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Here's a simpler view for the putting it on the armour, the longer Snorri lives, the more works he creates for the Dawi, the more chances he gets to procure other T5 ingredients like the Heart to make other T5 works like the proposed Gronti. Even then, a big part of the draw is ensuring the Gronti runs forever yes? I assume we teach our apprentices how to recharge and maintain Gronti as it's part of our knowledge bank and they'd go on to teach their own apprentices the same, thus while there remains a fully taught Runesmith under our teaching line (or dozens of others who also have this knowledge) the Gronti may be maintained and recharged.

By making the armour, we also live longer and as such we are able to produce more apprentices who both know the Gronti maintenance rituals and will teach their own apprentices the same. In that effect putting the the heart on the armour is an exponentially increasing boost for the Dawi (which admittedly starts off small) as compared to a single static boost the Gronti represents.
 
Do we have official word that Tier 5 Gromril is Glimril? I always thought it was something else entirely, or some kind of alloy or something else outside the 3 main types of Gromril.
We don't know, unless there's been a WoG I've missed.
 
Against normal foes sure. But daemons are more magical than physical and Snorri is more suited for taking out magical enemies than the Gronti.
We ain't the Everqueen to be able to dispel daemons out of existence.

And then, we give the gronti a big Daemonbane axe and the 'problem', such as it was, is solved.
2) How big of a Pure Gromril golem can we make?
2. As big as you want. though anything larger than a bloodthirster will start dealing with weight issues.
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Here's a simpler view for the putting it on the armour, the longer Snorri lives, the more works he creates for the Dawi, the more chances he gets to procure other T5 ingredients like the Heart to make other T5 works like the proposed Gronti. Even then, a big part of the draw is ensuring the Gronti runs forever yes? I assume we teach our apprentices how to recharge and maintain Gronti as it's part of our knowledge bank and they'd go on to teach their own apprentices the same, thus while there remains a fully taught Runesmith under our teaching line (or dozens of others who also have this knowledge) the Gronti may be maintained and recharged.

By making the armour, we also live longer and as such we are able to produce more apprentices who both know the Gronti maintenance rituals and will teach their own apprentices the same. In that effect putting the the heart on the armour is an exponentially increasing boost for the Dawi (which admittedly starts off small) as compared to a single static boost the Gronti represents.
I get the appeal, but I think we can make armor that's almost as awesome without the Heart, but a gronti that's nowhere near as potent from the simple fact that there is no bigger possible upgrade to the MR of Awakening and the Heart, and also my discussion on first page on how I believe there's plain more room to use unlimited power in a huge golem than on a suit of armor.
 
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... A Bloosthirster-sized pure-gromril gronti with Adamant skin, bearing three adamant axes and hopefully all three of the Master Runes of the Ancestors... is nothing special?

What would you consider a special golem, then?

Three master runes on the same item is not possible atm. You probably meant each axe having a master rune.

Anyway, it is nothing special in so far that everything about it worthwhile would be such because of the adamant spent both on it and on the various armaments.
And it would at its core be the same as any other gronti, other than tougher and killier, due to adamant invested.

What part of the gronti above needs the Heart?

What would I consider special?

In no particular order: Gronti being able to phase through earth, gronti having a localized gravity well with an IFF, gronti being an extremely tough and portable healing device, gronti being a mobile no-magic/no-daemon zone...
 
I have a suggestion regarding the KotS Armor. In the action description it's stated pretty bluntly that the armor isnt really meant to protect him as he's already tough as hell but rather it's to boost his magical abilities.

As such I think we shouldn't make his armor out of gromril but instead i think it should be made almost entirely out of materials from the Elder Frostwyrm and Kholek. Not only should the materials give an inherent boost to the Runes power but the KotS himself has an inherent connection to them as he ate their hearts to gain power.

I was also thinking we could have the armors appearance be similar to a griffins and split in the middle with the front half and wings being made mostly from the Frostwyrm and made to resemble it while the back half is made mostly from Kholeks materials and made to resemble the lower half of a Dragon Ogre. Just like how the the griffins front half looks like a bird and the rear looks like a jaguar.
 
I have a suggestion regarding the KotS Armor. In the action description it's stated pretty bluntly that the armor isnt really meant to protect him as he's already tough as hell but rather it's to boost his magical abilities.

As such I think we shouldn't make his armor out of gromril but instead i think it should be made almost entirely out of materials from the Elder Frostwyrm and Kholek. Not only should the materials give an inherent boost to the Runes power but the KotS himself has an inherent connection to them as he ate their hearts to gain power.

