RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

[soulcake]

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[Dark as Silver]

Just a random idle thought but what would Snorri gain if he used the Windsight eye on Valaya's axe?

I mean other than being completely blinded by the sheer potency of the Runes on the Ancestor's weapon of course. My random thought is that he may be able to perhaps see a hint on how to progress pass Adament if his theory that he needs to infuse the metal with something to make it better is correct.

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... Depends if the axe is made on Glimril. In that case we'd see Glimril.
The workings of the rune are not visible to windsight.

you cannot actually see the Winds beyond the point that they enter the Rune,

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This is a good thing, because if they were visible we'd arguably be compelled to kill any elf or brana who saw a rune because they might be able to steal runesmithing secrets from it.

 

[DragonParadox]

... Depends if the axe is made on Glimril. In that case we'd see Glimril.
The workings of the rune are not visible to windsight.

This is a good thing, because if they were visible we'd arguably be compelled to kill any elf or brana who saw a rune because they might be able to steal runesmithing secrets from it.

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Would it be stealing runesmith secrets? If they just natively knew something from looking at a rune, that is not an action on their part, certainly there is no intent to steal. One would have to catch one of them striking a rule for the accusation to have bite.

 

[Alratan]

Would it be stealing runesmith secrets? If they just natively knew something from looking at a rune, that is not an action on their part, certainly there is no intent to steal. One would have to catch one of them striking a rule for the accusation to have bite.

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It's also not much of a secret if anyone with eyes to see can just look at it and see what's happening if a rune is ever taken out in public.

 

[OzymandiasAgain]

As I see it, if you want to keep something secret, then it is upon you to ensure that no passing Brana or Elgi can figure it out with just a look.

 

[Cursix]

Would it be stealing runesmith secrets? If they just natively knew something from looking at a rune, that is not an action on their part, certainly there is no intent to steal. One would have to catch one of them striking a rule for the accusation to have bite.

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Yeah no, if it was proved that they could figure out the workings of runes just by site they would become enemy number one to the runesmiths instantly. And from there, a large majority of Dawi civilisation. At best, it would result in hyper paranoia and never allowing runes and elves to be within miles of each other.

 

[DragonParadox]

Yeah no, if it was proved that they could figure out the workings of runes just by site they would become enemy number one to the runesmiths instantly. And from there, a large majority of Dawi civilisation. At best, it would result in hyper paranoia and never allowing runes and elves to be within miles of each other.

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No they would not since that would be untenable, like genuinely if your secrets can be discovered at a glance then you are terrible at keeping secrets and you should feel ashamed of that fact. Considering that both Brana and elves are inherently magical species and that runes are routinely placed on small portable items many of which have already been legitimately traded with both peoples there is no realistic way to separate them from runes.

Dwarfish society would have to deal with it and 'Hulk smash' would not be a valid way of dealing.

 

[NSMS]

You are under suspicion of being Slaaneshi cultist. A Witch Hunter has been dispatched.

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How... how dare you accuse me of such! I would never lower myself to serving Chaos, let alone following the hedonistic indulgences of the Tempter!

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BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE! CORN FOR THE KHORNE FLAKES!

 

[Alratan]

No they would not since that would be untenable, like genuinely if your secrets can be discovered at a glance then you are terrible at keeping secrets and you should feel ashamed of that fact. Considering that both Brana and elves are inherently magical species and that runes are routinely placed on small portable items many of which have already been legitimately traded with both peoples there is no realistic way to separate them from runes.

Dwarfish society would have to deal with it and 'Hulk smash' would not be a valid way of dealing.

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With the Brana, yes, but I think the elves are still embargoed from being traded runes. The only item they have is the runecraft that Grimnir gave as a gift, and I dare any Runelord to say that was against the rules.

 

[The Sandman]

Borek's Challenge
Create a Rune more destructive than the Master Rune of Zon-dum.

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That one's easy.

Rune of Enforced Sobriety: every dwarf in the rune's area of effect can no longer tolerate any drink but water.

 

[Dark as Silver]

That one's easy.

Rune of Enforced Sobriety: every dwarf in the rune's area of effect can no longer tolerate any drink but water.

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Quest bad end.
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No they would not since that would be untenable, like genuinely if your secrets can be discovered at a glance then you are terrible at keeping secrets and you should feel ashamed of that fact

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This is literally critising like people from an all blind society for being unaware that brail dots can be seen visually.
Dwarves fundamentally don't have that sense and if you're going to ask them to either recategorize sacred lore or figure out a way to prevent sighted people ever looking at braile they would chose to try and get rid of all lights in an instant and throw grudges against anyone with a torch.

