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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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Once we get Glimril: Zon Dum and Purification on the same armor.

Purification Banner for Whitebeard?
AOE your magic items are now slag and ash seems like it'd be appreciated.
 
BungieONI said:
Right!

Cracking on cracking on.

Plan Turn 50 Structural Siphoning, Dragons, War Prep
-[] Snorri/Karstah
-[] Movement of Things 2 Snorri
-[] Drakk Rearing 2 Snorri
-[] Design Spite Talisman, "Drake's Vengeance" 1 Snorri
-[] Odd Wyrm's Blood 1 Research
-[] A Wonderful Endeavour 2 Karstah
--[] Petition the Hold 45 Drakk Favor

-[] Retainer/Orders
-[] Waywarding 1 Retainer
-[] Training Regime Pt1 1 Retainer
--[] Drakk Expertise 30 Drakk Favor
--[] Ornsmotek Expertise 60 Favour with Kraka Ornsmotek
-[] A Wonderful Endeavour 1 Retainer
-[] Order: T4 Magma Wyrm's Lung
-[] Order 2: T4 Elder Stonehorn's Eye
--[] Royal Expedite x2 30 Kraka Grom Favor
-[] Order 4: T4 Elder Stone Troll's Blood
--[] Royal Expedite x2 30 Kraka Grom Favor

@soulcake a write in
[] [Write In] The Drake's Vengeance, Talisman, Pt 1: A ring of adamant, shaped to resemble a dragon biting its own tail until it bleeds tiny drops of rubies. The dragon's minute scales are picked out with incredible life-like detail and the eyes are tiny hearthstones set into the sockets. Through clever internal mechanisms the ring can be turned to change its size, for the sake of convenience or passage onto a worthy bearer when the time comes. On the spine of the drake, three runes are inscribed, with their glow subtle until Drakkvengryn's effects activate.

The Master Rune of Spite (T4 Stonehorn Eye) + Rune of Spellturning (T4 Stone Troll's Blood) + Rune of Gildercoat (T4 Barazgal)

As a thematic statement, I like this: "These golden scales turn aside blades and fling spells back at their foolish casters. If blade or spell should pierce these scales, then they shall erupt against the foe with the intensity of a Dragon's spite."

My plan here does some simple things. The first is doing 2 into Movement Six gets us Structural Siphoning, need to finish that up for Khazagar and its in easy reach. Then because I know people will want to, 2 actions into Dragon Rearing to just keep that going.

Final Snorri action is to do some personal war prep and have things set up for building the talisman on either turn 51 or turn 53, before we march for war again. Also on the war, a nice thing about it is that the extra time we got here was due to good Regional RER rolls and a good Elf trade roll. (there was a really good Waystone roll on the side which I don't think really had to do with the city coming down). So the Far North is perfectly capable of destroying cities without our help.

Odd Wyrm's blood just trucking along. Karstah and the Retainers and Drakk Favor here are able to be used to get six progress on Khazagar, meaning we'll get more overflow on it on turn 52 at the end of the day.

Our Retainers are going to be relevant to the war so we can work on Training them up in prep for the war. Hopefully we get a chance to gain Ravnsvake favor in the next few turns so we can grab that final option.

Finally, the orders are for the Hearthguard Mountainsouled banner post Khazagar, and making sure we have the reagents for the spite talisman ready sooner than later.
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May I suggest we go into debt with Ravnsake for the training? I think we can trust them to not screw us given our status, and ultimately it's not that much debt. Or are you unwilling to go that far?

Otherwise, mmm... not a lot of objections, besides maybe bumping 1 action from Drakk training to the Movement as I doubt Movement ends here, and it'll overflow the next bit harder?

That's about all I can think of.

And OFC we have the Khazagar to think of.

I also wouldn't mind Eva's ideas.
 
If people are absolutely set on two Drake rearing options that's fine, but I'd prefer Kradsdonti over Odd Wyrm Blood.

Looking at Whitebeard's gear was so fun and profitable.
 
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Kinda disappointed no one wants to get a requesting to get some new things to research for simple/material. Those Krakens are looking mighty fine things to study in the time it takes after this mess we have for turn 50 to 57.
 
ArchAIngel said:
May I suggest we go into debt with Ravnsake for the training? I think we can trust them to not screw us given our status, and ultimately it's not that much debt. Or are you unwilling to go that far?

Otherwise, mmm... not a lot of objections, besides maybe bumping 1 action from Drakk training to the Movement as I doubt Movement ends here, and it'll overflow the next bit harder?

That's about all I can think of.

And OFC we have the Khazagar to think of.

I also wouldn't mind Eva's ideas.
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We could do it, I guess it is possible with the mechanics of planning. I'll stick that in.

Let me look at what Eva suggested.
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
If people are absolutely set on two Drake rearing options that's fine, but I'd prefer Kradsdonti over Odd Wyrm Blood.

