I do look forward to ceking the rune library in a month or two after we stabilised the now frantich dash at inventing runes.
Now the post are way to fast for me to follow.
Have you at least considered the cultural aversion to that sort of thing?
Symposiums are a okay, and the Truthteller scattered his knowledge in a bunch of places for Karstah to find. But an open library is completely and utterly ridiculous.
Current Dwarf culture has the forces what it needs to preserve and share Runes without turning to 21st Century human culture. That it managed to preserve the little after being exhausted by a centuries long apocalyptic war which drained knowledge, earthquakes shattering the ability to communicate and breaching the gates for Skaven and Greenskin invasions to kill any surviving Runesmiths, is astonishing.
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I don't really think that kills my reading that The Sandmans position is "Thinking a college is the best way forward and being willing to swap to a differnent plan if a better is offered." I don't know we're going to get further in interpreting without the sandman actually stepping in.
Besides I agree this is a dwarf quest, however my involvement in this started when I asked you a clarifying question that you then dodged:
So far all I can gather from this is that for you Dwarf quest means "No academies", and I assume that by extension you're unwilling to accept any cultural changes to runesmithing at all? You know since that last update had the start of two shifts in dwarf culture, boats and griffon riding which you aren't complaining about so you're obviously willing to accept some degree of dwarf culture changes.
We'd get a lot more done, if you could set out your vision and discuss around that. However the closest we've gotten to an affirmative position from you is "make good stuff", "communicate more but not in an academy like way" and "Yes I would support the Telegraphs plan".
...boats and gryphon riding aren't comparable to upsetting the Apprenticeship system, not in the least.
I don't know how to take this.
Comparing the building block to Dwarf society to... disliking mounts and water. The latter is even one that we know Dwarfs can get over, given Barak Varr in canon. I also believe that the Norse Dwarfs used wooden longboats? I know they had Skojtraken, but I can't remember how much GW flip flopped on that aspect of Norse Dwarfs.
I simply don't want to expand from the Apprenticeship system. It's proven to be durable. I prefer what we have been doing. That
anything Rune-related survived the War of Vengeance and the Time of Woes should be impressive rather have people use what the Dwarfs lost to disdain the survivors. Teaching Runes to Runesmiths and Journeymen that wish to learn them is quite sufficient for me.
The Dwarfs take Apprenticeship to a much further extreme than humans ever did, which I believe I mentioned already, maybe in a previous post over the past vote. Eh.
There are several things which seem to be responsible for Dwarf survival of the Time of Woes. Stubbornness. The fact that the Karaks were fortresses despite not fortifying the Underway.
I swear half the users seem to have forgotten we are playing as a radical northern Runelord and would much rather play as some super-oathbound souther Runelord who never did anything without it already having been done a hundred times in the past...
Really annoying, but I suppose that's why we have votes.
I really want to see Snorri opening up Runecraft among the younger generation of Runesmiths, and quite frankly arguments that boil down to 'tradition for tradition's sake' simply aren't holding much water with me.
Thats not the kind of dwarf Snorri is, that's not the kind of dwarf Snorri has been. That's not the kind of dwarf Yorri is.
Seriously it's crazy how there seems to be a huge surge of ultra traditionalists who are going on about how straying from tradition would mean we're no longer 'dwarves' at all anymore, when that's pretty much WHAT snorri's success and reputation is based on more than not?
This isn't an ultra-orthodox dwarf quest, and I don't get all the people pretending it is.
This is completely ridiculous. It is not "ultra-orthodox" to insist on maintaining the Apprenticeship system. The Apprenticeship system is right up there with Grudges and perfectionism as being a bedrock of Dwarf culture. Try removing one of those two and see how Dwarf like your Dwarfs are.
It's okay to release the Runes we have. But trying to open a college would get the House of Runelords to
unanimously condemn the decision. Because we are currently teaching what? Nine Runes to anyone who comes by and decides to learn? Two of which are for Journeymen, with one being a Master Rune.
I do not see it being possible to retain the no AP cost if we're going to start getting into serious numbers of Runes that would "open up Runesmithing among the younger generation." We'd have to coral Runesmiths into working with us, which you know, colleges have multiple teachers.
That would be seen as trampling on the independence of Runesmiths.
We KNOW the M/A system played a huge role in the destruction of widescale rune craft in the aftermath of the age of woes due to a severe lack of masters, likewise its very possible we will soon, or are even NOW, suffering from a glut of would be apprentices without enough masters to go around due to the growing dwarven population.
Citation needed.
That Runesmithing survived the Time of Woes is a miracle by itself. Yes, the Apprenticeship system meant that the experts had the knowledge on how shit worked, but that holds true for basically everything. It is hardly a surprise when earthquakes throw down your fortresses and greenskins and skaven invade and kill anyone and everyone they can that knowledge as a whole declines.
That a system isn't ready for the god damn apocalypse isn't a mark against it, even in Warhammer.
It is completely ridiculous to suggest that there are large numbers potential Runesmiths going without teachers. Dolgi Bolgisson had problems finding a teacher for Dolgi Dolgisson, but what we have currently suggests that instead of parents trying to
find Masters, Masters are looking for apprentices. We certainly pushed that on Kraka Grom, so I don't see any reason to think it still isn't going on.
Even with Dolgi Dolgisson it was a matter of waiting a year or two rather than giving up on Runesmithing.
The odds, the sheer blessing of having all five of his children having the gift is...is preposterous! But the hammer does not lie, and the celebratory beer is not taken out on a whim. His little girls, unlike his son, received far more offers to train. The newest crop of Masters finally coming onto the age where they would take on apprentices of their own, which he too was soon approaching. It is a difficult thing to decide on a list of Masters that best suited each of his children. Temperament, skill, personality, all these things had to be taken into account as Master Snorri once taught him.
