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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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Red Bovine said:
Thing is that we can probably accomplish something similar without comboing. Kholek's armor is pretty much just geared towards dragging lighting towards him which works pretty well due to his natural traits.
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You misunderstand. I'm fine with not ending up with combos, but Kholek is too much of a tank. Besides the armor likely providing more protection than standard Heavy Armor as in TT, it also means he's healing more often than not from lightning.

Ergo, the King of the Sky is gonna need weaponry as well. Period. Combo or not. And we have excellent tools (materials and runes available) to facilitate that. So if we can and are willing in addition to actual armor, why the hell not?
 
Red Bovine said:
Problem is that Kholek is coming right the fuck now and if people keep pushing things off then the Sky King is just going to end up going into battle without any armor whatsoever because people forgot that time doesn't stand still when a freaking disaster is happening at the very moment. The Sky King is pretty much the equivelant of a Demi God of his race who has likely grown even more powerful after eating the heart of an Elder Dragon. The guy has plenty of killing power as is and feel like that we just need to accept that we should prioritize his defense. And again, armor seems incredibly unlikely to combo due to the number of runes available being limited.
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Kholek is much bigger, much older and more experienced, has his own legendary magic items, and is blessed by the Chaos Gods. He also has the type advantage being empowered by lightning which is a major part of the Sky King's toolset.

I expect that the Sky King will be be very throughly outclassed in everything save mobility as he is now, and unless we want him to run away when Kholek attacks, we need to close those gaps both in terms of defence and killing power.

Note the severe trouble he has dealing with an already injured dragon when he had help, a J.D. it still took hours. When Kholek attacks our dwarven heroes will probably have been drawn off to defend against an underground invasion, meaning he has to solo the Suneater.

Zedman7054 said:
Talking about armoring up the Sky King, was it ever decided what materials we wanted in exchange for his armor? Because maybe we could get some Dragon Ogre mats, or some deamon pieces to either research or use (I think those can be used, or at least deamon blood should) or other Chaos-aligned materials, allowing the Gryphons to not go out on some extraneous hunt in the middle of a Demonic Incursion.
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It has become even more clear, to me at least, that we should use his favour to upgrade his armour, as we need all the help we can get on the siege, and he'll be an even greater help if he's more capable.

I also don't think we'd survive if he fights Kholek here and loses.
 
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Alratan said:
Kholek is much bigger, much older and more experienced, has his own legendary magic items, and is blessed by the Chaos Gods. He also has the type advantage being empowered by lightning which is a major part of the Sky King's toolset.
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Not to mention the King of the Sky probably can't even provide support fire on non Dragon Ogre targets around if he's too close to Kholek with lightning because Kholek's armor will drag it towards him.
 
Keeper of Dreams said:
while I would agree that there are people like that in the Hold, then why Haven't they done so already?, so many Holds have already fallen and only trickle of Refugee surviving?, If age is the only factor in considering someone Competent I would agree with you, If the Dwarf in charge of advising the king in matter of Fighting and almost losing a fight and has experience in Fighting the demons than our Santa Dwarf, then I would consider them Competent. Considering all that our Santa Dwarf has gone through in his life, I would say he is high up in top five of competent and wise Dwarf in that region of the North.
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Where are you getting the trickle of refugees bit? Pretty sure what you are referring to was only happening at the very beginning before the Underway that connected all holds so it's likely now that if a Hold gets overrun all dwarfs are able to evacuate. As is if the Dwarfs are only likely to abandon a hold if they are about to lose. Which makes sense considering that Dwarfs are prideful and stubborn people.

So again, it's not only not out jobs in this situation but better to just leave it to others more competent since our actions are better geared towards other things.
 
What about this for an offensive armor combo? Call it something like The Falling Blade:

Master Rune of Adamant, to make to KotS effectively on giant flying meteor.

Rune of Cleaving, to cut his target in two,

And Rune of Daemon Slaying, to synergize with cleaving.

The idea being that this armor enables the KotS to just fall beak-and-talons first out of the skies and slice through a ground target without stopping.
 
BelligerentGnu said:
What about this for an offensive armor combo? Call it something like The Falling Blade:

Master Rune of Adamant, to make to KotS effectively on giant flying meteor.

