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I think what Snorri would despair most about in regards to modern canon dwarves, is their complete inability to be flexible in the slightest. Snorri adapts. He changes when he needs to, even if he doesn't like it. He doesn't look at the works of the Ancestors and say "I'll never be able to achieve that" he looks at them and sees a benchmark. A milestone to pass, or at least reach.
 
I think what Snorri would despair most about in regards to modern canon dwarves, is their complete inability to be flexible in the slightest. Snorri adapts. He changes when he needs to, even if he doesn't like it. He doesn't look at the works of the Ancestors and say "I'll never be able to achieve that" he looks at them and sees a benchmark. A milestone to pass, or at least reach.
To be fair to modern dwarves, their are some things Snorri believes he will never surpass, or even approach.
"What a fool I was to believe I could ever come close…" you mutter, the vision and knowledge fading and falling through your mind like sand in a sieve.

This. This was the pinnacle of your profession's work, the windswept peak all of you would spend your lives trying to reach and always find yourselves just a touch away. Nothing, you could do would ever come close to the magnificence before you. The Hubris of thinking you had even an inkling of a chance to glean anything from this Rune was galling in hindsight.
 
I think what Snorri would despair most about in regards to modern canon dwarves, is their complete inability to be flexible in the slightest. Snorri adapts. He changes when he needs to, even if he doesn't like it. He doesn't look at the works of the Ancestors and say "I'll never be able to achieve that" he looks at them and sees a benchmark. A milestone to pass, or at least reach.




Man after a few centuries I can picture the armor gaining some additional properties and letting the wearer pull a shonen protagonist moment and draw more power when they need it most. The strength to move mountains!
 
To be fair to Snorri, that's the freaking Rune of Eternity. As opposed to things like Anvils of Doom or Master Runes.
Point, but you did specifically say:
He doesn't look at the works of the Ancestors and say "I'll never be able to achieve that" he looks at them and sees a benchmark. A milestone to pass, or at least reach.
which is directly contradicted by that scene. Admittedly even among the works of the Ancestors this is their magnum opus, the single greatest rune ever made, so it is something of an exception that proves the rule.
 
He doesn't look at the works of the Ancestors and say "I'll never be able to achieve that" he looks at them and sees a benchmark. A milestone to pass, or at least reach.
To be fair, the modern dwarves have fallen so low, that even a lowly apprentice from Golden Age is a standard that's impossible to reach for vast majority of their runesmiths. So much knowledge lost...
On top of that, add compounded millennia of trauma, from decay of their civilization, pile of unresolved grudges, general despair...
Clinging to tradition is how they cope. Hanging on to any shred of a greater, better past.
 
I'm sorry, the what? My google-fu has failed me.
Mallus, very, very occasionally used as the name of the Warhammer world.

Basically: Take the mountainsouled combo, and the attendant Conduit of the Earth. Make a master rune of it.
Next: Forge a comparable quality "skysouled" combo. Make that a rune.
Then: Create or find an "oceansouled" combo. Again of similar quality. Make that a rune.
Now, you've got a Rune of the Mountain Soul, a Rune of The Sky Soul, and a Rune of the Ocean Soul. Compress all three of them into a single "World Soul" rune. Somehow.
 
Seems like Kragg overemphasizes the knowledge that the golden age had and misses the bit where there were orders of magnitude more runesmiths that actually made use of it.

In canon times, having ten times more runesmiths would make a bigger impact than the library of a single golden age runelord that only Kragg can use.


It'd be awkward since Kragg is like twice Snorri's age right now so if he got teleported to canon time and skipped the intervening years, figuring out seniority would be a bit odd. If he took the long way, then Kragg should be completely different since Snorri alone would know enough to prevent a total collapse of runesmith knowledge and probably wouldn't be opposed to teaching it en masse after the time of woes.

Im pretty sure the situation that was being thought of was if snorri got trapped underground in the intervening years and then cannon time dwarves found him. which in that case im pretty sure Kragg would probably beg to be snorri's aprentice because they just discoverd a golden age runelord. No seniority problems, the most problems I could see would be the dwarves trying to trace back the lineage with there remaining records.
 
