[X]Plan: Counter espionage?
Question which region are we in?
Question which region are we in?
Personally don't want to side with him either because as you said he's a giant dick and I don't want him to wipe out religion under the false belief that it would help against ChaosI mean, I don't plan on rolling over for the Big Golden Facist Dick, so if we don't beat him, we at least need to set ourselves up as a healthier and more functional government/group.
I will note that in this quest that aspect of the Imperial Truth is actually correct. Denying religion enmass would reduce Chaos' power over the course of millennium. If Emps managed to get that hammered down for 10k years it would start knocking Chaos' power down overall, if the dominant species refuses to let their faith go to anyone real it will not go to Chaos and even if Chaos is mostly self sufficient, it still has a tad higher operating cost than what it can self generate.I don't want him to wipe out religion under the false belief that it would help against Chaos
Yeah, chaos is unfairly good at infecting religions with its stupidity. One chaos cultist gets into the priest hood and suddenly at least one church is going to be weaving in chaos nonsense into its sermons, and with Chaos backing that one cultist is more likely than not to become the effective pope of the religion. If that happens the entire thing is basically a write off in terms of being able to be purified. That also only assumes that Chaos is trying to co-opt the entire thing. To get the faith generation all they need is to make a single meme or infect a world with a general idea of one of their domains.there is also the fact that a lot of religions ended up being subverted by chaos in obvious and subtle ways , since there were millions of faiths on millions of human world and the only person qualified to look them over for corruption safely was the emperor and there were simply not enough hours in the day to do so , it makes sense that he would do away with religion all together , this also explains why he spared the mechincums own quasi faith since he checked it for undue influence (it wasn't a full on hard core religion until the heresy) .
the issue is that the Tau are basically a race of near blanks and are a very small empire. They have what a handful of sectors to their name and maybe a grand total of a few trillion people. Compared to the Quadrillions of people, millions of worlds and massively more potent souls of humanity they are a complete rounding error to a single human world in the eyes of Chaos. Corrupting a single human world will give Chaos more immediate power, better options for continuation, more people in total. Overall, the Tau got their god by being so unpalatable that Chaos just didnt want to spend the energy for pitiful returns.I do wonder about that since with the tau (in cannon) it proves that warp gods other then the chaos gods exist (as in created post eldar gods) does that in quest those other gods are at risk mean like for example at one point the lear had a god that become part of sleanesh?
The issue is one of scale and practically for Emps. With religion outlawed as the norm then any upcoming religion is going to be noted by the bureaucrats and is going to generate a slew of reports that would reach all the way to Malcador and him, at which point he can take a short hop over there to check out the planet. Overall, Emps would rather have underground cults than deal with the hassle of de-chaosing an interstellar religion, he has done it before and it was a pain then and would be even more of a pain in this era. Its a matter of ruthless calculus of war in Emps mind, its better to sacrifice billions to save hundreds of trillions. He knows full well that there would be underground cults, religions and what not, that is part of his plan. His goal in truth is to simply prevent any interstellar religion to keep everything world locked as best as he can. Most people are also not going to be so fanatical about their beliefs as to challenge the rule of law. All of this together, means that he will only learn of the religions that are an actual threat to his plans. After all, what is more dangerous; a cult of 100 or a religion that holds sway over 100 worlds. The former Emps would shrug and let fall to Chaos, the latter could doom entire worlds to Chaos if it became corrupted. So, his solution is to just prevent the latter by outlawing religion and trust in the absolute crappy interstellar transit capabilities to keep the things from growing across worlds.Can Emperor not able to manufacture racial God? Like Type Moon Alaya to deny Chaos? I mean even enforced State Atheism is not full proof look at Communist states for example. Faith always bounce back. Better follow Eldar Godfoging to manufacture specialized God to deal with chaos. Issue after all denying human Emotions and Faith so why it use it as a Fuel for new racial God if Emperor not wish to consider to become one?
*Glances at canon*So Emps decided to not deal with that aspect, and so just got rid of religion as a state thing and made the state legally atheist.
well like everything its all erebus fault
to fair to emps , in that specific case he was explicitly sabotaged by forces of chaos so that cannon happens as it did , that chaos went to the lengths they did clearly means it would have worked
Yes, he could over the course of millennium, but honestly the Ad Mech isnt a good faith for a god to be made from. Part and parcel of their faith is the idea that all machines have spirits which separates bad tech from good tech. This means that any hypothetical god of them would be spending 99% of its energy to give every las gun in existence a personalized daemon.Can Emperor not use narrative to use Template of Omnissiash to create a God? It is after all a interstellar religion. Maybe something like Autochothan in Exalted.
I don't think the emps at this point is powerful enough to do something like this (remember in cannon its after the worship of the imperium he is able to influence things like burning nurgles realm)Can Emperor not bind his own narrative to protect the template? The Machine God, also known as the Deus Mechanicus, is the ultimate object of worship in the Cult Mechanicus. The Cult Mechanicus maintains that the Emperor is the physical manifestation of the Machine God (the Omnissiah) and part of a trinity that also includes the Machine God and the Motive Force, the deity that gives all life and motion its continued existence. Their faith very similar to Christian Trinity. Core Of Machine God is Pure Knowledge which one can not comprehend perfectly and embody infinity aka God the Father. Motive Force is Holy Spirit which is the divine force, quality, and influence of God over the Galaxy or over his creatures. Emperor himself is representative of Machine God so that God can interact with Humanity without issue and act to promote God's view and interest. In closest term Emperor is Jesus who is acting as medium to make interaction between God and Humanity possible. Can Emperor not use this narrative to define what are attributes of God? I mean he is the interpreter of Machine God who clarify nature of God and how we must approach him. Is it not enough to modify view towards Machine God and use his Link to the Template to define its Growth and protect it from Chaos? He is in its core an Anathema so binding his narrative will give it protection or imprint his Anathamaness into such spiritual entity? In its Core it is more less a Daemon Prince of Order similar like racial Gods of Eldar or Daemons God Emperor employ in radiant worlds like Imperious aka Light of Astromincron.
In Emps presence any and all low level daemons are instantly and permanently killed. If Emps walked into a Chaos God's realm they would find their daemons reduced to only the 10 or so most powerful and all the others reduced to golden ash as they tried to fight Emps. The issue is that Emps is but 1/100 of a Chaos God in terms of power at the moment, so if he did that he would die. This is how he works in this questAlso can sometell me how fabious bile can use his disbelief to hurt demons cause he like emps sees demons as parasites but his presence hurts them is the emps the same or is fabious just special
1) Aeldari have over 65 million years of information backlog and cultural practices, traditions and general knowledge that Emps lack. Asking why an Aeldari can do something with the warp that Emps can't do is a self answering question. In other words, Emps doesn't even have a flicker of the understanding that the Post Fall Aeldari have of god forging and the mysteries of the warp. Before the Fall it was even more lopsided.How Eldar able to forge a God with so much difficulties while Emperor not able to do so? I mean he invented Psi engine, talisman of seven hammers and Primarch, angel? But unable to cultivate a Interstellar template of God who is intimately connected due to its origin Mythos? There is even a prophecy of Messiah among admech who will come to Mars as Their God's representative and this prophecy is as old as admech itself. Can Emperor not use those to mold the Template sameway as Primarchs?