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Reforging the Legions (Warhammer 40K)

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[X] Plan: Siege Warfare
-[X] Waaagh and Prejudice (Orks, Khorne)
-[X] Iron Warriors

[X]Plan: Spyware Warfare
-[X] Of Fate and the Forgotten
-[X] Alpha Legion

[X] Plan: Rat Exterminators
-[X] Triskaidekaphobia (Xenos, Chaos)
-[X] Death Guard

[X] Plan: Repaying their massive debt
- [X] Abominable Intellects (Dark Mechanicus, Legio Cybernetica)
- [X] Sons of Horus

[X] Plan: Church vs Nobility
-[X] The Stormlord (Necrons)
-[X] Word Bearers
 
[X] Plan Social Engineering Arms Race
-[X] Of Fate and the Forgotten (Tzeentch, Imperium): 'Outis the Journeyman' seeks The Thousand Sons in the hopes that sharing sorcerous knowledge might break Tzeentch's hold. Meanwhile the Alpha Legion has been spotted across the Segmentum Pacificus laying the groundwork for...something. The Dark Angels have promised to investigate these things. Best to assist them and try to disrupt whatever plans have been laid.
-[X] Word Bearers: The most patient legion, preferring pointed words to swords and bolter. Without the pressures of the Great Crusade you will be able to take better advantage of their strengths. The same hands that build wonders can bring ruin to any foe. Give them purpose and they will work miracles.

[X] Plan Big Brain? Meet BIGGER BRAIN!
-[X] Of Fate and the Forgotten (Tzeentch, Imperium): 'Outis the Journeyman' seeks The Thousand Sons in the hopes that sharing sorcerous knowledge might break Tzeentch's hold. Meanwhile the Alpha Legion has been spotted across the Segmentum Pacificus laying the groundwork for...something. The Dark Angels have promised to investigate these things. Best to assist them and try to disrupt whatever plans have been laid.
-[X] Iron Warriors: Traditionally they were used in meatgrinder sieges and garrison units behind the lines. However this usage ignores the unique strengths this geneline brings to bear. Most notably the gene seed is stable and plentiful alongside with a knack for creative problem solving.

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[X] Plan: Decapitation Strike
 
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[X] Plan Social Engineering Arms Race
-[X] Of Fate and the Forgotten (Tzeentch, Imperium): 'Outis the Journeyman' seeks The Thousand Sons in the hopes that sharing sorcerous knowledge might break Tzeentch's hold. Meanwhile the Alpha Legion has been spotted across the Segmentum Pacificus laying the groundwork for...something. The Dark Angels have promised to investigate these things. Best to assist them and try to disrupt whatever plans have been laid.
-[X] Word Bearers: The most patient legion, preferring pointed words to swords and bolter. Without the pressures of the Great Crusade you will be able to take better advantage of their strengths. The same hands that build wonders can bring ruin to any foe. Give them purpose and they will work miracles.

[X] Plan Big Brain? Meet BIGGER BRAIN!
-[X] Of Fate and the Forgotten (Tzeentch, Imperium): 'Outis the Journeyman' seeks The Thousand Sons in the hopes that sharing sorcerous knowledge might break Tzeentch's hold. Meanwhile the Alpha Legion has been spotted across the Segmentum Pacificus laying the groundwork for...something. The Dark Angels have promised to investigate these things. Best to assist them and try to disrupt whatever plans have been laid.
-[X] Iron Warriors: Traditionally they were used in meatgrinder sieges and garrison units behind the lines. However this usage ignores the unique strengths this geneline brings to bear. Most notably the gene seed is stable and plentiful alongside with a knack for creative problem solving.

[X] Plan: Decapitation Strike.

I like this plans and maybe something changes about Lions fate of getting comad until 42K

Also I feel like id be fun to see both orks crises and dealing with the outcome or having to stand as a 3rd party to Chaos vs Ork War.
 
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[X] Plan: Emperor Reapers

[X]Plan: The Myrmidons

[X] Plan: Until they see the glow of our barrels.

[X] Plan Social Engineering Arms Race

[X] Plan: Siege Warfare
 
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[X]Plan: The Myrmidons
-[X] Waaagh and Prejudice (Orks, Khorne): Bronze Midir has been blessed with skill and hubris in equal measure. The iconoclast is not content with his own god's displeasure. Instead he seeks to challenge the Twin Gods for the souls of their children. He has made a throne from the corpses of eight Warbosses and raises the banner of eternal war. To him rally Stormboyz, Freebootaz, Gretchin and every Greenskin that values strength above all else. For now the disfavored gathers his strength but soon the Red Waaagh will march for Armageddon. At his command they build a tremendous fleet, better to burn them in port then face them it in battle. (This Crisis will progress in one turn)
-[X] Alpha Legion: Buried beneath their father's egomaniacal plans lies a deep well of competence. The Alpha Legion is known for their skill at subterfuge but perhaps their most remarkable ability is in coordination. They would have been masters of combined arms, if only they had bothered to try. Too blinded by imagined glory, and too insecure to see their own potential. Set them right.

