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Ride the Lightning (Worm / DC Comics Cross Over)

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Ferdiad said:
Applying stuff like Vigilante Acts and lawyering never ends well in worm fics imo. People do it because they think it adds some legitimacy to their fic but it pretty much has the opposite effect. I mean we don't see Taylor in Canon worrying about the legality of her actions after taking down Lung, Parahumans are a law unto themselves and should be treated as such.
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I won't lie, at first I gave many a thought to this subject. In the end I went with the idea of:

1) sanctioned capes = legitimate law enforcement authority, sanctioned activities

2) affiliated capes (like New Wave) = recognized law enforcement authority, tolerated activities

3) non-affiliated capes (vigilantes) = citizens arrest. Prosecution tends to not go well unless the police or PRT (depending on type of criminal) are able to build a case.

Beyond those guidelines I'm not too worried about developing Parahuman Law. Taylor working with the Police will be about her coming to understand what the laws are and how to best enforce them. She could go whole hog and ignore it, but I want her to have a good relationship with the Police, as opposed to the migraines they probably get when they hear that Glory Girl tried to stop a bank robbery.
 
thecoffeeguru said:
I won't lie, at first I gave many a thought to this subject. In the end I went with the idea of:

1) sanctioned capes = legitimate law enforcement authority, sanctioned activities

2) affiliated capes (like New Wave) = recognized law enforcement authority, tolerated activities

3) non-affiliated capes (vigilantes) = citizens arrest. Prosecution tends to not go well unless the police or PRT (depending on type of criminal) are able to build a case.

Beyond those guidelines I'm not too worried about developing Parahuman Law. Taylor working with the Police will be about her coming to understand what the laws are and how to best enforce them. She could go whole hog and ignore it, but I want her to have a good relationship with the Police, as opposed to the migraines they probably get when they hear that Glory Girl tried to stop a bank robbery.
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Fair enough but I think keeping it simple works best in regards to worm. Parahuman beats up thugs, drops them off at police station, and is done and dusted. I mean no one reads worm fics to know that Taylor fucked up her handling of turning in who she beat the shit out of. It's irrelevant. That is unless you unload it and then went the opposite way you did. Sort of like how I perceive Shadow Stalker operated, beat em up when you see a crime in progress and who gives a shit after that.
 
JamesB said:
Taylor should have Emma relive her nightmare. After school one day, she vanishes in thin air and appears in the middle of ABB territory without her phone. No one would ever know.
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That's going a little too far. She would make the mistake of using her abilities to take advantage of those weaker than her, similar to what the ABB tried to do to Emma and Emma did to Taylor. If Taylor does get back at Emma, she should at least do it without the use of her powers.

I think the best thing however, would be for Emma to fully realize her hypocrisy and feel true guilt for it. However, it would only work if it was written in a convincing way, otherwise it would just be best to scrap this idea.
 
Work has been a nightmare today. Who knew rain made people forget how to drive?

Anyway, super excited about finishing this arc come the weekend. Once we get into arc 2 the heroing should begin to switch into high gear. This brings me to a question though....

Many of my favorite Worm fic's are interspersed with omake's (though given where I am from and live, I am tempted to use the term lagniappe).

Is this something people are interested in? I am open to seeing them from other people and think that writing some based on suggestions would help keep me invested.

(Not that I'm worried about *not* being invested. I really, REALLY want to get this to my end point, but refuse to rush my way there).
 
thecoffeeguru said:
Many of my favorite Worm fic's are interspersed with omake's. Is this something people are interested in?
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Personally, I don't like omake in general. They disrupt the flow of a story during re-reading, and trick you into thinking a new chapter's been posted. The only time I appreciated that sort of thing was with Seventh Horcrux's supplemental bits at the end.

Not that that should influence you in any way. If you want to write them, go ahead. I may not see the value, but clearly others do, so I'm sure some people will love it.

In my opinion, it's best to link them in a compilation post, and not add them to the the Threadmarks Index, but again, that's just my opinion.
 
Not really familiar with the upper limits ts on Flash powerset but isn't Quicksilver from Marvel faster?
 
Uh... no, no. Not at all. Quicksilver is molasses compared to flash.

Flash is hella inconsistent, but he's the fastest character in conventional fiction.

One incarnation of the Flash (Wally West, I think) was going to die, but then he ran away from it. He ran faster than the metaphysical concept of death, backwards in time, to before the Big Bang, where time doesn't exist and therefor death cannot exist, thus negating his own death.

Wally West could use his connection to the Speedforce to lend his speed to other objects, and also to steal their speed, which slows them to a stop and increases his. One time, he stole the speed of 'billions' of people on Earth and used the speed in addition to his own to travel faster than instantaneous travel.

Bart Allen (New 52 Flash, the current Flash IIRC) has femtosecond reaction time.

He also routinely moves fast enough to be polypresent.
 
HuntingTime said:
Not really familiar with the upper limits ts on Flash powerset but isn't Quicksilver from Marvel faster?
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*laughs* No.

Though I do think that you see Quicksilver using more of the bullshit, because Flash is just so casual, you know? Like you'll get flash speeding around, and being in multiple places at once, meanwhile Pietro uses the bullshit more because he's weaker?

Pietro uses the cheese.
 
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HuntingTime said:
Not really familiar with the upper limits ts on Flash powerset but isn't Quicksilver from Marvel faster?
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I think someone did one of those BS "Let's compare what they've done" to the Flash from the CW series.

Do not trust that.

The Flash, as displayed in comics (and in DCAU a little) is downright broken in how powerful he is. Superman? Ha. The Sentry? No chance.

The Flash, played deconstructively, is...horrifyingly potent.
 
