The spaceship invasion isn't due for like a year, it's not "imminent". Apophis won't have his drive upgrades yet.
Reaching for the Stars - A Stargate Quest
That depends on if the ships he brought can't glass the planet already. If it is a year out then sure we can get the addresses. Hopefully that's enough to excuse the losses and the refugees to the politicians.
- Location
- New England, State of Confusion
- Pronouns
- She/Her
I am genuinely baffled by people writing pur position off at this point. We have cards left to play, we have time to get the cartouch cause an army isn't going to just appear in two hours flat or the like. We are fighting an uphill battle yes, but hope is not yet lost at all.
- Location
- United States
We've got on the ground testimony for him sabotaging all raids against us and witnesses of him directly facing Apophis. That's enough to at least justify him being a guest under observation at the base as we gain as much intelligence as we can.
The QM told us in the update it was a partial victory. And it was. We lost a lot of good people but we succeeded in our primary objective, rescuing SG-1 and now have both combat expereance, more tech and a source of information and a hero unit in the form of Teal'c. There was a significant cost but with time we should come out ahead.
Also look at the consiquences for Apophis. Sure the grunt Jaffa are replaceable but the commanders less so. Plus losing like this will make him look weak to the other Goa'uld and should increase their infighting even more.
To be frank in the show SG-1 got frankly an absurd amount of luck, they should not have been as successful as they were. We should not expect to get that much luck as well just because it's "canon".
Finaly we do still have plenty of advantages. Earth is still secure with the Goa'uld currently not having a way to strike back. Plus they should still be infighting giving us time and opertunities to make use of. Finaly we still have plenty of potential Allies out there, the ashardians, the good Goa'uld, and I remember there being a few other independent planets that would likely be interested in working together or at least exchanging information.
This may not have been a perfect start but we still have options and cards to play. As an example spun correctly this battle and what we learn from Teal'c could be used to empisize the threat the US faces and the need for more funding to secure earth.
Also look at the consiquences for Apophis. Sure the grunt Jaffa are replaceable but the commanders less so. Plus losing like this will make him look weak to the other Goa'uld and should increase their infighting even more.
To be frank in the show SG-1 got frankly an absurd amount of luck, they should not have been as successful as they were. We should not expect to get that much luck as well just because it's "canon".
Finaly we do still have plenty of advantages. Earth is still secure with the Goa'uld currently not having a way to strike back. Plus they should still be infighting giving us time and opertunities to make use of. Finaly we still have plenty of potential Allies out there, the ashardians, the good Goa'uld, and I remember there being a few other independent planets that would likely be interested in working together or at least exchanging information.
This may not have been a perfect start but we still have options and cards to play. As an example spun correctly this battle and what we learn from Teal'c could be used to empisize the threat the US faces and the need for more funding to secure earth.
- Location
- an unseen void
- Pronouns
- Any
There's gonna be plenty of stuff that wasn't in canon in this quest, and they're not gimmes, they're part of this being a world we can explore rather than a story on rails. Inductive reasoning is just as useful as deductive reasoning here. Most of the squads should recover, and we recruited a new one on turn one anyway.
if only we had a program leader who specialized in solving difficult social problems!
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
- Location
- United States
As long as we get the gate addresses, we can recover, otherwise were fucked.
Teal'C fought against Apophis in canon and they still made the decision to lock him up. It wasn't until he stopped the possessed soldier did they let him help. They had him in a room about to be transferred until that happened.
Edit: I guess we have to Diplo like we never diplo'd before.
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- Location
- United States
True on both counts. This is where Connections in Washington and Son of a Political Dynasty will make us shine.
It will no doubt help that we as the thread are in charge of the commanding officer, here.
- Location
- New England, State of Confusion
- Pronouns
- She/Her
I think an important thing to keep in mind at this stage is that we are in a strong position to improve our ability to fight as well as increase our intelligence right now. We have multiple battles with them to draw lessons from, as well as leverage for greater support from Congress. We have Teal'C. I highly doubt we will lose access to the cartouch at this stage. We have taken sustainable losses.
We have the Iris which does that but there are counters and work arounds which turn this into a race against clock to recover from this disaster.
Yes which is even why I'm saying we have a chance at recovery. Without him? We would truly have been fucked. I'm really happy we managed to acquire Teal'c. He was absolutely a necessary step in going forward after we lost so many of our other sources of intel with this last update.
He said there was no Golden Path. A golden path is a series of correct steps to take to reach a good conclusion. Teal'c, the Abydos Cartouch, some other information source. We need that to have even a chance of going forward because we need gate addresses to even do our job. We know 3 addresses in total. Abydos, that one planet where the slaves where dropped after raids, and littlefields planet. Without an information source we can't dial out to other planets to acquire technology, resources, contacts, allies, etc.