[X] Plan Social Engineering Arms Race
 
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[X] Plan Magic must fight magic
-[X] Of Fate and the Forgotten (Tzeentch, Imperium): 'Outis the Journeyman' seeks The Thousand Sons in the hopes that sharing sorcerous knowledge might break Tzeentch's hold. Meanwhile the Alpha Legion has been spotted across the Segmentum Pacificus laying the groundwork for...something. The Dark Angels have promised to investigate these things. Best to assist them and try to disrupt whatever plans have been laid.
-[X] Thousand Sons: The awakening of their psykers blunted the growth of this legion. Not merely in number but in their other skills. This gene seed is remarkably adaptable. Shorn from Magnus's grasp what remains is almost a blank slate. Some intellectual tendencies, higher then average rate of marginally weaker psykers, some preternatural perceptiveness, but a relatively unspecialized breed all told.

[X] Plan: Siege Warfare
 
[X] Plan: Pride in Prejudice
Let's see how son of fulgrim help imperium and kinda bored with alpha Legion alpaharius this and that
 
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Let's see how son of fulgrim help imperium and kinda bored with alpha Legion alpaharius this and that
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Actually agree, people seriously overestimate Alpha Legion. However, I don't feel the Children fit the request. Luna Wolves definitely fit more, being famous during the Great Crusade for their strikes against the enemy leadership, something crucial for continued existence of Chaos Warbands in general and Ork society.
 
Dlan the Wizard said:
Actually agree, people seriously overestimate Alpha Legion. However, I don't feel the Children fit the request. Luna Wolves definitely fit more, being famous during the Great Crusade for their strikes against the enemy leadership, something crucial for continued existence of Chaos Warbands in general and Ork society.
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Alpha Legion took their sweet time too much with complicated schemes instead of just going for the throat when they can. Mind they were great schemers but Guilliman had very good reason for critisizing their methods since it cause way too much damage and confusion to planets they conquered.

Admittedly Alpha legion probably took less losses due to their schemes.
 
