Rex Raptor and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Island Tournament (A Yu-Gi-Oh! Quest)

Honestly, I think after this but before Battle City or whatever, we need a bounce-back tourney of some kind. Somewhere we can show we're still a contender, get people talking about us again.

Which yes is a funny way of thinking about it, but we're a fifteen year old Sports prodigy/star, we need to win tournaments to keep up with the... whatever the duelist world is, which by and large cares nothing about Heart of the Cards or ancient Egyptian nonsense, and instead might care more about "got second place and then didn't place in Duelist Kingdom."

...I have no idea how much of the, like, endorsements/etc culture actually exists, and how much is basically just down to QMs making it up, honestly.
 
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Honestly, I think after this but before Battle City or whatever, we need a bounce-back tourney of some kind. Somewhere we can show we're still a contender, get people talking about us again.

Which yes is a funny way of thinking about it, but we're a fifteen year old Sports prodigy/star, we need to win tournaments to keep up with the... whatever the duelist world is, which by and large cares nothing about Heart of the Cards or ancient Egyptian nonsense, and instead might care more about "got second place and then didn't place in Duelist Kingdom."

...I have no idea how much of the, like, endorsements/etc culture actually exists, and how much is basically just down to QMs making it up, honestly.
Well there is plenty of filler in between, think Joey mentioned he had a tournament that he competed in, it was in his flashback that he lost it.

Could do that
 
[X] Try to bargain your way in as Koyo's +1.
[X] Try to appeal to the integrity of this tournament as a competitive event.


Sneaking up is fun and all, but contrary to everybody else* Rex happens to be the 'actual' professional duelist who has a recent title under his belt. And it's a regional title sure, but he's still pretty young when you compare to the mostly adult Card Professors in the USA.

Seeing him try to leverage his achievements, reputation and youth for an invitation... may honestly be pretty funny but also be a reminder that despite his failure to qualify and Jonouchi's taunts, by all accounts he is really good and has been consistently good rather than just grabbing the occasional victory. Like you know, give our boy a reminder that he has some achievements to be proud one and maybe a shot at being acknowledge for it.

* (Mai would count too but I can't recall if she was associated with any title, and Keith is a washed up star so playing in a slightly different category)
 
I always assumed off-camera tournament wins against people who aren't Yugi are how people like Rex, Weevil, Keith, Mai, etc. stay relevant despite getting creamed every time they're on-camera.
 
[X] Try to bargain your way in as Koyo's +1.
[X] Try to appeal to the integrity of this tournament as a competitive event.


Yea, I buy the argument that Rex doesn't actually want to just force his way into Pegasus's castle because he actually has something on the line in his professional integrity , rather than Yugi and the Gang who are just here to save Grandpa.

But he also has too much pride to beg Mai for chips, because seriously she just leads to Bad Decision Town for Rex so he's matured enough now to stay away.
 
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...I have no idea how much of the, like, endorsements/etc culture actually exists, and how much is basically just down to QMs making it up, honestly.
In the manga the game is described as having "a small following in Japan" in the chapter it's introduced.

Then you have Death-T arc where holograms are introduced and it's a big deal with lots of kids there to watch Kaiba's match against Yugi, but I mostly put that down to Kaiba inviting every orphan he could find to play in Kaibaland for it's big opening.

Then the Nationals occur, and by this point it's grown enough as a phenomenon to be televised. Is the game itself blowing up, or is this mainly because holograms are the hot new thing and Kaiba flat out refused to license out the tech for anything that isn't this card game? Hard to say. The timeslot is relatively decent, since the gang are all able to gather to watch, but this might indicate it's a late afternoon thing rather than a real prime time slot, and no idea if this is some niche game culture cable channel Grandpa's signed up to that usually airs chess replays or high stakes poker.

Then there's duelist kingdom, and it... is weird. $200,000 is a lot of money, but it's a small tourney, and it's not televised or anything, as far as we know. Also appears to be exclusively Japanese competitors, which would be odd considering how recently nationals were. But then you realise all that weirdness is explained away by Duelist Kingdom being pegasus' pet project specifically to face Kaiba in a duel and beat him so he can gain control of the company (which then gets reshuffled a little when Yugi defeats Seto first at Death-T) so it was never about promotion or profitability.

Likewise, Battle City is specifically a pet project for Kaiba to lure in the Rare Hunters and win the god cards. This is just more rich guys doing rich guy things without concern for profits because fuck you I'm rich.

Keith's exhibition match against Pegasus that filled a literal arena, had an enormous wager and was televised all over America indicates to me that back at home it must be a major thing with big deals and sponsorships, since no holograms means people attended or tuned in to watch two men literally play with cardboard, but I'm just not totally certain how big it was in Japan. Kaiba really helped accelerate it though, so after DK I can see endorsements starting to become a thing, though perhaps not super quickly.

And then by DSOD Kaiba's efforts appear to have turned Domino into a magic & wizards Mecca where it's a really big thing. So by then definitely big money in it, but mainly just because Pappy Kaiba give money plz.

