead. Or he could do Survey Greater Harper and let Evelyn take the ship research...
5) Maybe moving Theo Raleigh into training Veteran Songweaver or An Eye for Talent if Hamid takes his spot instead. Nevermind, I remembered I wanted Hamid out of Carentan for a turn, so Theo stays there.

edit: Thought some stuff over while in the shower.
 
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Hrrrrrrm. I'm a little perplexed how to view this, honestly. Oneiros's reply seems to indicate that it would be kinda positive if the meeting was moved to Sonissimmo. But Macchiato then gave a rejoinder that if Alice got to Harper and Evelyn wasn't there that wouldn't be good and that there isn't better than an even chance that Alice could be told in time to just go to Sonissimmo first. So I think it's potentially not awful but probably not good in the most likely scenario?
What you're actually experiencing is the two of us being at work and therefore not communicating/consulting with each other and giving our individual takes on how to reply. Yes, we are not one entity and have differing opinions on quest stuff. We'll sort it out and hopefully have a better answer for you when we get home and have time to talk about this a bit more xD
 
What you're actually experiencing is the two of us being at work and therefore not communicating/consulting with each other and giving our individual takes on how to reply. Yes, we are not one entity and have differing opinions on quest stuff. We'll sort it out and hopefully have a better answer for you when we get home and have time to talk about this a bit more xD
Speaking of which, like, I'm a little confused by something else.

The two of you are a gentleman writer shark married to a grumpy bunny. How exactly does that work? Is that a Down Under only thing? Is this how we got platypus?

...

*runs*

:rofl:
 
So, let's see. What are the plans on display? *has been busy, will fill this past in sometime...soonish with a vote? Not sure how much time is left.*
You've got a while, we're still discussing things mostly, I've yet to update my plan to it latest incarnation after all the discussion whilst Spectrum has.
 
Ok, I've updated Plan FriedIce, the new plan reads as follows:
[ ] Non-Agent - Crime and Punishment [-1 Influence]
-[ ] Significant
--[ ] Additionally a multi-house peacekeeping force will be placed on the border on the Vincennes side

[ ] Non-Agent - Without Chivalry We Are Nothing [-1 Influence]
-[ ] Significant
--[ ] Additionally Lana Antilles is summoned to Harper to account for her actions

I spent a lot of time debating over these, however, I think I'm coming down on the side of significant retribution with a few added actions on top. As much as I'd like to smack them both until they can't stand up we do need to be wary about weakening our vassals too much. That said, they both need to be smacked, and hopefully the multi-house peacekeeping force on the border will get them to stop burning things at least...

[ ] Evelyn - Wait for Alice and then travel to Etela
-[ ] Foster Care [-1 Influence]
--[ ] Approach House Tarrant to negotiate possible fosterings.
--[ ] Approach House Sonissimmo to look into possible fosterings.
-[ ] Free - Patching Up (Her Relationship With Hana)

Right, now that we have it confirmed that travelling to Etela won't negatively impact Alice's trip (she'll just wait and get a lift with Alice) I want to have Evelyn not overly busy so that she still has time to spend with Alice. Sealing the deal with the fosterings is a relatively low effort task and its Evelyn who has the relationships with Sonissimmo and Tarrant anyway, hopefully that'll synergise with patching up her relationship with Hana.

[ ] Dominic Rios - Remain in Harper
-[ ] A Formal Position [-4,000g]

Its a really good idea with potentially grand benefits, lets do it. Dominic suggested it, so I'm hoping he might get a bonus to making this action happen, though Carmen's probably a better fit for the position.

[ ] Carmen Rios - Travel to Etela, then Dyelin
-[ ] Putting Yourself In Their Shoes
--[ ] House Sarba
-[ ] Free - Mentoring Audrey Suarez

Carmen Rios gets this because her Intrigue/Diplomacy score makes me feel she'll be better suited to dealing with Sarba, who continue to fund bandits on the border, than Evelyn and Dominic is busy. She's mentoring Suarez because she's basically our best bet for it

[ ] Luna Reynolds - Travel to wherever the symphony guard is based
-[ ] Meet the Symphony Guard!

We need to do this at some point. And if anyone's going to be doing it, it should probably be Luna.

[ ] Juan Lumen - Remain in Harper
-[ ] ...And Get Over It [-20,000g]

We'll loose Juan for a long time, three years, but we get a lot out of that project. It counts as three infrastructure projects and it'll help commoner mood!