 

[DragonParadox]

This is literally critising like people from an all blind society for being unaware that brail dots can be seen visually.
Dwarves fundamentally don't have that sense and if you're going to ask them to either recategorize sacred lore or figure out a way to prevent sighted people ever looking at braile they would chose to try and get rid of all lights in an instant and throw grudges against anyone with a torch.

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Except you cannot, it is physically impossible to 'turn off the lights' for elves, or Brana... or Fimir or Daemons etc... To be honest I would expect that revelation to be far worse than anything to do with their allies. They would either have to stop using runes in battle, which would be crippling, or just get used to the idea that Chaos can steal their secret lore,

 

[Dark as Silver]

Except you cannot, it is physically impossible to 'turn off the lights' for elves, or Brana... or Fimir or Daemons etc... To be honest I would expect that revelation to be far worse than anything to do with their allies. They would either have to stop using runes in battle, which would be crippling, or just get used to the idea that Chaos can steal their secret lore,

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You can use a rune in battle.
You just need to make sure that no one survives getting a clear enough look at it that they might figure out something.
The problem solves itself quite easily.

And I agree the general problem is nearly impossible to solve. My statement is that dwarves would still rather fail attempting to solve it rather than would adjust expectations so they didn't have to.

 

[ConfusedCanuck]

Goodness gracious other have said it but we have Windsight! Incomplete as it is this is massive step forward in progress for us! Also we made so much progress this turn research leaves me very happy! Also those challenges by the Burudin sound interesting that's for sure!

Oh once the Burudin hear of that they'll be chomping at the bit to get a hand on said rune!

And so it's finally revealed the Ancestors have left the Dwarven realm to there children now.

 

[DragonParadox]

You can use a rune in battle.
You just need to make sure that no one survives getting a clear enough look at it that they might figure out something.
The problem solves itself quite easily.

And I agree the general problem is nearly impossible to solve. My statement is that dwarves would still rather fail attempting to solve it rather than would adjust expectations so they didn't have to.

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The idea that you could kill every enemy who has ever observed a rune so unrealistic that no dwarf could ever convince himself that it might ever be done. To even attempt it you would have to withdraw the use of runes from as many battles as possible. Dwarfs are not automation, if the plan goes:

1. Declare war on elves and Brana to drive them far away
2. No longer use many runes in battle with Chaos leading to tens of thousands of more dead dwarfs
3. Obsessively hunt down every single runic item outside of dwarf hands (we found several of them just incidentally in Fimir hands remember?)

Eventually dwarfs are going to start to question just how many of their dead children this Runesmith obsession is worth?

 

[Alratan]

Also, daemons don't die if they're killed. You could never use runic equipment against daemons in that case.

 

[Dark as Silver]

Eventually dwarfs are going to start to question just how many of their dead children this Runesmith obsession is worth?

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Ermmmmmm......
I think we just have different understandings of what dwarves will do to settle a grudge if necessary and how it can create additional unrelated grudges that need to be settled at the same time.

 

[The Void King]

The idea that you could kill every enemy who has ever observed a rune so unrealistic that no dwarf could ever convince himself that it might ever be done. To even attempt it you would have to withdraw the use of runes from as many battles as possible. Dwarfs are not automation, if the plan goes:

1. Declare war on elves and Brana to drive them far away
2. No longer use many runes in battle with Chaos leading to tens of thousands of more dead dwarfs
3. Obsessively hunt down every single runic item outside of dwarf hands (we found several of them just incidentally in Fimir hands remember?)

Eventually dwarfs are going to start to question just how many of their dead children this Runesmith obsession is worth?

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Is everyone forgetting that runes literally can't be figured out through witchsight? Or is that just me?

 

[SuperSonicSound]

This entire line of idea is kind of stupid.

Being able to see that the winds do something inside of runes even if you could wouldn't count as stealing rune smithing secrets, we know this because in the base setting the dwarves and elves worked together to make waystones.

This wouldn't be possible if the above weren't true. The basic setting history makes this line discourse a waste of time.

 

[Dark as Silver]

Is everyone forgetting that runes literally can't be figured out through witchsight? Or is that just me?

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No we know, this is following off of the hypothetical that if it could, then Runesmith commandments would require them to go to extremes to prevent any species with wind sight from ever seeing them.

The workings of the rune are not visible to windsight.
This is a good thing, because if they were visible we'd arguably be compelled to kill any elf or brana who saw a rune because they might be able to steal runesmithing secrets from it.