Rune of Cleaving, to cut his target in two,

And Rune of Daemon Slaying, to synergize with cleaving.

The idea being that this armor enables the KotS to just fall beak-and-talons first out of the skies and slice through a ground target without stopping.
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We don't know the Master Rune of Adamant.
 
wonder if we can make something to absorb all the lighting from the area or even directly from the dragon ogres or whatever energy that boosts them?
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
Not to mention the King of the Sky probably can't even provide support fire on non Dragon Ogre targets around if he's too close to Kholek with lightning because Kholek's armor will drag it towards him.
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Worse, this probably also suppresses or makes it very dangerous for him to use his lightning flash jump, and may even drain him if power if he's continually producing lightning if he gets too close.

The Chaos Gods have sent an enemy pretty much tailored to kill the King of the Skies. I think we need to strain every sinew right avoid that. Now is not the time for half measures.

Not to mention his hammer Starbreaker and how gromril comes from fallen stars...
 
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Red Bovine said:
Where are you getting the trickle of refugees bit?
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Pretty sure it's from here.

soulcake said:
"We're under siege for eight years, lose two of the outer walls, getting flooded with refugees and this idiot gets it into his fool brain to exhaust himself!" she grumbles loud enough for you to hear.
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soulcake said:
The Gate falls with a crash and explosion of metal and wood. The remaining defenders, those who chose not to or were too stubborn to leave, charge the oncoming swarm of daemons buying time for the underway entrance to be collapsed and for their kin to escape.

It takes only five swings of the titanic monster's hammer to slaughter them all.

The Suneater looks around the cracked open Dwarfhold, daemons rushing past him, snorts then bellows.

"FIND THE ENTRANCE TO THEIR PATHWAYS AND CLEAR THEM. WE WILL SLAUGHTER THEM FROM BELOW."
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I mean it's not like he doesnt have a point.
 
Alratan said:
Kholek is much bigger
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Wait is he? Just going by Warhammer Total War here, KotS was described as the size of a mammoth plus wings, and Kholek is smaller than a mammoth in that game, though not by much. I know that Kholeks dad is supposedly mountain-sized, but I haven't heard anything about big K himself being much bigger than a hero-level Shaggoth in the lore.
 
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Chronic said:
Wait is he? Just going by Warhammer Total War here, KotS was described as the size of a mammoth plus wings, and Kholek is smaller than a mammoth in that game. I know that Kholeks dad is supposedly mountain-sized, but I haven't heard anything about him being much bigger than a hero-level Shaggoth.
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He's taller than the walls and temples of Praag, so multiple stories tall.

The walls of Praag were, IIRC taller than a bonegrinder giant, which are themselves over a hundred feet tall.

He's not mountain sized, but he's still basically a kajiu. He's probably a good five times as tall as the King of the Skies.
 
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Wonder if he has any other Dragon Ogres or Shaggoths with him? On one hand, he has the pedigree for it even without the later legends and deeds from destroying people that weren't Dragons.

On the other hand, potential competition for the King of the Sky's heart.
 
Alratan said:
He's taller than the walls and temples of Praag, so multiple stories tall.

The walls of Praag were, IIRC taller than a bonegrinder giant, which are themselves over a hundred feet tall.

He's not mountain sized, but he's still basically a kajiu. He's probably a good five times as tall as the King of the Skies.
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Guess he's as big as the respective writers need him to be? Big enough to tower over Praags walls, but also small enough that CA can fit him through their standardized city gates. Gamagoori Kholek lol.

But we'd better assume the worst case scenario.

EVA-Saiyajin said:
Wonder if he has any other Dragon Ogres or Shaggoths with him? On one hand, he has the pedigree for it even without the later legends and deeds from destroying people that weren't Dragons.

On the other hand, potential competition for the King of the Sky's heart.
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I wonder if the dragon ogres already made their pact with the chaos gods that granted them immortality by consuming lightning, or if this is something the species gained specifically by having their greatest hero devour the heart of a storm god on the orders of the chaos gods...
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
Wonder if he has any other Dragon Ogres or Shaggoths with him? On one hand, he has the pedigree for it even without the later legends and deeds from destroying people that weren't Dragons.