[ ] Theo Raliegh - Travel to Greater Carentan
-[ ] Taking Over The Caseload
--[ ] Survey Greater Carentan

This needs to be done and it needs to be done now. I almost want to give it to Carmen Rios but she's busy with Sarba, Honestly I'm inclined to give it to Theo Raliegh, whilst he'll only have a 81% chance of successful completion (lower than I'd like) his combat 40 means that he's almost guaranteed to get out alive if things do go tits up...

[ ] Hamid Hulland - Remain in Greater Harper
-[ ] A Formal Relationship
-[ ] Taking Over the Caseload
--[ ] Survey Greater Harper

It was confirmed that bringing Melody along won't take all of Hamid's time, so naturally we're giving him another task to do. He can bring Melody along with him, it'll be like a buddy cop mission!

[ ] Non-Agent (Charlie Tellar) - Remain in Greater Harper
-[ ] Bandits With A Yellow Banner

We need to do this, we don't have enough intrigue actions, Charlie Tellar has offered to help. Lets let her.

[ ] Non-Agent (Rita Hulland) - Travel to Etela
-[ ] Hello Sailor
--[ ] Have Rita travel herself to Sonissimmo to attempt to learn these skills

I can't think of any reason not to have her do this. Can anyone else?

[ ] Non-Agent (Alice Tellar) - Remain in Harper
-[ ] We're funding her magic research! [-15,000g]

[ ] Free - Help Needed
-[ ] Instruct all agents to keep an eye out for candidates in their travels.

This could be dangerous considering we've got a couple of tight actions, but I'm hopeful it won't hit us where it hurts, I'm really not keen on the idea of giving enemy spymasters an open season on our court.

Total Costs: 3 influence (2 remaining), 39,000g (~11,000 income remaining after actions)

Huh, that was a surprisingly cheap turn.
 
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Hrrrrrrm. I'm a little perplexed how to view this, honestly. Oneiros's reply seems to indicate that it would be kinda positive if the meeting was moved to Sonissimmo. But Macchiato then gave a rejoinder that if Alice got to Harper and Evelyn wasn't there that wouldn't be good and that there isn't better than an even chance that Alice could be told in time to just go to Sonissimmo first. So I think it's potentially not awful but probably not good in the most likely scenario?

Macchiato, for the purposes of Alice being happy, if Evelyn is doing stuff with the Minor Houses, will she count as being close enough by being inside Greater Harper or does she really need to stick around Harper itself? Further, if we wanted her to stay in Harper, would "Patching Up" also not be doable?

Also, if Rita isn't sent this turn to the Royal Navy, that option isn't going away barring some kind of diplomatic faux pax, correct? Alternatively, if she does manage to learn Naval Songweaver, would she then be capable of teaching that herself or would Evelyn (or whoever else) need to go visit the Royal Navy themselves to have a chance at learning it?
Evelyn will wait in Harper until Alice shows up before heading to whatever province she is off to, since she is expected early in the season. She will then head to the required province with Alice (this is valid for pretty much anywhere but Timbre!)
 
So, let's see. What are the plans on display? *has been busy, will fill this past in sometime...soonish with a vote? Not sure how much time is left.*
I'm putting a link to the current plans here for voters to find, and also putting them at the bottom of the opening post for ease of voters looking to click through, so hopefully that helps newcomers join in.

Plan FriedIce

Plan Chaeronea

Plan Spectrum
I'm about to update my plan, give me a sec. Waffling on Hamid's new action.

Evelyn will wait in Harper until Alice shows up before heading to whatever province she is off to, since she is expected early in the season. She will then head to the required province with Alice (this is valid for pretty much anywhere but Timbre!)
Got it. Okay, that moots a lot of my questions. Just going to requote this one:
(I guess what I'm really asking about is there are a mix of actions, some with known base chance, some with explicitly ??? base chance, some with explicitly auto success, and some like these with nothing. How should we view these ones with nothing?)
If I read the last turn results right, things with nothing listed are basically autosuccesses also, but may end up having some kind of complications in some fashion? (judging by Carmen doing A Shield of Our Own and needing some kind of avoid delay roll)

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Edited my plan.

Changelog:
Struck Janie Tellar action to conserve Influence
Have Charlie Tellar hunt for the Yellow Banners instead but not the L&O half
Moved Hamid Hulland to Did You Get The Memo?
 
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