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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

Please endeavour to be cordial. :^)
 
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Captain Spatula said:
I'm still wondering if studying this rune and the master rune of Valaya will give Snorri some insight into a possible master rune of regeneration. Personally I feel that would be a better rune for a banner that will have a place of prominence in Valaya's healing hall. It would probably require studying more than just those 2 master runes. Very long term goal.


Study all 3 of these runes. Comparing master rune of the tireless with the master rune of unyielding. Find where exactly the overlap of not tiring is. Then compare the MR of unyielding with the MR of Valaya to see if the self heal aspects overlap.

It should probably lead to insight into a Rune of Tireless and a Rune of Regeneration. Pair those 2 Runes with a MR of Valaya and I think that would be one of the better combos we could get for the Healing Halls.

The Matrons are tireless in their dedication to the Ancestor God Valaya, helping Dawi and Griffin alike (probably) with their dedication to the healing arts.

This banner would probably never need to be moved from the temple, it'll purely be a banner to encourage self recovery for those too badly hurt for battlefield healing to manage. Having a more battle focused healing banner could work out as well, using a similar method.

Proposed Rune of Regeneration, Rune of Spelleating and Master Rune of Valaya. Her aegis protects warriors from hostile magic, draining the magic behind it to bolster Dawi healing.
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Yeah really long term stuff, and because of that it's also not really exactly what I'm going for with these write ins and this project and stuff.

But regardless, this as a future project after the Banner and/or Armor I've written write ins for makes sense to me. Especially if we go about studying the Master Rune of Unyielding in the near future/next ten turns while working towards the Banner. And it's not like we can't stack them if we wish. I'm sure they'd appreciate it.
 
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BungieONI said:
But regardless, this as a future project after the Banner and/or Armor I've written write ins for makes sense to me. Especially if we go about studying the Master Rune of Unyielding in the near future/next ten turns while working towards the Banner. And it's not like we can't stack them if we wish. I'm sure they'd appreciate it.
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If the armor wins over the banner that could be a good way to make a Amazing banner without the T5 heart.
I think the armor would be better to use the heart on, because if we make the banner we can spend awhile researching and make a better banner(since from my understanding snorri's knowledge on the runes makes them better so if snorri has researched all three of the runes going on something I honestly think it might be better then using a tier 5 ingredient on something without researching any)
But either way the only reason I'm more likely to go for the armor over the banner is because hte armor dosen't need anymore research.
 
dbRevned said:
If the armor wins over the banner that could be a good way to make a Amazing banner without the T5 heart.
I think the armor would be better to use the heart on, because if we make the banner we can spend awhile researching and make a better banner(since from my understanding snorri's knowledge on the runes makes them better so if snorri has researched all three of the runes going on something I honestly think it might be better then using a tier 5 ingredient on something without researching any)
But either way the only reason I'm more likely to go for the armor over the banner is because hte armor dosen't need anymore research.
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Yeah it might be. My personal preference would be to make the Matron's Banner and then make Spatula's suggestion. I think we get more use and gain more from having these things be distinct projects. More healing banners, more rune knowledge etc.
 
I really would like to get the next tier of rune metal and a talisman equivalent to the unyielding rune. Make a talisman with the Greedy Heart in whatever is beyond Adamant that reinvigorates us. We can wear it on the field of battle and we can wear it while we do our runic work and research. As it is Gromil is a boost to runic items, Adamant the next level is a bigger boost so the final T5 metal should be even more of a boost to runic items and pairing a T5 rune metal with a T5 reagent and a very good combo seems like a winner to me.

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Also we have a good amount of T4 mats to play around with so maybe make something using those? Though I imagine we will tap into some of those for the king of the sky armor

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And really wishing we could figure out a way to apply the master rune of purification to a weapon as I imagine that would be a very good anti-daemon/anti-magic weapon
 
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I honestly would like to research more metals and make runes for them. There could be come interesting things in that. For example copper is a natural antibiotic and anti fungus so it could make for good healing effect and a hell of a anti Nurgle weaponry.
 
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BungieONI said:
Not entirely sure if we can use two ingredients on the Master Rune of Unyielding @soulcake can you clarify this please?

Anyway! Even if we can't, we can use Stonehorn Horns or the Heart, and the idea is to use Runes of Fortitude and Preservation in support of the Master Rune of Unyielding, something like "This perfectly sealed bastion will make the wearer unyielding, bolstering their fortitude and supporting them in their endeavors."

The idea here is that so far of the three offered combat events, we've taken all of them. It is also a dangerous world out there so combat is going to happen, and with the trend we have of taking all of them, being a very good anti-spell caster and army support, and the Unbreakable and Untiring/Tireless bonuses we provide in a defensive siege or while protecting the helpless having an armor to use that is better than our current is worth it in my mind. Even if it takes a century or more for every combat to appear, it will be used and help keep Snorri alive. However people have raised concerns over quantity of use, and some quality of use, and the Banner will get used more often.