I was also thinking we could have the armors appearance be similar to a griffins and split in the middle with the front half and wings being made mostly from the Frostwyrm and made to resemble it while the back half is made mostly from Kholeks materials and made to resemble the lower half of a Dragon Ogre. Just like how the the griffins front half looks like a bird and the rear looks like a jaguar.
Gromril, Pure Gromril especially, empowers runes more than other materials. And we can already add Kholek's and Frostwyrm hide to it.
 
Gromril, Pure Gromril especially, empowers runes more than other materials. And we can already add Kholek's and Frostwyrm hide to it.
Not sure if making the KotS's armor out of Pure Gromil is all that affordable tho. The dude is massive, whereas steel or better than normal steel would work just as well for him. Is it a nice gesture? Sure, but ultimately not needed imo.
 
Not sure if making the KotS's armor out of Pure Gromil is all that affordable tho. The dude is massive, whereas steel or better than normal steel would work just as well for him. Is it a nice gesture? Sure, but ultimately not needed imo.
We found a top-tier Gromril mine right back in the first update (I think we actually own it?), and it's just all-round a lot more common in this time period too.
 
Not sure if making the KotS's armor out of Pure Gromil is all that affordable tho. The dude is massive, whereas steel or better than normal steel would work just as well for him. Is it a nice gesture? Sure, but ultimately not needed imo.
We can do him up in Pure Gromril for sure, that's been talked about before with soulcake.
 
Pure Gromril is easily affordable for us.
We found a top-tier Gromril mine right back in the first update (I think we actually own it?), and it's just all-round a lot more common in this time period too.
We can do him up in Pure Gromril for sure, that's been talked about before with soulcake.
Yeah my bad, forgot that part since it's been a few days. While I personaly still think it's a bit much considering that other Dwarfs may dislike the fact that there is a non-dwarf running around with that much Pure Gromril, it's a non-factor as far as I've seen so far so it's not even a issue.
 
Why do runes need maintenance? Do they use up their energy, or get worn down physically? Or is it just a metaphysical 'runes don't last forever' thing?

Because if it's one of the first two reasons, could The Greedy One's Heart be used to make runes that could go way longer without maintenance? Or potentially not need it at all?
 
Why do runes need maintenance? Do they use up their energy, or get worn down physically? Or is it just a metaphysical 'runes don't last forever' thing?

Because if it's one of the first two reasons, could The Greedy One's Heart be used to make runes that could go way longer without maintenance? Or potentially not need it at all?
The Greedy Heart makes whatever Rune its used on last without maintenance.
 
@soulcake, could you tell us if a Rune of Inertia is something we can consider ourselves to have in our rune library?

If not, is it something we could research?
You have a Rune of Weight, which does increase your actual mass to make you heavier, but no one really uses it on anything besides a counterweight.

No research available or likely possible beyond a certain point. Mostly due to my lack of expertise in the field and leeriness about futzing with physics. Which is weird considering its warhammer, but that's more a clean break than it is twisting the definition and laws of reality to the point of a gordian knot.
 
Hmm... I'm now wondering if it'd be possible to combo the Rune of Weight with the Rune of Passage and something else to get an effect where you're heavier, but don't exert any extra mass on the ground beneath you. It'd be kind of impractical for actual use, obviously, as you'd either have to take up your master rune slot or all three runes spots to get a single low-priority effect, but it's an interesting idea. To me, at least.
 
You have a Rune of Weight, which does increase your actual mass to make you heavier, but no one really uses it on anything besides a counterweight.

No research available or likely possible beyond a certain point. Mostly due to my lack of expertise in the field and leeriness about futzing with physics. Which is weird considering its warhammer, but that's more a clean break than it is twisting the definition and laws of reality to the point of a gordian knot.

Hmmm. Alright. If we can't be literal, then how about metaphorical? Do we possess a Rune of the Mountain? I could see that making a solid replacement, given the dwarven association between mountains and unbreakable, unmovable eternity.

Edit: Sorry, unfinished omake.
 
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So random thought, but it might be sort of fun to have a nega-Dolgi Apprentice at some point.

You know, lot of power, but a bit shiftless by Dwarf standards.
 
More like he spends a lot of time thinking about what runes to do, and not enough, like, actually making runic stuff? But when he does do stuff it's good.

(Or you know, just super relaxed and content)
ahh so by the end of us teaching him he would have average to slightly above average speed on actually making stuff. because I don't see snorri letting his apprentice get away with being slow
 
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Snerra's breath was quick in her chest, and she struggled to keep the dignified pace of a runesmith as she hurried home, treasure clutched tightly in her arms. She failed completely to keep the grin off her face.

Well. That was alright. There was no one here but Thimdur and Balin Bryggeroot, and they knew the reason for her cheer.

Thimdur chuckled as she juggled her parcel, trying to fish the key to her workshop from a pocket. "Need a hand with that, lass?"