Looking at Whitebeard's gear was so fun and profitable.
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Can't do that sadly.

Kradskonti isn't in the Simple research category so its not applicable. You'd have to move one from dragons to Kradskonti.

Okay! @ArchAIngel made the edit to put Ravnsvake expertise in there with valayan favor. We get valayan projects all the time so should be able to fix that up. And the one we have right now is one that just rewards actions committed for help, its not expecting us to devote all 4 actions based on how the favor rewards are listed. I might slide in a note to accept the Coronation request, if people are super interested in accepting it this turn; we can accept it now or next turn, but we won't have a good rune for it until probably turn 54 or 55, when we can wrap up compressing Expurgation with certainty and give Whitebeard a talisman of "I delete a major spellcaster or big monster, on a long long cooldown".
 
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soulcake said:
Mid 404] Hear these words ye shamed and disgraced, ye outcast and ye lost. The Cult of Grimnir has spoken at length about The Valiant's final and greatest deed, and at last come to a conclusion of their own. Grimnir's sacrifice, His Doom, was an act of unparalleled honour, say the priests of the Ancestor, one to outdo all the deeds He committed in life. Any warrior who seeks to follow Grimnir's way, to find honourable and glorious death in the manner of the Doomed too will have the honour of their ending overwrite the shame of their life. Atonement! Atonement and redemption for our failures and misdeeds! Let all who walk the Slayer's path find an end to the shame they bring to kin and kindred
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oh hell no. We were supposed to have kicked this nugget back into the depths of unhealthy coping mechanisms wayyy back.

Time to bury this again.
 
Throwing some Tables together quickly for various folks plans...

ProjectActionsOther Notes
A Wonderful Endeavor2 Heir, 1 Retainer, 3 Petition The Hold6 Progress, 7 left after this plan. +1 progress towards Heir Of The Gift Giver on Karstah.
Movement Pt. 62 General, 1 Master Of The OddCompleted with 1 Overflow, +1 towards Master Of The Odd. Khazagar will have, at minimum, the Structural Rune Of Siphoning to help fuel it.
Drakk Rearing2 General2 Progress.
Write In: Spite Talisman: Fires Of The Underearth1 SnorriMaster Rune Of Spite, Rune Of Spellturning, Rune Of Gazul's Flame
Waywarding1 Retainer
Training Regime with Drakk, Ornsmotek, and Ravnsvake expertise1 Retainer2 Progress remains after this plan.
Odd Wyrm's Blood1 Research2 Progress remains after this plan.

ProjectActionsOther Notes
A Wonderful Endeavor2 Heir, 1 Retainer, 3 Petition The Hold6 Progress, 7 left after this plan. +1 progress towards Heir Of The Gift Giver on Karstah.
Movement Pt. 62 General, 1 Master Of The OddCompleted with 1 Overflow, +1 towards Master Of The Odd. Khazagar will have, at minimum, the Structural Rune Of Siphoning to help fuel it.
Drakk Rearing2 General2 Progress.
Write In: Returning Vengeance1 GeneralMaster Rune Of Spite, Rune Of Fury, Rune Of Grudges (Chaos).
Waywarding1 Retainer
Training Regime with Drakk, Ornsmotek, and Ravnsvake expertise1 Retainer2 Progress remains after this plan.
Odd Wyrm's Blood1 Research2 Progress remains after this plan.
Coronation GiftAccepted

ProjectActionsOther Notes
A Wonderful Endeavor2 Heir, 3 Petition The Hold6 Progress, 7 left after this plan. +1 progress towards Heir Of The Gift Giver on Karstah.
Movement Pt. 62 General, 1 Master Of The OddCompleted with 1 Overflow, +1 towards Master Of The Odd. Khazagar will have, at minimum, the Structural Rune Of Siphoning to help fuel it.
Drakk Rearing2 General2 Progress.
Write In: Spite Talisman: Painful Reckoning1 GeneralMaster Rune Of Spite, Rune Of Wracking Pain, Rune Of Lethargy
Waywarding1 Retainer
Training Regime with Drakk, Ornsmotek, and Ravnsvake expertise1 Retainer2 Progress remains after this plan.
Odd Wyrm's Blood1 Research2 Progress remains after this plan.
Coronation GiftAccepted

ProjectActionsOther Notes
A Wonderful Endeavor2 General, 1 Peerless Production, 3 Petition The Hold6 Progress, 7 left after this plan. +1 progress towards Heir Of The Gift Giver on Karstah.
Movement Pt. 62 General, 1 Master Of The OddCompleted with 1 Overflow, +1 towards Master Of The Odd. Khazagar will have, at minimum, the Structural Rune Of Siphoning to help fuel it.
Drakk Rearing1 General, 1 Heir2 Progress.
Write In: Spite Talisman: Fires Of The Underearth1 SnorriMaster Rune Of Spite, Rune Of Spellturning, Rune Of Gazul's Flame
Waywarding1 Retainer
Training Regime with Drakk, Ornsmotek, and Ravnsvake expertise1 Retainer2 Progress remains after this plan.
Odd Wyrm's Blood1 Research2 Progress remains after this plan.