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[soulcake]

@soulcake - with the new windsight vision, do we know what was happening with the dragons blood that Snorri got Durins consternation on?

Fantastic chapter anyway, I appreciate your work.

I wonder if it'll be worth releasing the Windsight rune at the conference given how many Runelords will be there. We'll be able to share our new understanding with the Brotherhood of Dron too.

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Option disappeared turn 26 IIRC, will probably return it now yeah #Mechanics

What happens when you throw a bar of adamant into a Rune of Calcination burner?

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/shrug.

@soulcake for when you wake up, is the regular rune of Featherweight still locked to Armor?

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Yeah #Runes

So, the Master Rune of Brotherhood isn't as Busted as I think it is right? In theory that Rune tramples all over the teaching Apprentice action. Karstah with that Rune, just by learning from her dad, will get her Fathers Blacksmithing Mastery thus allowing her to focus more on Rune Studies. More to the point Vrangi would love this rune as it would make the production of apprentices insane.

Is that per person? How does it choose? How does it choose the skill? Is it based on the users idea of their greatest skill or the targets? Does that mean it also has bearing on the Mind of Things? What's the limit of skill learned this way? Is it only equitable to Dawi? Can Dragons use it to learn things faster. How pissed are Longbeards going to be with this cheat?

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The wearer is the one who gets the training buff, and they choose the person, the Rune chooses the skill. Thihs and the improved Brotherhood were the normal rewards of Mind of things Pt. 5. You don't know. haven't tested it on non dwarfs, you haven't even made the Rune. Longbeard opinions can and probably will run the gamut from "You have no excuse now," to "cheaty cheater who cheats but also has no excuse now." #Runes #Mechanics #Culture

 

[ArchAIngel]

Option disappeared turn 26 IIRC, will probably return it now yeah #Mechanics

/shrug.

Yeah #Runes

The wearer is the one who gets the training buff, and they choose the person, the Rune chooses the skill. Thihs and the improved Brotherhood were the normal rewards of Mind of things Pt. 5. You don't know. haven't tested it on non dwarfs, you haven't even made the Rune. Longbeard opinions can and probably will run the gamut from "You have no excuse now," to "cheaty cheater who cheats but also has no excuse now." #Runes #Mechanics #Culture

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Given our most recent Rune and how scrap rocks are, to put it lightly, cheap as chips, may I ask if Things Of Note should have infinite Obsidian now? Or do we need another stage?

 

[Derpmind]

-- +1 Progress to Understand the Master Rune of Purification [Banner], new totals: [Cost: (16 -14) = 2 actions]

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Last turn this was at 5 actions required. Now it's down to only 2 actions, making this much easier to get. We could even split it up by doing one action into it per turn for two turns.

 

[Alratan]

@soulcake, one thing I was wondering l. As unlike higher levels of Movement of Things enhancing the Rune of Forged Limbs, Mind of Things didn't enhance the Runes of Forged Eye/Ear/Nose/Tongue, do we know what the path would be to improve those, or is it a try it and find out kind of thing with the various other research paths like Secrets of Light?

This entire line of idea is kind of stupid.

Being able to see that the winds do something inside of runes even if you could wouldn't count as stealing rune smithing secrets, we know this because in the base setting the dwarves and elves worked together to make waystones.

This wouldn't be possible if the above weren't true. The basic setting history makes this line discourse a waste of time.

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And they even engaged in collaborative rune development, which means that for some Runelords the definition of what was a secret must have been very restricted.

 

[Th3Saints]

We have Windsight

This is the first step anyone has made in figuring out Durin's consternation, quite likely since Durin himself... We also have shit Windsight. A wizard, even a bargain basement hedge witch can see more than just the colors of the winds emanating from things. We need to be able to see the interactions between them and the environment before we can move on to the holy grail of 'how do runes work'.

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Not really if i have my facts right windsight is a catch all term for wind perception is not unified or consistent even when wizards share the windsight sense.

This makes this a great boon to everyone if it is consistent to everyone that uses it even non dwarfs.

 

[soulcake]

Mind of Things didn't enhance the Runes of Forged Eye/Ear/Nose/Tongue, do we know what the path would be to improve those, or is it a try it and find out kind of thing with the various other research paths like Secrets of Light?

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Mind has become more focused on the mental aspect of Runes and how they connect to senses, as seen with Brotherhood and the Master Brotherhood. So probably something else will actually make prosthetics that are stronger/etc, aside from that you can't make the arm better in terms of how close it is to Dwarf tactile senses, it's already there it just may not be as strong if the user was above average.