She gratefully handed him the bulky object and slotted her key home with a click. "Thank you!" she said, taking it back and disappearing inside. She reappeared momentarily, peeking around the door. "Um. You probably won't see me for another eight, maybe ten years? So, um, thank you. And I'm going to leave the door unlocked - could you ask Magda to bring me some ale and stonebread every two years or so?"

Thimdur raised an eyebrow. "Don't want to 'pull a Master Snorri', eh?"

Snerra felt certain at that moment that if Dolgi suddenly appeared beside her, she'd still be the reddest dwarf in the room.

"But- where- you-...MMMMPH!" she said, flailing for speech.

Her bodyguards were bent over laughing. Oh, well, at least her suffering was entertaining. The Wazzocks.

They recovered before she did. "It's alright, lass, it's alright. We won't tell a soul." Balin's eyes twinkled as he mimed turning a key over his mouth. "We'll see you're supplied and keep anyone else away."

Snerra groped for a retort before giving up. She sighed, and smiled back at them, cheeks still glowing. "Thank you. Um. 'Till then!" she said, and retreated behind her door.

She hurried back into the workshop, thoughts of the imminent future crowding out embarrassment. She really did need to ask Fjolla how to deal with this kind of thing, though.

Even if Balin did have a very handsome beard.

***​

Snerra had always preferred a more open workshop than Master Snorri, even if he was right about the inefficiency. Ideas and work just flowed better for her when she could move around freely. The old blacksmith's forge she'd rented wasn't ideal, but the Flintfoots had happily signed her a century's lease in exchange for runing the facility, and that was good enough for now.

She felt that old, familiar flutter in her chest as she pulled on her forge garments. A long sleeved shirt and trousers of soft salamander leather, tooled with prayers to Thungni and geometric designs. A drake-hide apron, still embarrassingly new after only a century of use. A short cloth band to tie back her plaits. Picking up tongs, she gripped a pure gromril ingot and placed it gently into the heart of the forge.

The flames licked over the metal as she stoked the bellows higher. She glanced at her little statue of Thungni, biting her lip.

A silly, almost childish thought bubbled up in her brain, but somehow it felt right.

"Wish me luck!" she asked Thungni, and then turned and set to work.

***​

Snerra brought her hammer down, drawing out the contour of the shoulder.

And Thungni found a cavern, and within it a great, glittering realm

She tilted her strikes as she neared the edge, drawing out a slight lip that would help seat the pauldron when the armour was finished.

And plucked from it gleaming seeds of power, that he might give to the dwarves.

Watching the metal closely, she sniffed, and found herself satisfied.

This gift we carry, as servants of our Lord.​

......When had that stonebread gotten here?

***​

Snerra's heart sang with fevered creation, and her face ached from smiling.

Line upon delicate line bloomed across the gromril plates. Jagged peaks and graceful whorls leapt into being, flowing into each other like nothing she'd ever done before. The beautiful stream of creation halted only to allow her delicate calipers to make hundreds of measurements. Precision was critical. Everything, every detail had to be perfect. She would accept nothing less.

Was this what It felt like? Small wonder Master Snorri disappeared so. She'd chase this feeling for the rest of her life.

Properly engraving the breast and back plate alone took a year and a half. The pauldrons, greaves, vambraces, and other miscellaneous pieces took another eight months. As she finished each piece, she placed them in shallow trays of an acidic solution - mainly troll bile, but also a nostril-searing array of chemicals in small quantities. When she removed them weeks later, each engraved line leapt off the plate in a shiny, permanent, metallic black.

Of course, neutralizing the traces of acid took another month, but the effect was well worth the wait.

***​

While the chemicals took their effect, Snerra moved to the large, central worktable and released her prize from its burlap carry-sack.

The flat, grey, hexagonal pattern of an Ironback Tortoise shell gleamed at her in the forge-light.

She ran her hands lovingly over the pristine surface, chill to the touch. It shouldn't have been nearly so difficult to find, but with the influx of runelords from the south, and the memories of the war still fresh...

Well. She was just lucky that ranger Vraska had been so considerate to bring her the shell from his hunt! She'd have to make him something nice to thank him. Maybe a runed belt, something to keep him warm out there in the weather.

Distractions falling away, she began clamping the shell into place. She'd already laid a thin, flexible metal sheet down over the tabletop; the shell now rested on top of that sheet. Tightening the last clamp, she picked up a bit-and-brace and placed the point in the center of a hexagon on the shell-edge, just over where the tortoise's head would have been.

She took a breath, leaned her weight on the brace, and watched as the blade began carving miniscule shavings from the shell.