(E: also thing I forgot, but since the Armor and Banner are made using Gromril derivatives, they're going to benefit in quality. The Armor more so since it's primarily Adamant and its entire function is bound up in being made of the metal.)

Furthermore is that we can start the design this turn, and finish it next turn when we have our final Adamant bar I think? Can you confirm @soulcake? Regardless, even if we can't we'll have three bars starting turn 23 so we could start work on it then if we wanted. If we want to spend Adamant on the King of the Skies armor, then we could start work on the Eternal Bastion on turn 26. No research needed, nothing but Adamant is all we're waiting on. This is significant leverage over my own proposal of the Matron's Banner, but goes to show we can make use of the Heart soon if we wish to for those interested in that option.
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1. Yes, but prepare for wacky hijinks. Theres a reason why Runelords and Runesmiths stick with 1 reagent.
2. Yeah basically add one to your current adamant total if youre doing anything with it that turn. I wont lawyer you over that stuff.
 
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soulcake said:
1. Yes, but prepare for wacky hijinks. Theres a reason why Runelords and Runesmiths stick with 1 reagent.
2. Yeah basically add one to your current adamant total if youre doing anything with it that turn. I wont lawyer you over that stuff.
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Good to know. @BelligerentGnu in that case are you okay with wacky hijinks? Or do you just want one? Other folks thoughts on this thing in particular?

I'm okay with it, but it is one thing I'm definitely okay with changing if other folks want to.
 
Please, don't use your once-in-a-lifetime irreplaceable uber reagent in anything that can be described with "first time I'm doing something like this".
 
kinglugia said:
Do we get to at least experiment with the dual reagents combo thing first?
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I don't think it'd really help in this case because like; One thing is an entirely unique reagent, and each reagent has a unique meaning in the Warp and Runes.

We could but like... how would we get applicable data when one of our proposed reagents is unique?

I'm totally willing to play it safe with just the Heart though on the Master Rune of Unyielding(That's what I was arguing for the past couple days)... or on the Rune of Healing, but that's ech. Not what I'm really going for, nor what I've spent the last like three days arguing for.
 
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Personally, my sense of irony wants to use the Heart for something that will create new resources for us, like an improved Adamant Smelter (or whatever smelter comes after Adamant). The idea that The Greedy One who sought to steal dwarf treasures would be the source of endless dwarf treasures appeals to me.

On a different subject though, I definitively think our top priority right now should be finding apprentices for one reason so obvious that the thread might've overlooked it.

We just got 4 more Runelords in the Hold.

How many of them are going to look for apprentices any time soon? :thonk:

If we don't hurry, then they might call dibs on the best ones! :o
 
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On a different subject though, I definitively think our top priority right now should be finding apprentices for one reason so obvious that the thread might've overlooked it.

We just got 4 more Runelords in the Hold.

How many of them are going to look for apprentices any time soon? :thonk:

If we don't hurry, then they might call dibs on the best ones! :o
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Great Scott you're right!
 
Once upon a time, I was jealous of our Apprentice. "Greatest genius of a generation" they said, "unparalleled Gift". I was but a beardling then, barely a few dozen thousand words in.

Then, Snorri forged incredible, Legendary item after Legendary item. He made Adamant. The got a tiny nod of approval from Grimnir himself. I knew I was wrong.

But only upon reading the Siege of Kraka Drakk did I realize how wrong I was. If it weren't for the fact that becoming a Slayer was still in the process of being invented, I'd shave my head in shame!

This far, and no further!
 
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@BungieONI I kind of want to see a third option, myself. Or rather, the first one. The old idea, and the original one -- a simple (but cool) Golem. Ymir.

No frills or super feature creep. No gathering up of Adamant bars in absurd numbers that would take tens of turns. Just a big Gronti made of Pure Gromril and, maybe, with enough Adamant to cover it in armor or give it a boost however it works.

Master Rune of Awakening, Rune of Might, Rune of Fortitude. (Those were the usual 3 Runes you favored for it, I think.) 5-8 Adamant Bars if need be. And the Greedy Heart. Whatever size it was you wanted it to be, I forget. And that's it.

You've said that you'd grown tired of the idea... but that was because all of us felt like we wanted to add our own unique twist or touch to the Golem, isn't it? First one person wanted to give it a full set of equipment, another wanted to give it a crossbow, another person would debate the size, and everyone would debate whether to make it fully or partly of Adamant or Pure Gromril or what. At first it seemed harmless and fun to do; it was like playing with legos, and everyone wanted to have fun and contribute to the design or brainstorming of it! So it was like a literal case of too many cooks spoiling the soup, by the end.

But, okay, let's forget all that. Let's just bring it back to basics: 3 Runes, Pure Gromril, the Greedy Heart, and some Adamant.

If we just lock in the idea of Ymir like that, then there will be no more feature creep and endless 'design hell' going for it, right?

So, let's just do it.
 
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