Adhoc vote count started by Dlan the Wizard on Oct 15, 2024 at 10:51 PM, finished with 47 posts and 23 votes.
  • [X] Plan: Pride in Prejudice
    -[X] Waaagh and Prejudice (Orks, Khorne): Bronze Midir has been blessed with skill and hubris in equal measure. The iconoclast is not content with his own god's displeasure. Instead he seeks to challenge the Twin Gods for the souls of their children. He has made a throne from the corpses of eight Warbosses and raises the banner of eternal war. To him rally Stormboyz, Freebootaz, Gretchin and every Greenskin that values strength above all else. For now the disfavored gathers his strength but soon the Red Waaagh will march for Armageddon. At his command they build a tremendous fleet, better to burn them in port then face them it in battle. (This Crisis will progress in one turn)
    -[X] Emperor's Children: Fulgrim's children deserved better. Few in number so they learned to excel in all things instead. So it was and so it will be again. This stock demands greatness and brings all it's attendant tragedies. Yet they will never be lesser for it.
    [X]Plan: The Myrmidons
    -[X] Waaagh and Prejudice (Orks, Khorne): Bronze Midir has been blessed with skill and hubris in equal measure. The iconoclast is not content with his own god's displeasure. Instead he seeks to challenge the Twin Gods for the souls of their children. He has made a throne from the corpses of eight Warbosses and raises the banner of eternal war. To him rally Stormboyz, Freebootaz, Gretchin and every Greenskin that values strength above all else. For now the disfavored gathers his strength but soon the Red Waaagh will march for Armageddon. At his command they build a tremendous fleet, better to burn them in port then face them it in battle. (This Crisis will progress in one turn)
    -[X] Alpha Legion: Buried beneath their father's egomaniacal plans lies a deep well of competence. The Alpha Legion is known for their skill at subterfuge but perhaps their most remarkable ability is in coordination. They would have been masters of combined arms, if only they had bothered to try. Too blinded by imagined glory, and too insecure to see their own potential. Set them right.
    [X] Plan: Decapitation Strike
    -[X] Waaagh and Prejudice (Orks, Khorne): Bronze Midir has been blessed with skill and hubris in equal measure. The iconoclast is not content with his own god's displeasure. Instead he seeks to challenge the Twin Gods for the souls of their children. He has made a throne from the corpses of eight Warbosses and raises the banner of eternal war. To him rally Stormboyz, Freebootaz, Gretchin and every Greenskin that values strength above all else. For now the disfavored gathers his strength but soon the Red Waaagh will march for Armageddon. At his command they build a tremendous fleet, better to burn them in port then face them it in battle. (This Crisis will progress in one turn)
    -[X] Sons of Horus: This gene seed calls out for red battle, to face the foe and make itself pure once more. They will make fine pathfinders and vanguards for mankind's armies. Let them rally their brothers and mend what bonds have been broken. Has the time for redemption finally come?
    [X] Plan: Siege Warfare
    -[X] Waaagh and Prejudice (Orks, Khorne)
    -[X] Iron Warriors
    [X] Plan Social Engineering Arms Race
    -[X] Of Fate and the Forgotten (Tzeentch, Imperium): 'Outis the Journeyman' seeks The Thousand Sons in the hopes that sharing sorcerous knowledge might break Tzeentch's hold. Meanwhile the Alpha Legion has been spotted across the Segmentum Pacificus laying the groundwork for...something. The Dark Angels have promised to investigate these things. Best to assist them and try to disrupt whatever plans have been laid.
    -[X] Word Bearers: The most patient legion, preferring pointed words to swords and bolter. Without the pressures of the Great Crusade you will be able to take better advantage of their strengths. The same hands that build wonders can bring ruin to any foe. Give them purpose and they will work miracles.
    [X] Plan Big Brain? Meet BIGGER BRAIN!
    -[X] Of Fate and the Forgotten (Tzeentch, Imperium): 'Outis the Journeyman' seeks The Thousand Sons in the hopes that sharing sorcerous knowledge might break Tzeentch's hold. Meanwhile the Alpha Legion has been spotted across the Segmentum Pacificus laying the groundwork for...something. The Dark Angels have promised to investigate these things. Best to assist them and try to disrupt whatever plans have been laid.
    -[X] Iron Warriors: Traditionally they were used in meatgrinder sieges and garrison units behind the lines. However this usage ignores the unique strengths this geneline brings to bear. Most notably the gene seed is stable and plentiful alongside with a knack for creative problem solving.
    [X] Plan: Emperor Reapers.
    -[X] Waaagh and Prejudice (Orks, Khorne): Bronze Midir has been blessed with skill and hubris in equal measure. The iconoclast is not content with his own god's displeasure. Instead he seeks to challenge the Twin Gods for the souls of their children. He has made a throne from the corpses of eight Warbosses and raises the banner of eternal war. To him rally Stormboyz, Freebootaz, Gretchin and every Greenskin that values strength above all else. For now the disfavored gathers his strength but soon the Red Waaagh will march for Armageddon. At his command they build a tremendous fleet, better to burn them in port then face them it in battle.
    -[X] Death Guard: Though few in number it seems that any psykers born of this gene seed will be particularly powerful to compensate. Otherwise the Death Guard were almost painfully reliable. Favoring straightforward tactics where they could leverage their superior durability and discipline. The path stretches into eternity, but they will endure all the same.
    [X] Plan: Until they see the glow of our barrels.
    [X] Plan Magic must fight magic
    -[X] Of Fate and the Forgotten (Tzeentch, Imperium): 'Outis the Journeyman' seeks The Thousand Sons in the hopes that sharing sorcerous knowledge might break Tzeentch's hold. Meanwhile the Alpha Legion has been spotted across the Segmentum Pacificus laying the groundwork for...something. The Dark Angels have promised to investigate these things. Best to assist them and try to disrupt whatever plans have been laid.
    -[X] Thousand Sons: The awakening of their psykers blunted the growth of this legion. Not merely in number but in their other skills. This gene seed is remarkably adaptable. Shorn from Magnus's grasp what remains is almost a blank slate. Some intellectual tendencies, higher then average rate of marginally weaker psykers, some preternatural perceptiveness, but a relatively unspecialized breed all told.
    [X]Plan: Spyware Warfare
    -[X] Of Fate and the Forgotten
    -[X] Alpha Legion
    [X] Plan: Rat Exterminators
    -[X] Triskaidekaphobia (Xenos, Chaos)
    -[X] Death Guard
    [X] Plan: Repaying their massive debt
    - [X] Abominable Intellects (Dark Mechanicus, Legio Cybernetica)
    - [X] Sons of Horus
    [X] Plan: Church vs Nobility
    -[X] The Stormlord (Necrons)
    -[X] Word Bearers
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Current tally.
 
Dlan the Wizard said:
Actually agree, people seriously overestimate Alpha Legion. However, I don't feel the Children fit the request. Luna Wolves definitely fit more, being famous during the Great Crusade for their strikes against the enemy leadership, something crucial for continued existence of Chaos Warbands in general and Ork society.
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Right now I'd say there are three obvious solutions to Midir if you fight him this turn, and each Legion likely leans towards two of them by default (though you're honestly more shaped by planet, CM and training).

The first option is to meet him openly and in conventional warfare. He has a powerful Waagh at his back but it's still a conventional foe and can be fought as such. There's plenty of precedent for dealing with such things.

The second is that you'd want to fight an asymmetrical war. Harry and harass him. Ruin his legitimacy as a Warboss. Though since he draws the most support from those disfavored in Orkish society he has an outsized force of Kommandos and alot of brutally cunning Orks in his camp to contest these ploys.

Lastly you go could go for the head. Kill Midir and the whole thing crumbles. Unfortunately that means having to assassinate or duel one of Khorne's most favored with all the challenges that brings.

Realistically you'll do some combination of all three, but how and why will vary.

Fate and the Forgotten also has a similar divergence given how many things are going on over in the Pacificus.
 
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