I'll update this as Plans are made and edited.
 
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So, while I basically agree with Bungie's plan, my only objection is that I don't think the amulet will combo.

I have a different Amulet setup I think has VERY good odds of combo-ing into something useful, and well. The rest I'll admit I'm just copying.

May the best amulet setup win, friend!

[] Plan Turn 50: Back With A Vengeance
-[] Snorri/Karstah
-[] Movement of Things 2 Snorri
-[] Drakk Rearing 1 Snorri 1 Retainer
-[] Compress Master Rune of Expurgation(Talismanic Combo) 1 Snorri
-[] Design Spite Talisman, "Returning Vengeance" 1 Snorri (A Master Rune of Spite, Rune of Fury, Rune of Grudges(Chaos) setup on Adamant, to thoroughly ruin the Fimir's day.)
-[] Odd Wyrm's Blood 1 Research
-[] A Wonderful Endeavour 2 Karstah
--[] Petition the Hold 45 Drakk Favor

-[] Retainer/Orders
-[] Waywarding 1 Retainer
-[] Training Regime Pt1 1 Retainer
--[] Drakk Expertise 30 Drakk Favor
--[] Ornsmotek Expertise 60 Favor with Kraka Ornsmotek
--[] Ravnsvake Expertise 40 Favor with Cult of Valaya
-[] Order: T4 Magma Wyrm's Lung
-[] Order 2: T4 Elder Stonehorn's Eye
--[] Royal Expedite x2 30 Kraka Grom Favor
-[] Order 4: T4 Elder Stone Troll's Blood
--[] Royal Expedite x2 30 Kraka Grom Favor
-[ ] [Difficult] Coronation Gift Pt. 1: [Cost: 1 action] Due end of turn 55. Gain 1 Standing with Karaz a Karak. If a Rune you want requires special ingredients that you don't have access to I will alert you. Apply optional reagent materials here. This request will time out by the beginning of Turn 51. Gloin has come to you with a request. Create something to celebrate the coronation of the High King. Already there are several Holds that Gloin knows of who are scrambling to do the same. If you really think about it, he implies, its a contest to see who can make the best gift. Cheeky lad.
--[] Accept
 
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@BungieONI counter proposal.

[] [Write In] The Windbreak, Shield, Pt 1: A Shield of Adamant closer in size to a Pavise that rangers use in sieges rather than anything which is usually handheld. On the outside it bears an image of a lonely mountain amidst a storm. On the inner side it carries a depiction of the Siege of Kraka Drakk and the Great incursion.

The Master Rune of Purification(Voidstone or anything Snorri thinks would upgrade it) + Rune of Embers(T4 Ancient Magma Dragons Blood) + Rune of Gildercoat (T4 Barazgal)

Designed to use the heat of Embers and Purification to turn Gildercoat into explosive shields and to regenerate shields the fields faster from Purification.
You've noted yourself that Spite isn't likely to combo (E: To clarify I mean the set combo.), I feel this is due to the additionaly fire components and touching on the earth prior to the Old ones being purer and more free of magic due to the lack of the polar gates.
It shifts the anti magic capacities to the MRune rather than Spell Turning. Makes up for the lack of spite with Purifications own retaliatory properties.
 
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Dark as Silver said:
@BungieONI counter proposal.

[] [Write In] The Windbreak, Shield, Pt 1: A Shield of Adamant closer in size to a Pavise that rangers use in sieges rather than anything which is usually handheld. On the outside it bears an image of a lonely mountain amidst a storm. On the inner side it carries a depiction of the Siege of Kraka Drakk and the Great incursion.

The Master Rune of Purification(Voidstone or anything Snorri thinks would upgrade it) + Rune of Embers(T4 Ancient Magma Dragons Blood) + Rune of Gildercoat (T4 Barazgal)

Designed to use the heat of Embers and Purification to turn Gildercoat into explosive shields and to regenerate shields the fields faster from Purification.
You've noted yourself that Spite isn't likely to combo (E: To clarify I mean the set combo.), I feel this is due to the additionaly fire components and touching on the earth prior to the Old ones being purer and more free of magic due to the lack of the polar gates.
It shifts the anti magic capacities to the MRune rather than Spell Turning. Makes up for the lack of spite with Purifications own retaliatory properties.
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Sure we could do this.

But it doesn't really compare in terms of raw Oomph (special rules wise) to Spite.