On the other hand, potential competition for the King of the Sky's heart.
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He calls that 'appetizers'. Proabably has a few or atleast a big enough army of Daemons for it not to really matter.
 
Chronic said:
I wonder if the dragon ogres already made their pact with the chaos gods that granted them immortality by consuming lightning, or if this is something the species gained specifically by having their greatest hero devour the heart of a storm god on the orders of the chaos gods...
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Oh, they made that pact LOOOONG ago. Possibly even before the Lizardmen and Old Ones arrived, over 10,000 years ago.
 
Abhishek M said:
Pretty sure it's from here.


And here

I mean it's not like he doesnt have a point.
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Us getting flooded by refugees does make sense when you take into account that the Underway connects to us and we are one of the biggest holds which has a connection to the south. Besides that I was referring to the 'trickle' which implies that they aren't surviving when that isn't the case.
 
So, thinking about rune combinations, I think this one would be an interesting combination after the confrontation with Kohlek Suneater.

Master Rune of Purification, Rune of Spelleating, Rune of Flame; The Sunmaker. The idea, hopefully, would be to contrast Kohlek's Suneater legend with a talisman designed to eat spells, feed the magic through the Master Rune of Purification to generate immense amounts of heat, and then trigger the rune of flame to create tremendous amounts of directed heat and fire. Something like this would also feed pretty well into King Ironarm's heat/fire thing we have going on for him.

Either way, I think having an item to contrast and remember Kohlek's pretty much inevitable assault against our Hold would be pretty swell.
 
In truth guys...I feel that after the King of the Skies has been frankly incredibly generous for the terms of the initial agreement and bro-like, as well as being a valuable ally in combat, and a source of potentially a T5 reagent in the future via the deal, especially if we deck him out to kill said reagent source...that I care more about his survival than forging a super golem (whose composition and size we will be forever arguing about) sometime in the future.

I propose we make a Talisman for him, the reagents: a bar of Adamant and the Greedy Troll's Heart. If not that, than armor with a Greedy Heart powered Rune of Fortitude.
[ ] The Greedy One's Heart: This thing has been transferred to a warded container because you don't really trust anything that came from that thing. You're all but certain you could make a truly potent Rune of Healing or Fortitude with this thing, but perhaps there are other uses for it you could come up with that a battery of tests could reveal.[Cost: (4 -1) =3 actions] Student of the Odd will proc
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Hell, between the equipment he gets and the deal he could probably FIND US another T5 troll.
 
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EVA-Saiyajin said:
In truth guys...I feel that after the King of the Skies has been frankly incredibly generous for the terms of the initial agreement and bro-like, as well as being a valuable ally in combat, and a source of potentially a T5 reagent in the future via the deal, especially if we deck him out to kill said reagent source...that I care more about his survival than forging a super golem (whose composition and size we will be forever arguing about) sometime in the future.

I propose we make a Talisman for him, the reagents: a bar of Adamant and the Greedy Troll's Heart.

Hell, between the equipment he gets and the deal he could probably FIND US another T5 troll.
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You want the Regeneration Amulet then? Well for the Shogoth brain, bones and skin. Plus the promise of a heart of some other legendary troll I could see us letting it go.

