Quelana, Witch of Chaos (Dark Souls)

[Massgamer]

Because Priscilla is stupidly popular? Priscilla is the daughter of a dragon and has had a shit ton of time to think, who knows, she might know something we don't.

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She might have grown up a bit in Seaths archieves and may how a lot about the Soul Arts by reading there.

Hope we can return her doll since it must be very important to her.

That's something we haven't considered. The Four Kings have a piece of Gwyn's Lord Soul. How viable is taking it from them? Maybe we can recruit Ornstein to help.

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We would need to loot a grave guarded by a gaint wolf no one wants to kill since he is to awesome and tragic of a character.

Otherwise we wouldn't be able to survive the Dark.

 

[thag]

This all looks like metagaming and not things that Quelana would actually know. And she saw firsthand how "I can control it, I swear" ended up with her mother. Until we get more information in-character, I just can't see Quelana going anywhere near Priscilla's painting.

The Four Kings look like a better bet at this point, but we're going to need backup and planning for that, in addition to the obvious things like getting the Covenant of Artorias. They made Artorias run the fuck away, and he was almost certainly a good bit more powerful than Quelana.

 

[BlackHadou]

She might have grown up a bit in Seaths archieves and may how a lot about the soul Arts by reading there.

Hope we can return her doll since it must be very important to her.



We would need to loot a grave guarded by a gaint wolf no one wants to kill since he is to awesome and tragic of a character.

Otherwise we wouldn't be able to survive the Dark.

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I'm sure if we brought Ornstein along we might be able to reason with Sif. Quelana probably knew Artorias personally, too, and Sif no doubt should know her a little. So long as we make it clear we're only there for and intend to return the ring, he/she might let us do it.

It also saves Sif from death, too...

The Four Kings look like a better bet at this point, but we're going to need backup and planning for that, in addition to the obvious things like getting the Covenant of Artorias. They made Artorias run the fuck away, and he was almost certainly a good bit more powerful than Quelana.

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Given the ridiculousness of DLC Artorias, I question whether he ran away or if they got lucky his arm was horribly broken at some point... His sword did get corrupted in New Londo, so its possible he didn't possess the proper means to kill them and was forced to settle for sealing them...

I'm just throwing out guesses right now, given if Artorias had his shield in the DLC that fight would have sucked a whole lot more.

 

[Massgamer]

The main thing is all of our information is very outdated so we need to talk to people in order to find out what has happened.

I'm sure if we brought Ornstein along we might be able to reason with Sif. Quelana probably knew Artorias personally, too, and Sif no doubt should know her a little. So long as we make it clear we're only there for and intend to return the ring, he/she might let us do it.

It also saves Sif from death, too...

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I can get behide this. First we need a way to Anor Lando since that is the best place to get information in Quelanas' mind.

 

[BlackHadou]

The main thing is all of our information is very outdated so we need to talk to people in order to find out what has happened.



I can get behide this. First we need a way to Anor Lando since that is the best place to get information in Quelanas' mind.

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Indeed, my plan is more or less a get what's left of the gang back together montage and start putting the world right. Getting to Anor Londo really should be a priority...

I'm worried about the damage the Chosen Undead could do, admittedly. While we're in Anor Londo he/she could do a loooooot of damage without meaning to. I almost want to suggest taking him with us.

First things first. We need to get to Anor Londo. After that, I think Ornstein is our best bet. As a knight, he's honor bound to serve, after all, and he's probably the only reasonable person still flipping alive, unless someone wants to make bets on Havel, and I for one don't.

 

[Massgamer]

Indeed, my plan is more or less a get what's left of the gang back together montage and start putting the world right. Getting to Anor Londo really should be a priority...

I'm worried about the damage the Chosen Undead could do, admittedly. While we're in Anor Londo he/she could do a loooooot of damage without meaning to. I almost want to suggest taking him with us.

First things first. We need to get to Anor Londo. After that, I think Ornstein is our best bet. As a knight, he's honor bound to serve, after all, and he's probably the only reasonable person still flipping alive, unless someone wants to make bets on Havel, and I for one don't.

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We need to be careful of that fat jerk that is there though since he is naturally insane.

 

[BlackHadou]

We need to be careful of that fat jerk that is there though since he is naturally insane.

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Well, he is sealed in the bottom of the tower in Undead Parish/Garden Lake, so... we should be okay? I mean, I think he's hollow, anyway, but it pays to be cautious. He's actually someone I want to recommend offing if only to be safe.

