RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

[soulcake]

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Please endeavour to be cordial. :^)

 

[Dark as Silver]

You can only shudder at the thought of what the machine would release if you were wearing a Rune of Direction.

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Grumble Grumble, Rune of Purification makes no sense. Grumble Grumble.

 

[veekie]

Dolgi's got his own version of Productivity Like No Other I see...

- Odd Wyrm's Blood complete! Pt.2 known, but locked! The Material is...not useless, but you certainly feel that without a proper understanding of the Material on a more magical level, you're a bit out of luck. As it is you're at least certain it's not harmful, by Grungni it's downright useful in some cases! Better to find lead in your silver mine than nothing but stone as they say. Durin's Consternation strikes again.

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I wonder how we can get magical analysis on this?
*Eyes Elves*

-- New Rune Unlocked! Rune of Transcription: When placed on an appropriate apparatus, the user's words will be written down. Nothing as fanciful and foolish as a magical floating chisel and hammer, it's still a bit peculiar to see a Rune Writer at work. An unexpected result, but one you'll take all the same.

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If we put this on a spear could it perform writing combos?

 

[BungieONI]

So we have 10 turns to finish reclaiming all holds we should have atleast 2 turns before the campaing since the kings would need to prepare before starting.

Should we finish arm them before making a weapon for ourself?

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I definitely think we should since a lot of those who benefit from it are supporting crafts that help for a campaign, and as others have noted I absolutely think we'll have time to get that squared away.

And with Movement of Things reduced to 2 actions we can knock that out super easy while working on something else like Arm Them and not need to worry about a thing.

For as hard as it seems to sit down for a binge, we are getting some research done, which is rather nice. Among them I think Rune Metal just got reduced by a turn in total to complete it from that +1 progress we got for it which is just hallelujah.

Why do you all reckon the elves are out here, anyways? From the sound of it they were blown ashore in a storm or something and their ships were damaged, but even with that considered they're rather far out of their typical stomping grounds, if I remember right. I'm rather curious why they're even in the area. Are they planning on establishing a colony in the North do you think?

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I think they got chewed to shit in the Sea of Claws, which is totally reasonable since the place is a hell-cauldron of nasty beasts, and washed up wherever they washed up. @soulcake can you tell us where they washed up by the way or is that for next update?

 

[Dark as Silver]

So, I hope nobody was planning research turns any time soon. The cruel truth certainly is in effect.

 

[kinglugia]

At least we'll probably get to strut around in our new armour, I guess.

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Mmm, need to forge ourselves a new panoply that wouldn't clash with the armor. The older ones would srve to make him seem... Unfinished.

We genuinely ought to work out a decent weapon to join the campaign soon. Really have Snorri flex on the youngsters.

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Agreed.

 

[BelligerentGnu]

So, my initial theory re: the dragon's blood is that the purifier strips it of all affinity with specific magical winds - for example, aqshy is almost certainly attracted to magma dragon blood. It's still magically potent, but that's why it becomes a universal, weaker reagent.

Best guess for the griffon's location would be the south shore of the sea of claws. Also, I really want that universal translator Rune how.

Finally, I'm pro trading with Lorna. Favour can be come by a lot of ways, new runes are extremely rare.

 

[Alratan]

Why do you all reckon the elves are out here, anyways? From the sound of it they were blown ashore in a storm or something and their ships were damaged, but even with that considered they're rather far out of their typical stomping grounds, if I remember right. I'm rather curious why they're even in the area. Are they planning on establishing a colony in the North do you think?

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According to one canon source, there was elven settlement on Norsca pre-Coming of Chaos in the middle of Norsca. They could have come to see what happened to the place.

 

[Dark as Silver]

So, my initial theory re: the dragon's blood is that the purifier strips it of all affinity with specific magical winds - for example, aqshy is almost certainly attracted to magma dragon blood. It's still magically potent, but that's why it becomes a universal, weaker reagent.

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So your theory would go:
Prismatic dragons blood is basic dragon blood, but _____ dragons are saturated in _____ wind which removes the bloods ability to be used in other ways.
When its really really saturated by being an older and more powerful dragon the wind begins to enhance that sort of way the rune can be used?

I think I'm going to disagree, if that where the case I'm not sure why adding small amounts of whatever wind wouldn't improve runes in some way.
I think the prismatic blood is actually dragon blood purified to just being the shared concept of dragon blood.

 

[BungieONI]

So, my initial theory re: the dragon's blood is that the purifier strips it of all affinity with specific magical winds - for example, aqshy is almost certainly attracted to magma dragon blood. It's still magically potent, but that's why it becomes a universal, weaker reagent.

Best guess for the griffon's location would be the south shore of the sea of claws. Also, I really want that universal translator Rune how.

Finally, I'm pro trading with Lorna. Favour can be come by a lot of ways, new runes are extremely rare.

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And let's be honest, it's kinda hard to spend Runelord favor on anything else at all since opportunities to spend Favor are sparse on the ground and always have been.

My current idea is somewhat related to yours, I basically think the Purification Rune is conceptually pushing things towards a sort of ideal form. Essentially rendering the blood down into something like a Essence of Dragon.