There is supposed to be a few other named ones in Troll Country right? But sadly I think people are a bit too attached to it and the Golem idea.
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  • [X] Plan For the Dragon Hold and Armor!
    -[X] [Difficult] Dowry Pt. 2: [Cost: (3 -1) =2 actions] Productivity Like No Other will proc. Due in 1 Turn. 2 Actions. Use Elder Wyrm Blood on the Hailmantle Cloak and T4 Dragonhide for both Cloaks. Use T4 Elder Wyrm Bone, Pure Gromril and Hearthstones for the Amulet.
    -[X] [Difficult] A Royal Panoply Pt. 2: With the runes squared away all that needs to be done is have the armour sets made. You've decided to use the Elder Wyrms hide instead of the one you've ordered. Just made good sense is all. [Cost: 2 actions] Productivity Like No Other will proc. 3 actions. Use 3 bars of Adamant for the King's Armor, Pure Gromril and Dragonbone for the Prince's armor. Use T4 Dragonhide as an underlayer in both armors.
    [X] Wedding Works
    [X] Plan For the Dragon Hold!
    -[X] [Difficult] Dowry Pt. 2: [Cost: (3 -1) =2 actions] Productivity Like No Other will proc. Due in 1 Turn. 3 Actions. Use Elder Wyrm Blood on the Hailmantle Cloak and T4 Dragonhide for both Cloaks. Use T4 Elder Wyrm Bone, Pure Gromril and Hearthstones for the Amulet.
    -[X] [Difficult] A Higher Standard Pt. 2: [Cost: 1 action] Productivity Like No Other will proc. 2 Actions. Use Elder Wyrm Bone and Elder Wyrm Hide.
    [X] Plan For the Dragon Hold and Testing!
    -[X] [Difficult] Dowry Pt. 2: [Cost: (3 -1) =2 actions] Productivity Like No Other will proc. Due in 1 Turn. 2 Actions. Use Elder Wyrm Blood on the Hailmantle Cloak and T4 Dragonhide for both Cloaks. Use T4 Elder Wyrm Bone, Pure Gromril and Hearthstones for the Amulet.
    -[X] [Difficult] A Higher Standard Pt. 2: [Cost: 1 action] Productivity Like No Other will proc. 2 Actions. Use Elder Wyrm Bone and Elder Wyrm Hide.
    -[X] C-c-combo Tester!: The format is as follows: Valiant Colossus, Gronti: [Master Rune of Awakening, Rune of Grimnir, Rune of Fortitude] [Cost: 1 action] 1 Action
    [X] Plan: Good Communication
    -[X] [Difficult] Dowry Pt. 2: [Cost: (3 -1) =2 actions] Productivity Like No Other will proc. Due in 1 Turn. 3 Actions. Use Elder Wyrm Blood on the Hailmantle Cloak and T4 Dragonhide for both Cloaks.
    -[X] Diction Direction: [Cost: (6 -4) =2 actions] Student of the Odd will proc. 2 Actions
    [X] Wedding Works
    -[X] [Difficult] A Royal Panoply Pt. 2: With the runes squared away all that needs to be done is have the armour sets made. You've decided to use the Elder Wyrms hide instead of the one you've ordered. Just made good sense is all. [Cost: 2 actions] Productivity Like No Other will proc. If a specific material, 3 "Bars" per Suit
    --[X] 3 actions
    ---[X] Adamant for Otrek
    ---[X] Pure Gromril with T4 Dragonhide and T4 Dragonbone for Gloin
    -[X] [Difficult] Dowry Pt. 2: Two cloaks and an amulet to be ready for the wedding of Prince Durabarr Stonehammer and Princess Orra Ironarm. All that needs to be done now is make the things. With the arrival of so much high-quality dragonhide, you've decided to use it instead of the hide you had ordered. A multi-piece project. [Cost: (3 -1) =2 actions] Productivity Like No Other will proc. Due in 1 Turn.
    --[X] 2 actions
    ---[X] Using Elder Frostwyrm Blood for the Hailmantle Cloak
    ---[X] Use T4 Elder Wyrm Bone, Pure Gromril and Hearthstones for the Amulet
    [X] Boon from the Sky: Write-in what you want from the King of the Skies. He can do a lot but be reasonable. In exchange, he expects a suit of armour. [Cost: Start Request, [Difficult] Plated Skies Pt. 1:] No Time Limit
    [X] Plan a Banner in a Decade is better than a Golem in a Century right now.
    -[X] [Difficult] Dowry Pt. 2: [Cost: (3 -1) =2 actions] Productivity Like No Other will proc. Due in 1 Turn. 2 Actions. Use Elder Wyrm Hide on the Cloaks and Elder Wyrm blood for the Hailmantle cloak.
    -[X] [Difficult] A Higher Standard Pt. 2: [Cost: 1 action] Productivity Like No Other will proc. 2 Actions. Use Elder Wyrm Bone and Elder Wyrm Hide.
    -[X] C-c-combo Tester!: The format is as follows: Valaya Banner: [Master Rune of Valaya, Rune of Santuary, Rune of Healing] [Cost: 1 action] 1 Action
    [X] Plan For the Dragon Hold!
    -[X] [Difficult] Dowry Pt. 2: [Cost: (3 -1) =2 actions] Productivity Like No Other will proc. Due in 1 Turn. 3 Actions. Use Elder Wyrm Blood on the Hailmantle Cloak and T4 Dragonhide for both Cloaks.
    -[X] [Difficult] A Higher Standard Pt. 2: [Cost: 1 action] Productivity Like No Other will proc. 2 Actions. Use Elder Wyrm Bone and Elder Wyrm Hide.
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@soulcake
The Griffon's equipment slots:
If we make something just for the Armor Slot, is our job done?

