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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

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I am pretty sure that the rune of witchsight can be seen as incomplete because it doesn't show the full majesty of winds of magic and how they react to each other. He only sees them as colours and only that. I guess it could be seen as bare-bones of the true rune of witchsight.
 
Gabriel_TFA said:
I am pretty sure that the rune of witchsight can be seen as incomplete because it doesn't show the full majesty of winds of magic and how they react to each other. He only sees them as colours and only that. I guess it could be seen as bare-bones of the true rune of witchsight.
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It also has to focus on a single object, and doesn't show the ambient winds at all.
 
Fanhunter696 said:
I would say that all the runes that you have described have been not useful for us and they are even admitted by Snorri a WIP, The only we have used extensively is the rune forged limb, and we had to get a few levels on that to be up to our standards
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My fellow. He doesn't call the Master Rune of Waking a work in progress lol. The Rune of Prosthesis was called that, the Rune of Translation was considered crude, and lo and behold so is ESP.

Its clear you are just trying to unreasonably devaule things that I'm using to support rushing ESP. The Rune of Speech gives the Brana as a people a voice, and we inscribed most of those until we taught Dolgi and his family took up the task. We used it for our dragons. We used Refraction all over Khazagar.

More examples for stuff we use a lot. We got the incomplete Master Rune of Purification by completing Rune Metal part 3. We got the completed Master Rune of Purification by completing part 4. Totaled up the action cost for both parts was 20. We got the incomplete Rune of Siphoning from Movement part 5 and got the completed form out of Movement part 6. Almost every time we've had a work in progress, the next level has finished it. This is very consistent, except in the case of Prosthesis - in that case we got Transcription and Direction and then the next level was forged limb. And that is explicily called out by snorri as going backwards in Direction's case, because Prosthesis spawned from Direction.

Given that the precursor rune to the Rune of Windsight is the Rune of Forged Eye, we're not gonna be going backwards so the exception with Prosthesis ain't applicable.

Please furnish me with an actually good argument about why we should go to war, instead of either A) complaining that we haven't gone to war recently or B) getting twisted up in trying to disprove the value of ESP or other runes - demonstrably, they are valuable.

E: Also referring back to the Chaos Portal thing, as a different point. I'm not going to call you a coward. Why would I? I also have my own reasons for not wanting a 20-30% chance for a portal to open, but I also understand that we can push it back extremely easily and every time we do that we push it back by two turns now due to the Elves help.

Gabriel_TFA said:
I am pretty sure that the rune of witchsight can be seen as incomplete because it doesn't show the full majesty of winds of magic and how they react to each other. He only sees them as colours and only that. I guess it could be seen as bare-bones of the true rune of witchsight.
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Yeah.
 
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BungieONI said:
Please furnish me with an actually good argument about why we should go to war, instead of either A) complaining that we haven't gone to war recently or B) getting twisted up in trying to disprove the value of ESP or other runes - demonstrably, they are valuable.
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That is pretty difficult since you have already dismissed every argument we have given you so far, among them:
  • When dealing with Chaos better safe than sorry.
  • The sooner we deal with the Fimir, the sooner they will stop attacking us.
  • Plenty of voters feel a sense of obligation to help deal with an enemy we have in our backyard.
  • Snorri giving +25 for every war roll is very significant in the final math of the war.
  • There were plenty of wanted to take a more active role in the war but couldn´t because of the bottleneck of urgent projects that we have had until this last turn (Royal Gift, Dragon Rearing, Khazagar), and now we have the chance of doing it since there is no other essential project with time limits.
  • Your IC justification for wanting to finish ESP before going to war is pretty damn sketchy and clashes with how Snorri has acted when marching to war until now.
The only argument that I have left is that we are going to get pretty awesome loot to fill Kartash's Backlog every time we take the action, and the OOC knowledge that screwing with the Fimir in the mainland would help immensely the Albionese to deal with their Fimir infestation...
 
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War this turn, then ESP the two turns after that. Sorry Bungie, I always vote for you but this time I ain't. Snorri has other stuff he needs to do rather than just holding up in his workshop for 20 years.
 
Fanhunter696 said:
We can only take a single Marching action per turn... So there are another 4 actions that we can pour into whatever research we want to do...
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We can take multiple Marching actions actually. We did that for Grimnir.

Fanhunter696 said:
That is pretty difficult since you have already dismissed every argument we have given you so far, among them:
  • When dealing with Chaos better safe than sorry.
  • The sooner we deal with the Fimir, the sooner they will stop attacking us.
  • Plenty of voters feel a sense of obligation to help deal with an enemy we have in our backyard.
  • Snorri giving +25 for every war roll is very significant in the final math of the war.
  • There were plenty of wanted to take a more active role in the war but couldn´t because of the bottleneck of urgent projects that we have had until this last turn (Royal Gift, Dragon Rearing, Khazagar), and now we have the chance of doing it since there is no other essential project with time limits.
  • Your IC justification for wanting to finish ESP before going to war is pretty damn sketchy and clashes with how Snorri has acted when marching to war until now.
The only argument that I have left is that we are going to get pretty awesome loot to fill Kartash's Backlog every time we take the action, and the OOC knowledge that screwing with the Fimir in the mainland would help immensely the Albionese to deal with their Fimir infestation...
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Loot is tempting, though we apparently have to roll very well to get much out of it.

soulcake said:
(Roll, Loot: 18 +20 [Victory] +15 [Omake] =53)
(Roll, Loot: 20 +20 [Victory] =40)
(Roll, Loot: 88 +20 [Victory] =108)
(Roll, Loot: 46+10 [Minor Victory] =56)
(Roll, Loot: 83 -10 [Loss] =78)
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Below average on one, above average on three, and a crit on one and we only got one thing that gave research drip.