Im pretty sure the situation that was being thought of was if snorri got trapped underground in the intervening years and then cannon time dwarves found him. which in that case im pretty sure Kragg would probably beg to be snorri's aprentice because they just discoverd a golden age runelord. No seniority problems, the most problems I could see would be the dwarves trying to trace back the lineage with there remaining records.
That, and how different Snorri's approach is to the modern accepted standard. The Runelords of Snorri's era are generally (though not universally) a lot more flexible, willing to poke fun at themselves, and so on.
 
Mallus, very, very occasionally used as the name of the Warhammer world.

Basically: Take the mountainsouled combo, and the attendant Conduit of the Earth. Make a master rune of it.
Next: Forge a comparable quality "skysouled" combo. Make that a rune.
Then: Create or find an "oceansouled" combo. Again of similar quality. Make that a rune.
Now, you've got a Rune of the Mountain Soul, a Rune of The Sky Soul, and a Rune of the Ocean Soul. Compress all three of them into a single "World Soul" rune. Somehow.
I am now wondering what sort of runes would go into sky and ocean souled while looking at the replaceable axe and hammer.
 
Im pretty sure the situation that was being thought of was if snorri got trapped underground in the intervening years and then cannon time dwarves found him. which in that case im pretty sure Kragg would probably beg to be snorri's aprentice because they just discoverd a golden age runelord. No seniority problems, the most problems I could see would be the dwarves trying to trace back the lineage with there remaining records.
Oh yeah, in that case it'd be relatively easy. Snorri would technically also be the closest descendant of Grungni by canon times so if he wanted, he probably could become High King at some point. Well that or just by being the oldest by far. It'd be the end of most runesmithy things, but he could do it.
 
Point, but you did specifically say:

which is directly contradicted by that scene. Admittedly even among the works of the Ancestors this is their magnum opus, the single greatest rune ever made, so it is something of an exception that proves the rule.
Worth pointing out that approximately 5 seconds after he decided he couldn't do it, Grungni and Valaya showed up to complain about dwarves saying they couldn't do it, say that they expect more from their descendants and give him new projects.

That's not even a sign from the gods, that's the gods telling you to your face what they expect from you and I'm sure after he reviewed the whole encounter Snorri came to think the same.
 
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I am now wondering what sort of runes would go into sky and ocean souled while looking at the replaceable axe and hammer.
Sky: Master Rune of Passage, Rune of Speed, Rune of Lightning. (Air is free, Air is Swift, Air is shocking? Point is, any sort of skysouled should be about formlessness and freedom.)
Ocean: I'm not even sure to be honest. Something about the crashing tides. Not fast, but grinding, unrelenting currents wearing down all opposition.
 
Of course you could have the cannon time dwarves discovering the amour deep underground, and then they realize hoky crap the Ancestor in the armor is still alive!!!! (how I think that could happen, when the world gets rearranged (that happens right) snorri is in the underdrak while wearing his armor (in combat with a underground monster like the one we just killed) so he gets stuck under there and up to 'modern' times is digging his way out while eating the stone for sustenance, and the reason it takes so long for him to get out is because he's just in his combgat gear/ keeps getting ambushed by underground monsters and stuff) would be in intresting omake to read.
If that did happened, I can see the dwarves immediately build a Hold on top just open up the path he dug out in order to get out all the rare and unusual monster loots Snorri have to tearfully abandoned as he can't carry them all with him.
Makes me wonder if there's runes that can preserve dead monsters in those open dirty underground spaces.
 
[Non Canon} The Discovery of the Living Ancestor, +5 to an RER Roll [USED]
AN: Ok, so this is my first real try at doing an Omake so please don't be too harsh with me.

The Discovery of the Living Ancestor

They marched through the tunnels towards the ruins of the famous Kraka Drakk in hopes to find artifacts made by one of the most famous runelords of The Time of the Ancestor Gods and later, The Golden Age. The Gift Giver, The Greed Slayer, The Earth Mover, Shadowkiller, Hold Warder, Teacher of Runelords, Eldest Runelord of The North, Snorri Klausson of Clan Winterhearth.

While normally they would wait till it was possible to take back the entire hold, it has gotten dangerous for their own hold and they need something soon to give them an edge over all those that would destroy them. Thus, the Throng was traveling through old underway passages filled with Thaggoraki and other beasts to try and enter the ancient hold from underneath since it was neigh impossible to get to it above ground without dying from something.