Um... Firelink, priest whore and traitor bro, what do we want to do about them, if anything? Do we even want to interfere with that? Given Quelana's experience with Fire Sorcery, she could probably maintain a bonfire herself for the duration of her stay...

 

[Massgamer]

Well, he is sealed in the bottom of the tower in Undead Parish/Garden Lake, so... we should be okay? I mean, I think he's hollow, anyway, but it pays to be cautious. He's actually someone I want to recommend offing if only to be safe.

Um... Firelink, priest whore and traitor bro, what do we want to do about them, if anything? Do we even want to interfere with that? Given Quelana's experience with Fire Sorcery, she could probably maintain a bonfire herself for the duration of her stay...

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I was talking about Smough.

Guy kills with joy and is a cannibal.

 

[BlackHadou]

I was talking about Smough.

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... Smough is on the to kill list. This is not negotiable. I'm sure it won't take much to get Ornstein to join in...

 

[Massgamer]

... Smough is on the to kill list. This is not negotiable. I'm sure it won't take much to get Ornstein to join in...

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Except his honor. No matter how bad he is Smough is still an ally and he won't turn on him unless Smough strikes first.

Smough will only strike if Osrnstein is near death like he was in the game.

 

[BlackHadou]

Except his honor. No matter how bad he is Smough is still an ally and he won't turn on him unless Smough strikes first.

Smough will only strike if Osrnstein is near death like he was in the game.

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... Damn it... Hmm...

Well he is insane... he may attack Quelana on sight, which will be a affront to Ornstein's honor if his code is reasonable, given Quelana is essentially the princess of Izalith's ruins...

Sigh. Set the Chosen Undead on Smough and step in when he's about to kill Ornstein? I'm running low on ideas.

 

[Lucienz]

... Smough is on the to kill list. This is not negotiable. I'm sure it won't take much to get Ornstein to join in...

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I don't actually know about that. If Smough dies, you can see Ornstein respectfully puts his hand on Smough. At the very least Ornstein seems to have respected Smough's strength and the fact that he stayed around to protect Anor Londo. In contrast, Smough is probably loyal out of self-preservation since the moment Ornstein is on the ground, the hammer comes down and you see Ornstein still twitching...

Honestly, he's probably in a position where he can cause the least harm: Guarding a door. I'm actually interested to talk to Gwyndolin and find out what his plans are. He's loyal to his father but at the same time seems to be a pragmatist (creating an illusion of his sister, etc), if he actually thinks there's a way to create an eternal flame, he'll probably jump on it. As the last heir of his father, both Ornstein and Smough would probably obey his orders as well.

 

[Massgamer]

... Damn it... Hmm...

Well he is insane... he may attack Quelana on sight, which will be a affront to Ornstein's honor if his code is reasonable, given Quelana is essentially the princess of Izalith's ruins...

Sigh. Set the Chosen Undead on Smough and step in when he's about to kill Ornstein? I'm running low on ideas.

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Can't sick the Chosen Undead on him since Orntein would be honor bound to avenge him. Better to keep Smough in Anor Londo while Ornstein comes with us.

I don't actually know about that. If Smough dies, you can see Ornstein respectfully puts his hand on Smough. At the very least Ornstein seems to have respected Smough's strength and the fact that he stayed around to protect Anor Londo. In contrast, Smough is probably loyal out of self-preservation since the moment Ornstein is on the ground, the hammer comes down and you see Ornstein still twitching...

Honestly, he's probably in a position where he can cause the least harm: Guarding a door. I'm actually interested to talk to Gwyndolin and find out what his plans are. He's loyal to his father but at the same time seems to be a pragmatist (creating an illusion of his sister, etc), if he actually thinks there's a way to create an eternal flame, he'll probably jump on it. As the last heir of his father, both Ornstein and Smough would probably obey his orders as well.

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Since we are the daugther of a geat Lord like Gwydolin he should at least hear us out as equals so talking to him will be important.

That and he controls the remaining forces of Anor Londo that we could use on our side.

 

[ChiefTurtle117]

[X] Journey to the surface. You need time to think and it's been years since you've seen the sky.

 

[BlackHadou]

I don't actually know about that. If Smough dies, you can see Ornstein respectfully puts his hand on Smough. At the very least Ornstein seems to have respected Smough's strength and the fact that he stayed around to protect Anor Londo. In contrast, Smough is probably loyal out of self-preservation since the moment Ornstein is on the ground, the hammer comes down and you see Ornstein still twitching...