E: Like, as I said, my design goals required Spite. So I'm not exactly going to be interested in a counter proposal that has no Spite.
 
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Hey folks, with Malekith rearing up his still overly-pretty head, I just want to note that if meet him, maybe befriend him, we have a chance of making him a spiffy hat that just might make him more reluctant to mess about with 'stupid hat of obvious bait' - aka circlet of iron - when and if he finds himself stranded up in the north and runs into it.
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My mind is weird.
I am now imagining Malekith getting stranded in the north only to get rescued by that mammoth demigod Snorri met at Karak dum.
 
yannoshka said:
Hey folks, with Malekith rearing up his still overly-pretty head, I just want to note that if meet him, maybe befriend him, we have a chance of making him a spiffy hat that just might make him more reluctant to mess about with 'stupid hat of obvious bait' - aka circlet of iron - when and if he finds himself stranded up in the north and runs into it.
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My mind is weird.
I am now imagining Malekith getting stranded in the north only to get rescued by that mammoth demigod Snorri met at Karak dum.
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It could happen, us averting the WoV, is on the dockets that we could avert. If we try to avert it, anyway.
 
My own proposal: M. Spite, Lethargy, Wracking Pain. Basically, the theme is that every wound would not only be dealt back, but also will cripple the attacker in vengeance. Mechanically, I think Lethargy and Pain will flavor M. Spite's attack to be even more devastating, adding a powerful debuff.
No idea regarding reagents, though.
 
[] [Write In] The Drake's Vengeance, Talisman, Pt 1: A ring of adamant, shaped to resemble a dragon biting its own tail until it bleeds tiny drops of rubies. The dragon's minute scales are picked out with incredible life-like detail and the eyes are tiny hearthstones set into the sockets. Through clever internal mechanisms the ring can be turned to change its size, for the sake of convenience or passage onto a worthy bearer when the time comes. On the spine of the drake, three runes are inscribed, with their glow subtle until Drakkvengryn's effects activate.

The Master Rune of Spite (T4 Stonehorn Eye) + Rune of Spellturning (T4 Stone Troll's Blood) + Rune of Gildercoat (T4 Barazgal)

As a thematic statement, I like this: "These golden scales turn aside blades and fling spells back at their foolish casters. If blade or spell should pierce these scales and wound the flesh beneath, then they shall erupt against the foe with the intensity of a Dragon's spite."
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@soulcake sorry, made a slight clarifying edit to the thematic idea I had behind this talisman by adding 'and wound the flesh beneath'.

I realized the og write up may have given off a slightly inaccurate impression to my intent.
 
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"Wherein I have left, yet I remain. Where I have not rested, yet my mark s'upon the bed. Where I may gaze at the stars but see not the moon. Where there can be light yet ought to be dark. Where the land shines only when I do. There, 'pon that land, lies that which only the worthy may handle."
Is the answer a graveyard? Or is it referring to the Underearth?
 
soulcake said:
Hear these words ye shamed and disgraced, ye outcast and ye lost. The Cult of Grimnir has spoken at length about The Valiant's final and greatest deed, and at last come to a conclusion of their own. Grimnir's sacrifice, His Doom, was an act of unparalleled honour, say the priests of the Ancestor, one to outdo all the deeds He committed in life. Any warrior who seeks to follow Grimnir's way, to find honourable and glorious death in the manner of the Doomed too will have the honour of their ending overwrite the shame of their life. Atonement! Atonement and redemption for our failures and misdeeds! Let all who walk the Slayer's path find an end to the shame they bring to kin and kindred.
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And thus one of the Dooms of the Dawi is formed....

Perhaps it doesn't lead to what it has become in "modern" fantasy?
 
lizatessu said:
It could happen, us averting the WoV, is on the dockets that we could avert. If we try to avert it, anyway.
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Hey, we could still have WoV only maybe a threeway with Malekith commanding Nagarythe and maybe one or two other kingdoms such as Avelorn, Cotique or Chrace and allied with the dawi on one side, Morathi corrupted Kaledor the asshat and most of Ulthuan on another, and Ariele going against both Malekith and Morathi to avenge Allisara with most of the colonist elves (minus the northern ones) as the third.
Make it an even more devastating war, but Dawi come better off than OTL
 
An Axe with MPurification sounds like a solid idea for dealing with more Maergh and Daemons.

As previous fights have shown, Snorri is effectivly tough "enough" (pending further gamechangers), but we could definitly use more damage-output against regenerating or high-health enemies.
 
ArchAIngel said:
Plan Turn 50: Back With A Vengeance
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Considering we have a chance to both help hit the Fimir while they are down and possibly meet Malekith, would you be willing to put an action in to March if we take a heir action away from the Wonderful Endeavor and put it in the Drakk rearing? It would also be more interesting for me to see Karstah helping Snorri raise her Drakk siblings than just Snorri alone.
 
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