If we also make something for the weapon slots, given that on a griffon that would also take the form of armor, would we be overreaching, giving him something he doesn't want and didn't ask for?

If we do make something for the Weapon slots, are the 2 Weapon slots divided between Claws/Wings, Left/Right Claws, Front/Back Claws?

Could we squeeze a Talisman into the order as a Helmet without upsetting anyone?

Also, presuming we end up with 4 slots we decide to fill, could we deliver them one at a time as we finish them? Or must we finish all we set out to do before handing them over?

Lastly, so long as we've agreed on a price, must we receive payment before handing it over, or can we give him the armor and then have him use it to retrieve our payment?
 
Alratan said:
Kholek is much bigger, much older and more experienced, has his own legendary magic items, and is blessed by the Chaos Gods. He also has the type advantage being empowered by lightning which is a major part of the Sky King's toolset.

I expect that the Sky King will be be very throughly outclassed in everything save mobility as he is now, and unless we want him to run away when Kholek attacks, we need to close those gaps both in terms of defence and killing power.

Note the severe trouble he has dealing with an already injured dragon when he had help, a J.D. it still took hours. When Kholek attacks our dwarven heroes will probably have been drawn off to defend against an underground invasion, meaning he has to solo the Suneater.
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For gods sake what part of we practically literally do not have time don't you understand? You seem to be tunnel visioning to the point that you don't seem to be taking into account that we may only have this turn to make him the armor and waiting any longer can just have him be going into battle against Kholek without any advantage whatsoever because people were obsessing over maximizing everything when we didn't have the time for it. Would be really goddamn embarassing if the Sky King ended up dying when he could have been saved if he had armor which he only didn't have because people decided that it was a smart idea to spend more time than necessary when we knew he was coming.

Also no damn fear mongering. And you are with the way you structured the bolded part to act like the king would definitely not be able to help instead of maybe.
Alratan said:
He's taller than the walls and temples of Praag, so multiple stories tall.

The walls of Praag were, IIRC taller than a bonegrinder giant, which are themselves over a hundred feet tall.

He's not mountain sized, but he's still basically a kajiu. He's probably a good five times as tall as the King of the Skies.
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Also should point out that this is golden age Kholek so he likely isn't as big as his End Times counterpart.
 
I mean, I don't dislike the idea of a T5 troll heart empowered golem. It's cool and awesome. I just prefer the King of the Sky get something worthy and be kept alive (potentially facilitating that dream) more.
 
Really the only thing I've got to say is that the Northern Holds that have fallen are kind of in luck? When the incursion ends Grimnir is going to head north again. All the way to the polar gate. I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if he leads a throng to murder every daemon shit in the north before he gets there.

So the fallen holds are in luck compared to their southern counterparts. Their holds won't fall out of use and disrepair for over a thousand years, especially if we have any input in I I expect.

TehChron said:
The Miner, the Warrior, the Ranger, and Ymir the Smith?

A series of Gronti...and we could make a Priest to complete the set, methinks?
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Hmm, a long term work..

Rework the Miner into looking like Grungni the Ancestor God of Mining.
The Warrior can be shaped into Grimnir's likeness as the Ancestor God of Warriors (at this point and Slayers in the near future).
Ranger... I am drawing a blank. If this was time of woe I'd easily suggest Grombrindal. He's about as close as we'd get.
The Smith could easily be shaped into Smednir's image.
The Priest could maybe be Valaya?

Unless you only called it the Ranger because of the weapons, in which case it could be an Engineering Gronti and it could be shaped like Morgrim. If we do this I'd definitely want to complete the set of Ancestor God golems. So we'd need to make Gazul, sword and all and either have it stationed permanently in the Underway as the guard or maybe any communal mausoleums?
 
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