HuntingTime said:
Not really familiar with the upper limits ts on Flash powerset but isn't Quicksilver from Marvel faster?
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No, not even close.

Mundovore said:
Bart Allen (New 52 Flash, the current Flash IIRC) has femtosecond reaction time.

He also routinely moves fast enough to be polypresent.
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That's Barry, not Bart. Bart's the grandson from the future, last I checked he was running around with the Teen Titans.

Least, last I checked, for all I know Barry died and Bart aged rapidly and is the Flash now. Still, the Flash in at least one of those pictures is Barry.
 
HuntingTime said:
Not really familiar with the upper limits ts on Flash powerset but isn't Quicksilver from Marvel faster?
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Lots of people have pointed out just how bullshit the speedforce is, but as a Marvel Fan I feel I need to defend Quicksilver's level of bullshit too. Quicksilver. Is. Bullshit. It's just that DC seems to spend every waking moment finding new and interesting ways to give physics the middle finger.

I'm a little busy to do my research but one of the interesting things I seem to recall is that during on of the few crossovers DC and Marvel did Quicksilver fought the Flash. Of course Quicksilver got his ass kicked while they were in the DC universe. However, during their rematch in the Marvel universe Quicksilver won easily and smugged it up too. Why? Well, there's no Speedforce in the Marvel universe, which meant Flash had to rely only on his powers and without the speedforce, Quicksilver was faster by at least an order of Magnitude. I might be getting the details wrong but still, pretty cool trivia.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled Flash Wank. :p
 
Sooo can we se a snippet with Taylor using the infinite mass punch
 
RexHeller said:
Lots of people have pointed out just how bullshit the speedforce is, but as a Marvel Fan I feel I need to defend Quicksilver's level of bullshit too. Quicksilver. Is. Bullshit. It's just that DC seems to spend every waking moment finding new and interesting ways to give physics the middle finger.

I'm a little busy to do my research but one of the interesting things I seem to recall is that during on of the few crossovers DC and Marvel did Quicksilver fought the Flash. Of course Quicksilver got his ass kicked while they were in the DC universe. However, during their rematch in the Marvel universe Quicksilver won easily and smugged it up too. Why? Well, there's no Speedforce in the Marvel universe, which meant Flash had to rely only on his powers and without the speedforce, Quicksilver was faster by at least an order of Magnitude. I might be getting the details wrong but still, pretty cool trivia.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled Flash Wank. :p
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Then was more along the lines of what I was asking. Without the speed force to boost him to whatever he wants how fast is he really.

Then I remembered that the SF just came to Worm-verse so Taylor is the first SF user in this multiverse cluster.

Really want to know what the QA shard is thinking about this as well as Contessa and other precogs.
 
1.9 is coming along nicely. I'm playing around with the structure a little bit with this one, so I'm going to be curious to see how it comes out. I had planned on getting it out Saturday morning, but I picked up an extra shift at work Saturday morning. As things stand now I will try to have it out sometime Friday night.
 
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I think that it migh be a good idea to edit Taylor's PoV about what she did to the thief, it didn't flow all that well with the PoV of the normal humans and most of it was superfluos to what we know TaylorFlash can do. Either to move it just before the PoV of the cop or simply shelve it for future use would be better. Other than that a solid chapter that gave us a good deal of information and good characterization.

Particularly liked the part about the computer and the impressions of the victim, the part about the uniform being a villains got a smile from me, and the fact that for her Taylor is a teleporter instead of a speeder is going to be important once the PRT talks to her (as the only person who has interacted with the Flash and filled an official statement with the police a visit from MM or AM is inevitable).
 
BF110C4 said:
I think that it migh be a good idea to edit Taylor's PoV about what she did to the thief, it didn't flow all that well with the PoV of the normal humans and most of it was superfluos to what we know TaylorFlash can do. Either to move it just before the PoV of the cop or simply shelve it for future use would be better. Other than that a solid chapter that gave us a good deal of information and good characterization.

Particularly liked the part about the computer and the impressions of the victim, the part about the uniform being a villains got a smile from me, and the fact that for her Taylor is a teleporter instead of a speeder is going to be important once the PRT talks to her (as the only person who has interacted with the Flash and filled an official statement with the police a visit from MM or AM is inevitable).
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I did a good deal of juggling with 1.9. When I decided it needed to be split from 1.8 I had gotten as far as her waking up to the sound of the shower. I then sat down and wrote her leaving the library and all of the interaction with the mugger, victim, and police officer. It was only then that I realized I needed to end on the "I'm The Flash" as opposed to dropping that mic and then doing more. So I cut 6 pages and wrote all of the library stuff, then merged them together.

The Taylor POV stuff I felt was important. I might go back and pull it out later if I end up doing it better in one of the upcoming chapters.
 
It's been noted that, because of the his powers, the Flash can see into other dimensions, at least a little, allowing him to see things that are out of phase. Wonder how this will effect Sophia's powers.
 
Flash can do a lot of stuff, especially when he stops holding back. I think the hardest part is over, and you just have to focus on what you generally want to do next.
 
thecoffeeguru said:
I did a good deal of juggling with 1.9. When I decided it needed to be split from 1.8 I had gotten as far as her waking up to the sound of the shower. I then sat down and wrote her leaving the library and all of the interaction with the mugger, victim, and police officer. It was only then that I realized I needed to end on the "I'm The Flash" as opposed to dropping that mic and then doing more. So I cut 6 pages and wrote all of the library stuff, then merged them together.

The Taylor POV stuff I felt was important. I might go back and pull it out later if I end up doing it better in one of the upcoming chapters.
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Ok, then maybe move it just take out the 'an hour before' and move it just before the civilians PoV start, that would be more fluid and you wouldn't need to actually rewrite anything.
 
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