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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

Please endeavour to be cordial. :^)
 
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My take is:

Child - sees the clearest because they have no preconceptions or biases. They have nothing that taints their view.

Fullbeard - Sees the farthest because he's in the prime of his life and capable of making long-term plans to carry out.

Elder - Sees the most, because of their entire life giving them perspective.
 
Hm, to me it would be more:

Child - Farthest: kids are habitually big dreamers, without much grounding in reality.

Fullbeard - Most: They have a well-rounded perspective and are the most actively engaged in society, especially in Dawi society.

Elder - Clearest: A lifetime of lessons and regrets makes understanding very clear, ironically in spite of how many elders would have failing actual vision…
 
Child: the farthest
Fullbeard: the most
Elder: the clearest


The Child, unburdened by reality, dreams of changing the world. They look into the future imaging themselves as the best of their field, of inventing new techniques, runes, or inventions.

The Fullbeard no longer sees this far with their dreams tempered by cold reality. While they no longer dream of changing the world, they are still young enough to not have their world view calcified as the Elder has. They look at things as they are, not burdened by "should be" like the Elder or mystified by childish youth.

The Elder no longer dreams. They know their limits and while they work to surpass them they don't imaging themselves being among the Ancestor Gods. They don't see the most either, with their belief that "old is best" preventing them from seeing the beneficial advances in front of them. But they see themselves and their work like no other.


EDIT: I might have mixed Most and Clearest up. I shall have to think on it more.
 
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Well then, that's appropriately spooky. It looks like the glittering realm/wherever the Ancestors went is way underground and also very close to Izril. They're going to be happy when they find out. Snorri also just got direct confirmation the Ancestors are still around somewhere. He didn't really react much to that in this update but I'd like to see the retainers and Snorri react to that confirmation at some point.

I think Valaya's mad cause of the Karstah thing not because we didn't pick her statue.

As far as the order of statues, I'm not sure other than the Elder is absolutely not the one seeing clearest.
 
Yeah, I'm thinking that it's straight-up just in order. The Elder is obviously the one who's seen the most, but definitely not the clearest (since Dwarves- especially old Dwarves- are absolutely the most set in their ways and least likely to change from Conservative to Radical or vice versa), the Child is the one who sees the clearest- someone unburdened by experience and not calcified in the thoughts of others- and the Fullbeard sees the furthest, neither calcified as much as the Elder nor as inexperienced as the Child.
 
the fullbeard clearly sees the farthest because they are neither short from being very young nor stooped over from being old.

highest perspective gives the most distance.
 
Fullbeard is the answer to all of them. Fullbeard sees the most because he has twice the number of eyes, he sees the clearest because he has glasses, and he sees the farthest because he is far sighted.
 
Grail Knight Snorri showing up in Bretonnia in green full plate armor riding a giant goat proclaiming "For The Lady Valaya!" much to the confusion of the Bretonians
 
Yeah, it might be in order. Or that's where I'm gonna be voting for them anyway, as stated by the others.

I like the bit about Snorri annoying Valaya though. Wouldn't be the first time we've given a supersized offering to her Temple.
 
While looking to be true, I still stand by the Gazul pick, even with what we know. I think only Grimnir's one would still have been the alternative choice for me even knowing all the 'results', but that's less for it's immediate relevance and more due to it being what we know is a piece of dwarf's practical immortality or at least longevity.
 
Given that there are ways to argue most interpretations, wouldn't it be better to refer to the update itself?

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open curiosity
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Books, scrolls and tomes can be seen bursting from the satchels
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rich but well-worn, with patches on the fabric to match the scars on his skin
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(Also, who sees the most is a different question from who saw the most - be careful when arguing this question)
Given the quotes... Child, Elder, Fullbeard?
 
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Grail Knight Snorri showing up in Bretonnia in green full plate armor riding a giant goat proclaiming "For The Lady Valaya!" much to the confusion of the Bretonians
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'You dare to tarnished the honor of my lady? to the book you go/have at you'.
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'under this elder ring I will restore the golden order!'

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'I don't want to talk to you no more' 'Bah' [then be quiet umgi]
'You stubborn headed animal food trough wiper' 'BAH' [rumbling, look at you forest, then look at me then back at you forest]
'I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.' 'BAH! [your entire bloodline were made of the most foul goats that I ever had the displeasure to know].

p.s: I was very lucky to triple check. Otherwise I would quote the ping/quote the wrong post:p
 
To me I have to go with it like this

Child: See's the farthest, they see what is and what could be, the wide eyed dreaming of a child, but it is a dwarven child. Propped by their ancestors they see the past behind them, stretching back to the ancestors, and the path ahead of them, the duty to continue they have been given and the dream of surpassing them.

The fullbeard see's the most: the future is at his feet and the past is at his back. Elder's judge him for the example he will set for his beardlings and plaitlings. Children look up to him as their elder, parent and guide to life. He sees the past and the future at the same time, the understanding of he is the bridge between the two.

The Elder see's the clearest: He sees the past and is lost in it, the victories and defeats, and his own elders long since past. He can see that they were doing exactly what he is doing, setting an example to live up to. But even more than that to be surpassed. He sees the traditions that give the foundation of the Karaz Ankor, not just emulating the past but building on it. It's his duty to do exactly what his elders did to him, grumble and critique the younglings, push them to be better, but also to remind them look how far we come, don't forget us, we were here. Tradition is the mainstay of dwarven culture, don't forget what makes us Dawi...
 
I have to heavily disagree with the people talking about the child seeing the farthest. The child's world is infinitesimally smaller than the Fullbeard's or the Elder's. The Elder is similar in that their world is smaller than it once was due to their age and their importance in the community causing them to need to stay closer to home. But the Fullbeard is the one that can see the farthest because he's no longer unable to defend himself like the child, nor is he bound to a singular general area like the Elder.
 
For me, it goes like this:

Child sees the most, because they have no preconceptions or strictures to guide their sight and thus they observe everything with the same degree of wonder.

Fullbeards see the farthest; they're the ones who have specific goals and ideals to build towards, and should still have the fullness of time to see their distant ambitions realized.

Elders see the clearest, because they have the experience to recognize what they see and the knowledge of their own capabilities earned through long practice.
 
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