We're probably looking at 75 plus to get notable loot and 100+ to get loot that gives research drip, given the rolls and results above. Maybe if we kill a meargh we'll get more?

Tbh all of us talking here make a small minority of the actual voters, so if it turns out the majority of voters don't want to rush ESP I'll do what I always do and adapt.
 
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I like the plan of Bungie, not because of the ESP rushing but because it makes several objects, I love the banner, but I do found completly irresponsible not marching.
Do you remember my point about how we should work to prevent the problem that arised when the ships had to lower standard and recuit non guild members, you know the tragedies that this also implies?

The way we prevent more tragedies from ever happening is by finishing this war faster.
I do not think our single item will provide a meaningful bonus without us.
I do not belive the fimir have a chance of seriously harming us.
They have struk a Karak several times by now.
We kill at the very least thousands of enemies combattant and several hig value warriors.
We are quite bad at using the fruit of our research at their full anyway.
So we can finish ESP in three turns instead of two and march evry turn, the colletive suffering we will avoid is a far bigger result than ESP a turn quicker.

I would not just abbandon research either to just spend five action in a war.
Getting ESP is cool. And so is making a ton of items.
I just feel like Bungie plan really could just put one action less in research and one in war.
 
Personally i'd be fine getting our ducks in row and delaying war for 2 turns for either research/craft it seems so we can go full 5 ap war.

Like, let's not forget if we don't fully commit we won't get a war interlude like our first tussle with the Fimir which'll be a shame and we'll be limited in the shock value we bring ourselves with new equipment along with the shard dragons if we do 5 war.

theirs's still like a dozen fimir cities left spreading our involvement in the fimir war to one ap sevral decades along with the drak may be fine for us as were just that jacked because or our gear and can potentially craft items to counter Fimir shit the drak are nowhere near being archmagis in magic and will be countered easilly and don't have the skill to develop new shit as the decades pass.

Let's go 5 war and bring hell to the Fimir, bag the most loot, show Malekith how you really destroy a city, and finally get the most shock value from our new gear and drak along with a war interlude to top it off as we destroy multiple cities.
 
It could increase the productivity trait couldn it?
My idea was to never ever get the drak close to a war.
But I have to say, asfar as war goes is probably better to either get a one action or a full six one.
 
So ... does any one wager. that if elgi end up with floating mountains, Snori would take it as a chalange?
Or rather. How long till we get out own Karak Arc?

Edit: bloody hell , misspelled Karak.
 
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watcheye456 said:
So ... does any one wager. that if elgi end up with floating mountains, Snori would take it as a chalange?
Or rather. How long till we get out own Karag Arc?
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Do you mean Snorri founding his own Hold? That is huge decision to be made, especially with all the problems that can come out of it. I can only imagine if we do that now with Vragni being angry, what will he do? Founding his own Hold? Like I said, that is a gigantic decision to be made and it is possible we will make that decision much later in the future. We already had an option of becoming Ruler of Karak Drak but we chose to focus on runes.
 
Gabriel_TFA said:
Do you mean Snorri founding his own Hold? That is huge decision to be made, especially with all the problems that can come out of it. I can only imagine if we do that now with Vragni being angry, what will he do? Founding his own Hold? Like I said, that is a gigantic decision to be made and it is possible we will make that decision much later in the future. We already had an option of becoming Ruler of Karak Drak but we chose to focus on runes.
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More like : a seaside karak was atacked and want revange but the enemy run to far of ocean. so they pay Snori to make their hold into a speedy boat.
 
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watcheye456 said:
So ... does any one wager. that if elgi end up with floating mountains, Snori would take it as a chalange?
Or rather. How long till we get out own Karag Arc?
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Saphetion is still intact at this time.

The elves have a flying city.

Now that's a burudin challenge... a flying Karak that lands on enemy cities so we can defend in depth, while we attack.

Edit: Challenge: Find a way to make a flying city that doesn't die when I look at it
Edit 2: Places I can't visit: The Vortex, Saphetion
 
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Gabriel_TFA said:
You like what Black Arc is but as Karak...oh, Karak Arc, now that makes more sense.
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Actually Karak Arc sounds multilinguistic. does anyone have a better idea to name such a beast of stone?

Like what would be Kazalid for sailing hold? Kazalid does not have a word for sailing. best I can find is water punching hold.
Which to be honest, is an okay name. feels like we can do better thou.

Would need a master rune of buancy at least thou


Just found it while re-reading

tri2 said:
mwahahaha, we might be getting dwarf griffon riders soon enough!
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I have to say. IT TOOK A WHILE!
 
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