Revan, Once More [KOTOR/SW]

It's nice to see this quest back. I think I'll enjoy the direction this is going - no skulking around, just straight up Rebellion.
Revan is an incredibly gifted General, Bastilla has Battle Meditation, and I'm pretty sure Canderous and Carth are also pretty talented at this war thing.
 
[x] Hope

I can't really think of anything to say, other than Hope is probably one of the few things lacking in this dark and shattered time.
 
@TekomandorWill the interlude be something Revan is aware of through a force vision, or simply something meant to give us a glimpse into what is going on in the galaxy?
 
Is Revan one of the few people that Thrawn can't beat in pure tactics?
Thrawn vs Revan is an interesting matchup in terms of tactics. Thrawn has an almost supernatural understanding of culture, and the way that affects warfare that allows him to understand his enemy on a level that an analysis of personality alone can't reach. Revan understands the flow of events, actions and reactions through both inituition and the Force. She has a singular gift for knowing what her enemy will do, and reacting to it before they've even thought to do it themselves.

Who is the superior tactician overall is question for the quest to answer, not me.
 
Thrawn vs Revan is an interesting matchup in terms of tactics. Thrawn has an almost supernatural understanding of culture, and the way that affects warfare that allows him to understand his enemy on a level that an analysis of personality alone can't reach. Revan understands the flow of events, actions and reactions through both inituition and the Force. She has a singular gift for knowing what her enemy will do, and reacting to it before they've even thought to do it themselves.

Who is the superior tactician overall is question for the quest to answer, not me.

I'd honestly be leaning more towards Revan with what she did...

She single-handedly turned the war against the Mandalorians around, bringing them to their knees and crushing their leader and clans, scattering them throughout the galaxy. And then she came back and kicked around the Republic, and even Bastila's Battle Meditation was only able to slow Revan down, not stop her advance, as the Sith were tactically and numerically superior.. and Revan had crushed the Republic so much already that even the loss of Revan didn't stop the retreat of the Republic.

Arguably in my view, Revan has the edge, especially with Bastila and Battle Meditation there to back her up as well.

Now it's just a question of if we could sufficiently put forward a Revan-like plan that'd beat Thrawn if we were to face him. And if we had the units to bring victory...

Also can't forget that Revan is also a really capable strategist(and it's unclear if she's better at strategy or tactics), and she was so skilled at war that the Echani thought she had some form of Battle Precognition.


[x] Hope
 
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First, a disclaimer- there's a lot of material relevant to the Mandalorian Wars I haven't read. So if any of the below is contradicted by a canon source, please feel free to correct me.

That said, given what I know of the Mandalorian Wars, Revan doesn't actually need to be a peerless tactician- she has underlings for that. The Republic had an enormous advantage in size and industry over the Mandalorians, and in all honesty, I think that as long as Revan had a solid grasp of Strategy and a good understanding of Logistics, the outcome of the Mandalorian Wars was pretty much inevitable. In a lot of ways it's actually pretty easy to draw parallels to the American Civil War- The Confederacy won a number of battles at the beginning by virtue of having better generals then the Union, but the Union was always going to hopelessly outclass them in terms of Industry and Logistics. Similarly, while the Mandalorians started the War with superior troops and officers and won a number of victories, the Republic was always just that much bigger then them. All it needed to win was for the Military Command to properly understand those advantages, to turn it's massive industrial might towards warmaking, and apply it accordingly.

Which isn't to say that the Republic couldn't have lost the war, but I think that'd have more to do with a political failure then the Mandalorians conquering everything. The Republic has a lot of space to trade for time at the end of the day.

Now, this isn't to say that Revan is a terrible general. She was probably a good tactician who could and did manage fleet engagements and ground battles. It's just that the real skills she needs to win the war for the Republic have more to do with managing the logistics of a massive war machine, building a decent officer corps, understanding the strategic necessities of the campaign, maneuvering through the various bureaucracies of the Republic to get them to give her what she wanted, and the charisma to get everyone to give her all that power in the first place. Tactics is kind of secondary to all of that.

Basically, Revan's role in the Mandalorian Wars was probably more Eisenhower then Patton. While she certainly ended up in tactical command and lead from the front on numerous occasions because this is Star Wars and she's a Jedi, that probably wasn't the most important thing she was doing, really. Or at least it shouldn't be, not with a war on this scale. So I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Thrawn could beat her in a fleet engagement where they both have comparable forces. Thrawn's ability to understand his enemies and their blind spots is practically witchcraft, and there was probably a fair amount written about Revan's command style. If he knows who she is, and has access to some or all of that, I'd give him good odds in fighting her. It's his thing.

It's just that they aren't going to be fighting in a giant featureless box with equal forces. Revan's charismatic, the Empire is corrupt and evil to an almost absurd degree, and Revan is already convincing large numbers of Imperials to defect. If Revan ever learns of the Noghri, it's perfectly possible that Thrawn will die the exact same way he did in his trilogy.

Also, she has one of the better practitioners of Battle Meditation working for her. That counts for a lot.
 
On a phone, can't respond properly but Revan's strengths were her ability to predict her opponents movements (supposedly at the level where she could tell how the war would go after seeing the first battle and knowing the leaders) as well as sheer brutal pragmatism, an example would be stripping garrisons from less vital places (dooming them) to support the vital ones. Pretty sure it was also revealed in the second game that as a sith, she conquered republic so that rebuilding was surprisingly easy.

As for Thrawn, I got nothing. But, does he have Revan's art (from her people/time period) to do his thing? Probably some art about her but that doesn't help if its made after her time.

//edit: Forgot to vote.
[x] Hope
 
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