***
The bit made a thunk as it pierced the shell for the final time, leaving a hole in the central hexagon to match those in every other. Straightening with a satisfying crick, she hopped down off the table and quickly undid the clamps. She removed the shell, careful not to disturb the piles of shell-dust that had formed underneath. Placing it to one side, she moved to the end of the table and grasped the metal sheet. Rolling it to form a U shape, she lifted her end, sending the shell-dust gently skimming down into a collection bowl she'd placed at the other end.

There. Now, she could begin.

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Eighteen strikes mark the first line, alternating in strength between strikes of five hair-widths depth in steel, and 13 hair-widths depth in steel.

On the fifth line, strike three times with each indrawn breath, four times with each exhale.

On the seventh line, begin pouring the reagent evenly into the forming rune, striking every three heartbeats.


The hardest part was always, always, keeping her heart rate slow enough to swing her hammer on pace.

Beneath rapturous eyes, the rune glowed and took shape.

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Her chisel switched from line to line.

Faster

Each move precise, each strike exact.

Faster
Gromril on gromril, ringing through the forge.

Faster
Sweat dripping down her brow, but never yielding hesitation.

Faster
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Snerra's hammer rose and fell with almighty crashes. The end was in sight. She could taste it.

Power Flows.
The rune demanded utmost vigor. She gave it that, and exaltation besides.

Will guides it
The form was life, beneath her eyes. She bade it, BE! And it was so.

Let song remind you
Her chisel sang with culmination, ten years in a moment.

Let mind shape it
The rune glowed red.

It was done.

Snerra saw what she had wrought, and wept.

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Eight months later....

Jorri approved of his daughter's choice in dwellings. Tucked away in one of the warmer sections of the hold, her quarters were located on a side-tunnel off one of the markets, and the scent of fresh stonebread hung permanently in the air. Her door was painted a cheerful red, enhanced by thin geometric designs in gold.

He rapped his customary greeting on the door. No guarantee she'd be in, of course, he was a month early, but either way he'd see her soon eno-WHOOF

"DA!" yelled the missile currently straining his ribs.

He hugged her back just as tightly, hooking his stump around her shoulders as his good hand thumped her back. "Ancestors, girl, what are they feeding you? Or did someone just swap out my daughter for an ogre when I wasn't looking?"

She laughed into his chest. "Oh, Da." she said, not the least upset. She let him go, grinning up at him. "I missed you."

"I missed you too, Snerra. Now, you certainly seem fine, but is everything alright? Your letter had me a mite worried."

"I'm fine, Da. Here, come in, I have a gift for you!" She disappeared inside, leaving the door hanging open behind her.

"A gift? I appreciate it, lass, but what was so urgen-"

Jorri stopped in the hallway, for one of a handful of moments in his life, struck utterly dumb.

The gromril armour stood on a wutroth display stand in the middle of her living room, candle and fire light dancing in its polished surfaces. The plates took a rounded, graceful design, more segmented than usual, and Jorri knew it was to ensure his comfort on the roads. One arm ended in a gromril cap, but he could see that the penultimate piece was slightly wider than the rest of the arm - she'd made it to be compatible with his new prosthetic, once Snorri finally got around to making it.

What drew his eyes, though, were the engravings. Commanding the center of the breastplate was a great, six-spoked wagon wheel, somehow seeming in motion even as it stood still. In the spaces between the spokes, in trilateral symmetry, glowed three runes. He recognized them. Protection, Speed and Fortitude. Surrounding them, covering every inch between the spokes and outside the wheel, was a map of the Karaz Ankor. A quick peek around verified that the map extended over the backplate as well. He knew within his bones it was as accurate as an engineer's map too.

"I thought, if you're ever lost, you'll have a map home." A pause. "Do you like it?"

Jorri turned, and saw, fidgeting with her plaits, Snerra. His daughter, woman grown, journeyman runesmith. A prodigy destined for heady heights, if Snorri was to be believed. And yet, somehow, still very much his little girl.

"Lass." he said, words returning to him. "If I live to be as old as Grungni, I'll still not cherish anything more."

He hugged her, and if her eyes and his eyes were a little misty, they both pretended not to notice.

She broke the hug first. "You scared me." He waited, questioningly. "When you came back like- when I saw that-" Her hand rested gently on his stump. "It's not safe out there. Not even in the underway. Not anymore. So....I had to do what I could."

"It's...incredible, Snerra, I don't know -"

"I need you to promise me, Da." She cut him off. "Promise me you'll wear it on the road. Even in the underway. No matter what. Alright?"

"Snerra-"

"Promise me!"

And if the desperation in her voice wasn't enough, the fear and pain he saw in her eyes certainly was.

"I swear it on my beard, lass."

She sobbed, and they hugged, and neither of them felt any pressing need to do otherwise for a good while after.
 
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