Edit: Forgot to talk about the R spinoff, which establishes the existence of the Card Professors Guild (in the original manga it's only Keith who is referred to as the Card Professor, one of his nicknames showcasing how good he is). This bit of info just reinforces what we already knew though, that M&W is big in America and you can make a ton of money on the circuit if you win big, which is the whole reason the the professors guild exists.

Why they all speak fluent Japanese despite being American is something you gotta just handwave away. Pegasus was eccentric and a travelling businessman so he could easily have picked up the language. His adopted sons were Japanese so obviously they speak it too, and maybe they're why he learned it in the first place. Two of the card Professor Guild members were also adopted by Pegasus, or at least his proteges, so they probably learned the language from the Tenma twins, and it disseminated out.

My theory as proposed in this quest is that after Death-T and the reveal of holograms, serious competitive pros around the world probably guessed that Japan would be the next hotbed of M&W profitability and rapidly studied the language. This is why Cedar is decent at Japanese but has some phrases he can't quite pin down, and Tilla can barely string together any phrases in Japanese that aren't literally statements from the M&W Japanese rulebook, she has focused solely on learning the language to a level of "can passably play the game with some pointing and miming". It helps that since the game started in America most of our canon pro Japanese duelist's probably learned early from card translations and are familiar with the English terminology for the game, so the Americans can default to "summon" instead of "Shokan" for instance.
 
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The fact that Rex can apparently use it as basically literally a job he does to give his family a little extra money to get by does imply that the top level players can make something like a decent living off of it... but for all I know someone's about to tell me that X, Y, and Z obscure franchise game can also lead to steady incomes.

...and I checked, and a pro MTG player could theoretically make hundreds of thousands of dollars or something crazy if they had a really great year.

So put that way, the $200,000 prize is unusual but not COMPLETELY off the rocker for a new and up and coming card game.
 
Also, if Kaibacorp/Industrial illusions are doing a big push for Magic and Wizards in Japan, the prize budgets are probably well above what the scene could 'sustain' because it's coming out of the marketing budget basically.

Think about Esports and how there are a bunch of professional esports players, but the scenes live because the companies involved are throwing money at the competitive scenes and as soon as the company stops funding esports, the scene collapses.

This year was probably the first year with decent prize pools + televised events in Japan, and the low barrier to entry is how Rex - a 15 year old - can make money out of it, by being in the right place at the right time.

And like esports players, Rex has to keep up and improve along with the scene, or get left behind. Thats the quest!
 
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The fact that Rex can apparently use it as basically literally a job he does to give his family a little extra money to get by does imply that the top level players can make something like a decent living off of it... but for all I know someone's about to tell me that X, Y, and Z obscure franchise game can also lead to steady incomes.

...and I checked, and a pro MTG player could theoretically make hundreds of thousands of dollars or something crazy if they had a really great year.

So put that way, the $200,000 prize is unusual but not COMPLETELY off the rocker for a new and up and coming card game.
This is absolutely the case. I wouldn't say it's "quit your day job" level in Japan just yet on this part of the timeline, but if we pretend, for example, that nationals paid out $10k to the winner, and each regional paid out a grand or two, plus the money you can make selling rare prize cards to collectors, then yeah you could definitely supplement even part time earnings pretty well.

Just a reminder that each BEWD cost easily more than a house to buy, and even REBD was a $2000 investment that Rex fronted up for. Him investing that much money suggests to me he probably expected to be able to make it back at a relatively decent pace with the added power of REBD in his deck.
 
One day the card game will probably rival or surpass MTG at least from what Vagrant has said about its future, and that had a $250,000 prize in 2022. Which obviously, inflation exists, Yugioh is somewhere back in the 90s/2000s or something, not 100% sure on the timeline.

But yeah, let's make it through DK and pick up some spending money thorugh tourneys and some reputation on our path to revamping the deck in preparation for the Tribute-pocalypse.
 
[X] Try to bargain your way in as Koyo's +1.
[X] Try to appeal to the integrity of this tournament as a competitive event.

Unless he is planning to bring in someone else as his +1 this should not be too hard. But I am wondering what Mai will do when she returns with all the extra star chips? There are too many star chips still in play.
 
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One day the card game will probably rival or surpass MTG at least from what Vagrant has said about its future, and that had a $250,000 prize in 2022. Which obviously, inflation exists, Yugioh is somewhere back in the 90s/2000s or something, not 100% sure on the timeline.

But yeah, let's make it through DK and pick up some spending money thorugh tourneys and some reputation on our path to revamping the deck in preparation for the Tribute-pocalypse.
Did a bit more quick research, and the very first MTG Pro Tour at the beginning of 1996 had a total cash prize pool of $30,000, with $12,000 of that going to the winner. The next tourney, 4 months later, pumped the total prize pool to $100,000, and by 1997, 18 months later, it was sitting at $200,000 total prize pool, with $50,000 or so going to first place.

Now back those details up with groundbreaking hologram tech that people are desperate to get in on at the ground floor, and Kaiba just apparently throwing the approximate spending of a small nation's GDP at the game, and... Yeah. Big money.