 

[Alratan]

Mmm, need to forge ourselves a new panoply that wouldn't clash with the armor. The older ones would srve to make him seem... Unfinished.

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We have time. Let's get a fair bit more research done first. I really think we want to get Runemetal advanced by another couple of stages before we make our personal weapon, and I also think we absolutely want to get the Master Rune of Purification adapted into a weapon rune. Consider that the Master Rune of Purification needs huge amounts of power, and that our armour can supply large amounts of power from the deep earth. Surely there's some synergy here. As we know Purification works on things that aren't Gromril now, this could produce a very interesting result.

One thing I'm interested in is the more unique secondary weapons we might be able to create with a combination of the Rune of Direction and an improved Rune of Waking. There are warhammer dwarf models and art with them armed with flails. We could make a very interesting flail with those runes. Might be nice to popularise a rare weapon concept. A flalil would probably be greatly aided by gromril chain research as well.

It's hardly as if we need a shield now...

 

[Dark as Silver]

We have time

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They're literally launching the crusade in the next few decades and we're still in the middle of Arm them.

 

[Captainwolf]

Oh, The King of the Skies can probably use the Azyr wind, with which precognition is possible. That would probably explain how he knew about the elves and where they were.

 

[Vilegrave]

...Is it bad that i'm wondering if we can use the Rune of Transcription in weapon rune combinations so that whoever we arm can unleash Shonen-style special attacks by screaming the ability/attack name?

I'm imagining that if we do/use it right it'd be like a Nen Vow/Limitation where we restrict the abilities activation unless conditions are met in exchange for increasing the power of the activation.

 

[TimEd]

So your theory would go:
Prismatic dragons blood is basic dragon blood, but _____ dragons are saturated in _____ wind which removes the bloods ability to be used in other ways.
When its really really saturated by being an older and more powerful dragon the wind begins to enhance that sort of way the rune can be used?

I think I'm going to disagree, if that where the case I'm not sure why adding small amounts of whatever wind wouldn't improve runes in some way.
I think the prismatic blood is actually dragon blood purified to just being the shared concept of dragon blood.

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The theory actually makes some sort of sense. Dont forget that Magma Dragon Blood is used for Fire related runes etc etc.

My current guess is that Purification rounds out the magic, instead of aligning it to any one specific wind/concept. And the reason it only works similarly to bog standard dragon blood is due to inefficiency.

 

[Ancient Scholar]

Winning Vote:

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Did the muse hit you with inspiration? Didn't you just said that the thread needed to keep calm and wait for the update?

Faster them expected but I am not complaining.

 

[Maybe Mike]

I really wanna write Dolgi giving back to Valaya

 

[Dark as Silver]

The theory actually makes some sort of sense. Dont forget that Magma Dragon Blood is used for Fire related runes etc etc.

My current guess is that Purification rounds out the magic, instead of aligning it to any one specific wind/concept. And the reason it only works similarly to bog standard dragon blood is due to inefficiency.

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The problem with beligerentGnu's theory is that it doesn't explain why a lot of wind gives a boost but a little doesn't.

My concern with your theory is that we are pretty sure that purification removes winds from Gomril to make it Adamant so its not clear why it would ever work in reverse for the blood.
I think Bungie and my theories that its driving towards some kind of essence could fill that gap in yours, but then we've reached a much deeper and more interesting conclusion that what its doing in this specific case.

 

[TheDuke]

As far as the decision goes for whether to trade with Lorna or not.....why are we assuming that we won't get favour if we decide to trade? The vote explicitly states we're giving her the runes already anyways, regardless of if we trade or not, so wouldn't the result on that front be more or less the same, either way? Or does the vote mean that we're asking for something in return for giving her the runes, instead of giving them to her freely?

 

[Quest]

As far as the decision goes for whether to trade with Lorna or not.....why are we assuming that we won't get favour if we decide to trade? The vote explicitly states we're giving her the runes already anyways, regardless of if we trade or not, so wouldn't the result on that front be more or less the same, either way? Or does the vote mean that we're asking for something in return for giving her the runes, instead of giving them to her freely?

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In the latter we'll get the chance to trade other runes for runes she knows, I think.

 

[Karmic Acumen]

So, when will we test rune of purification on people?

 

[Dark as Silver]

So, when will we test rune of purification on people?

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Considering that it generates enough heat to smelt adamant?
Not until we've done an understand action and then we probably want to test it on a daemon before as well, and then when we get a reason to believe that there'll be a useful effect and finally when we've got a reason to do it.

 

[Copperscale]

... I am not surprised the conversation is going in this direction.

 

[Horium]

... I am not surprised the conversation is going in this direction.

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To be honest, ever since the rune of purification was discovered, I had wanted to test it on a nber of materials.
Daemons included.

 

[Alratan]

They're literally launching the crusade in the next few decades and we're still in the middle of Arm them.

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As I say, we have time. A few decades should be enough to significantly progress Runemetal given the drips of progress and Brotherhood favour we're earning.

We also don't need the weapon by the time the crusade happens. I trust Otrek and co to be fully capable of holding their own.

 

[soul ice]

I actually want to put gold in the thing given it it the metal most attuned to the wind of metal. given we know oathgoald is a thing maybe a purified version of gold could make some interesting things.