I really have no idea how we are supposed to play a stargate quest when we only have those three addresses and 2 of them are being guarded by Jaffa. All the while we have a doom fleet incoming.
Because Goauld are petty and will absolutely send forces to scour Abydos to the bedrock to find our people. Which means they will have forces constantly on planet blocking us from sending a scientific expedition to find the cartouch. So for a few years that planet is burned.
Apophis fled from a central goauld planet until his forces came in and regained control. Which isn't relevant anyways. I don't know why your bringing that up. It is irrelevant?
The political blowback of losing soldiers is going to hurt but we took the political connection advantage so meh?
The doom is we don't have access to the abydos cartouch. Which has a ton of "lost" or "hidden" stargate addresses that Ra kept hidden from the other Goauld. We won't be able to access that now. Which means we won't be able to go out and do our job of exploration. Hard to do a stargate quest with a doom fleet incoming and now other planets to explore.
Okay? And?
Yes, doom clock.
Yes it will. That happens tons in stargate. Literal swarms of Jaffa is the how the Goauld operate. Concentration of forces is their prefered method of operation. So honestly I'm expecting that Apophis will actually send back an army within the hour. I'm being ultra conservative by making it a few hours rather then just 1 hour.
I agree it is an uphill battle. I just disagree with your assessment on just how uphill it is. Looking at the reality of the situation and not what I wish it to be has this be a horrible position to be in.
We actually got our people back. So yes. It is a partial victory. But that is it. That is all we get back. What tech are we getting again? Because I don't see what tech we are getting here that we don't already have?
Commanders are interchangeable. He will just have one slightly less seasoned. Jaffa are inherently replaceable. That is how they operate. So no. Word won't even get out about this embarrassment I expect.
That is not an advantage. That is a basic requirement to even continue to play this quest. If earth is not secure then the quest is over. Bad end.
We can't get to those allies because we don't have the addresses to get there. Which means we are locked into our little corner stuck with what we can acquire from tealc.
Like I said this was a horrible start since we are stuck with 3 addresses and unable to go to two of them while not even knowing about the 3rd.
If the GM is playing this straight we don't have the cartouch. It is just that simple. I've laid it out already several times. It is just too in character.
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Bets he might know where that cartouche is? '- ' Something that took a lot of time in canon could take a very short amount of time if one of the locals, who are still alive, tells us about it.
We might want to skip right to the spear because of how much harder it hits.
Also the army might be smug as hell they had already starting adopting viable any alien weapons without even knowing it.
Apophis just got his ass kicked and doesn't really know what's going on or who we are or what forces we have. He does know that this is the second defeat we've inflicted on him. The idea that he's going to mobilize a whole punitive expedition of hundreds of Jaffa within hours just... doesn't seem likely to me. More likely he'll lick his wounds, rant and rave about his treacherous First Prime, maybe hit up the sarcophagus to refill on Crazy Juice, then decide what to do next.
- Location
- Germany
The whole "Cartouche of Abydos" thing is pretty amusing to me since in canon, they got to Abydos, Daniel showed SG-1 the room, they got attacked, they left and Daniel had the Abydonians block their gate immediately. So, the SGC had no access to the room, except for whatever notes or maybe grainy camcorder footage SG-1 and Daniel brought back. It's my second favorite plot hole from the pilot.
As for Teal'c, you are actually in a better position to argue for his freedom than Hammond in canon. Canon Teal'c freed some prisoners and killed a few grunts in the process. One can reasonably argue that he might be a plant. Quest Teal'c was observed by a dozen people as he tried to chop Apophis head off with a sword and got nearly killed by him in return.
As for Teal'c, you are actually in a better position to argue for his freedom than Hammond in canon. Canon Teal'c freed some prisoners and killed a few grunts in the process. One can reasonably argue that he might be a plant. Quest Teal'c was observed by a dozen people as he tried to chop Apophis head off with a sword and got nearly killed by him in return.
I say we make his intel report code name Bayek because he came damn close to being a tyrant slayer in his opening move and because of course the space force is full of nerds.
Either way, we should immediately secure the Abydos Gate and dial Earth, and keep doing so after each time the gate closes. Another force can't gate in while the gate is in use so it should buy us some time if a counterattack *is* imminent.
Do we actually know that yet?
🤷. Don't know! But all it takes is for someone to think of it IC and say "it's worth a try."
Just thought of how we can sell the refugees to the oval office and joint cheifs: we didn't grab mere refugees, we grabbed experienced miners who spent their lives ripping the very mineral the enemy's empire on out of the ground. It's not perfect but it buys us some breathing room.
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