I think it'd be fair to say that the season tourneys in America (one every four months or so) have already climbed to that vaunted $50,000+ prize pool for winners. In Japan, where it's still "niche" I do think that $10k prize estimate is reasonable, but about to really ramp up.
 
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Did a bit more quick research, and the very first MTG Pro Tour at the beginning of 1996 had a total cash prize pool of $30,000, with $12,000 of that going to the winner. The next tourney, 4 months later, pumped the total prize pool to $100,000, and by 1997, 18 months later, it was sitting at $200,000 total prize pool, with $50,000 or so going to first place.

Now back those details up with groundbreaking hologram tech that people are desperate to get in on at the ground floor, and Kaiba just apparently throwing the approximate spending of a small nation's GDP at the game, and... Yeah. Big money.

I think it'd be fair to say that the season tourneys in America (one every four months or so) have already climbed to that vaunted $50,000+ prize pool for winners. In Japan, where it's still "niche" I do think that $10k prize estimate is reasonable, but about to really ramp up.

And so you start to do math, and so if there's $10k top prize, then the second prize is probably a few thousand. And so if REBD had even half credit for helping him get those big wins... to then lose in the finals, then it'd have already basically paid for itself, or close to it. It was undoubtedly a good investment... and then some blond guy with a big mouth took it off of him. :V
 
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[X] Try to bargain your way in as Koyo's +1.

Unless he is planning to bring in someone else as his +1 this should not be too hard. But I am wondering what Mai will do when she returns with all the extra star chips? There are too many star chips still in play.
The bargaining part is that nobody is actually normally permitted a +1. It's 10 star chips in the door or else you can't come in. I don't think they show it in the anime because they downplay the fighting skills, but the only reason that Yugi's friends get inside is that Jou and Honda beat the shit out of the guard at the gate when he turns Honda, Bakura and Anzu away, and they go in over his unconscious body.

And apparently Pegasus is cool with people showing that sort of initiative and can-do spirit because they aren't just immediately kicked back out by the rest of the armed guards.
 
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The bargaining part is that nobody is actually normally permitted a +1. It's 10 star chips in the door or else you can't come in. I don't think they show it in the anime because they downplay the fighting skills, but the only reason that Yugi's friends get inside is that Jou and Honda beat the shit out of the guard at the gate when he turns Honda, Bakura and Anzu away, and they go in over his unconscious body.

And apparently Pegasus is cool with people showing that sort of initiative and can-do spirit because they aren't just immediately kicked back out by the rest of the armed guards.

I just rewatched the episode due to the quest and in the anime Attention Duelists is distracted by Mai for a moment, and the others literally run pass him into the star chip opened door and bar it behind them so the guard is stuck outside. With a similar lack of consequences.
 
The bargaining part is that nobody is actually normally permitted a +1. It's 10 star chips in the door or else you can't come in. I don't think they show it in the anime because they downplay the fighting skills, but the only reason that Yugi's friends get inside is that Jou and Honda beat the shit out of the guard at the gate when he turns Honda, Bakura and Anzu away, and they go in over his unconscious body.

And apparently Pegasus is cool with people showing that sort of initiative and can-do spirit because they aren't just immediately kicked back out by the rest of the armed guards.
Oh yeah, for some reason I just thought you could bring a +1.

I should know better because I have read the manga and but has not seen the anime for some reason. Not until the end though because my library did not have the last volumes so the last thing I remember are people dueling on top of an airship.
 
Oh yeah, for some reason I just thought you could bring a +1.

I should know better because I have read the manga and but has not seen the anime for some reason. Not until the end though because my library did not have the last volumes so the last thing I remember are people dueling on top of an airship.
BC prelims were a fun sub-arc, I enjoyed them a lot.
 
[X] Try to bargain your way in as Koyo's +1.
[X] Try to slip by when Jonouchi and Honda beat up the security guards.
 
[X ] Try to bargain your way in as Koyo's +1.
[X] Try to slip by when Jonouchi and Honda beat up the security guards.


But I wonder how else you would get into the castle?
is there a servant's entrance?
 
[X] Try to bargain your way in as Koyo's +1.
[X] Try to appeal to the integrity of this tournament as a competitive event.
 
Gah, yeah sucks to lose, but we put him into several situations where if he hadn't been able to keep up the pressure, he'd have outright lost.

And forcing him to use Black Luster Soldier, and then outright neutralising it with a graveyard trap, was impressive. At the very least, we showed that we're not just a meathead.

I feel satisfied with this. Frustrated, but satisfied.

[X] Try to bargain your way in as Koyo's +1.
[X] Try to slip by when Jonouchi and Honda beat up the security guards.

Still hoping to loan Jonouchi Meteor Dragon so he does something nasty with it. I really, really want to see a Red-Eyes equivalent to BEUD, even if we don't get to use it.
 
...considering spells being used as quickplays despite not being that, couldn't Rex use coevolutionary miracle to save his hid? We don't know what he drew after that.
 
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