So far, the throng has made good progress towards the underdrak and in perhaps a single day they shall be able to enter the underdrak itself. The Throng just finished killing the latest batch of Thaggoraki when they noticed sounds of combat and strangely some of the loudest dwarven grumbling they have ever heard despite the battle ending. Quickly realizing that there might still be a remnant of Kraka Drakk still holding out, the Throng quickly moved towards the sound of battle. Grim hope fills the hearts of the dwarfs as they march.

Soon they turn a corner and pause briefly as they see the magnificent and awe inspiring sight of what appeared to be a Gronti made of almost entirely of pure gromril with a truly majestic beard slaughtering Thaggoraki by the dozen every second while grumbling in the way only the most ancient of dwarfs can most fiercely. It is the last two bits that made the Throng charge forward into the midst of battle. With the aid of the Throng the battle quickly ended and the Gronti approached the Throng and did the most shocking thing and revealing the Gronti must actually be a Living Ancestor! It, no, He Spoke.

"About time beardlings. Now, does anyone have any decent ale?" The Living Ancestor asked.

One of the nearest longbeards quickly took some of their best ale they had on hand and reverently handed it to the Ancestor.

As the Ancestor finished his ale, a brave longbeard asked him, "Honored Ancestor, would you please honor us with your name?"

The Living Ancestor turned to him with a face so stonelike that made them question themselves if the Ancestor might actually a statue after all.

"I am Snorri Klausson of Clan Winterhearth, Runelord of Kraka Drakk. Or what remains of it at least." The Living Legend informed them, making many of them, longbeards included, faint from shock and awe.

With a Grunt, The Oldest Runelord alive asks, "Now that the introductions are over, what brings your Throng here beardlings?"

The same brave longbeard tells him of their holds likely doom is approaching and they were hoping to find something to help them repel the attackers.

With another Grunt, The Hold Warder says, "Well, in that case, it seems you have my aid in this."

And again, the majority of the dwarfs faint.
 
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"I am Snorri Klausson of Clan Winterhearth, Runelord of Kraka Drakk. Or what remains of it at least."

If the implication is that some part of Krakka Drakk is still holding out, then I doubt Snorri would leave to go help. On the other hand, there's probably many many more runic weapons/armour pieces than there are dwarves remaining given the sheer time gap and Snorri's productivity. Would be an amusing scene where he offers them some of the "lower quality" spares that are sitting around unused in the vaults, and then their jaws hit the floor as they see the literal heaps of weaponry he's got just piled around somewhere.
 
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Oh yeah. Was reading Barak Azamar's description, particularly that conduit bit, and....it kind of reminds me of the KoTS's comment to Snorri when they met? Er, Grombrindal Snorri, not us. But anyways, seems like there might be a connection there, since he called him a "fragment of the earth's will". Though I imagine his connection to the earth's rather more innate.
 
The armor also provides energy correct? It would be interesting to see this effect the narrative. Like Snorri wearing it during his long projects so he doesnt collapse anymore. This means he doesnt need to be in the hospital every turn
Lol "he's so nuts about productivity he made mythic armor just so he could up his efficiency :o"
and the reason it takes so long for him to get out is because he's just in his combgat gear/ keeps getting ambushed by underground monsters and stuff) would be in intresting omake to read.
Don't you mean, "because he kept getting side tracked by new research"?
 
"And finally Clan Winterhearth, whose founder married Huldra, great-grandniece of Thungni, Princess of Karak Azul," the last finishes.
These were the hearthguard of Clan Donarkhun, scions of Thungni and through him Grungni, and they were sworn to defend the life of their princess and leader Huldra, a member of the recently crowned royal clan of Karak Azul.
I have a question, how does marrying the great-grandniece of Thungni provide a direct relation to him? I am sure that the clan brought in more Runesmith blood in over the years but if Huldra was a great-grandniece of Thungni then she is a great-granddaughter of one of Thungni's siblings. Like Smednir, Morgrim, Snorri Whitebeard, or even a hypothetical daughter of Valaya.

Was that supposed to be great-granddaughter? The clan is mentioned to be scions of Thungni and scions implies direct descendants.
 
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