Honestly, he's probably in a position where he can cause the least harm: Guarding a door. I'm actually interested to talk to Gwyndolin and find out what his plans are. He's loyal to his father but at the same time seems to be a pragmatist (creating an illusion of his sister, etc), if he actually thinks there's a way to create an eternal flame, he'll probably jump on it. As the last heir of his father, both Ornstein and Smough would probably obey his orders as well.

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If leaving Ornstein alone was a safe option, I'd probably do so... but we have the slight issue of needing a way to get Sif to back down, and short of bringing a uncorrupted Artorias to the field with us, I'm low on ideas. Killing Sif is not acceptable to me so long as there's one option left on the table, and bringing a knight that Sif knows was Artorias's companion might convince him/her we're sincere in only borrowing the ring...

Gwyndolin is a unknown, and the other reason I want to go to Anor Londo. We need a word with him. Badly. He's the only major player left whose not irreparably insane in some way. If he finds a solution that doesn't involve the Chosen Undead, you better believe he'll jump on it.

I'm also trying to minimise the damage the Chosen Undead can cause on accident, admittedly, since we can't control him/her.

 

[Cornix Argentus]

Thing is, I don't really think Smough is insane. A murderous cannibal, yes, but not insane. If he attacks Quelana on sight, he'd probably have some reason for it. Like the daughters of chaos not being welcome in Anor Londo after the whole Bed of Chaos thing or something. Not just "Something's alive? Not for long!". Pretty sure he'd have gotten the axe long ago for that kind of thing. Can't trust an uncontrollably crazy person with the queen's safety, after all.

Basically as far as dealing with him, we'd just need to keep him on guard duty while Ornstein's doing something that requires his presence. I can't see him being able to do much damage considering the queen's an illusion and the guy making the actual decisions is in a tomb on the other side of the castle. If something does change while Ornstein's out, I'd put it on being action on Gwyndolin's part.

 

[BlackHadou]

Thing is, I don't really think Smough is insane. A murderous cannibal, yes, but not insane. If he attacks Quelana on sight, he'd probably have some reason for it. Like the daughters of chaos not being welcome in Anor Londo after the whole Bed of Chaos thing or something. Not just "Something's alive? Not for long!". Pretty sure he'd have gotten the axe long ago for that kind of thing. Can't trust an uncontrollably crazy person with the queen's safety, after all.

Basically as far as dealing with him, we'd just need to keep him on guard duty while Ornstein's doing something that requires his presence. I can't see him being able to do much damage considering the queen's an illusion and the guy making the actual decisions is in a tomb on the other side of the castle. If something does change while Ornstein's out, I'd put it on being action on Gwyndolin's part.

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Point taken. On the other hand, I trust Smough less then I can throw him.

Let's be cautious there if nothing else...

 

[Cornix Argentus]

Definitely be careful with him, but he has managed to keep his job despite being known to eat the people he executes and being refused a prestigious position on the word of the guy he works with/for. He's probably not as dumb as some people have been assuming is all I'm saying.

 

[BlackHadou]

Definitely be careful with him, but he has managed to keep his job despite being known to eat the people he executes and being refused a prestigious position on the word of the guy he works with/for. He's probably not as dumb as some people have been assuming is all I'm saying.

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I don't assume him stupid. I assume him to be working with alien morals not compatible with everyone elses, and thus his actions are going to be completely out of left field.

Keep in mind, Smough is one of the last remnants of the old days. He may well have been appointed on the basis of the Queen's Blade not being available for whatever reason. Gough is out for obvious reasons, too. He could even be a political appointment from long ago, we just don't know.

Damn it, information is vital. Too vital. We need to get out of Blighttown urgently.

 

[reborn214]

By the way, do you guys think quelana would know about pinwheel existance?

I mean pinwheel stole power from Nito and that seems like something we would need. If we could siphon the power of chaos and destroy it, saving our sister may be possible.

On the other hand, do you guys think pinwheel is sane?

 

[BlackHadou]

By the way, do you guys think quelana would know about pinwheel existance?

I mean pinwheel stole power from Nito and that seems like something we would need. If we could siphon the power of chaos and destroy it, saving our sister may be possible.

On the other hand, do you guys think pinwheel is sane?

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Pinwheel is most certainly sane... Maybe orange and blue morality, but he's sane, since he's siphoning Nito's power on purpose. That requires conscious thought at least.

Um... Quelana might know of the idea behind Pinwheel, but I doubt she knows them personally.

 

[Massgamer]

By the way, do you guys think quelana would know about pinwheel existance?

I mean pinwheel stole power from Nito and that seems like something we would need. If we could siphon the power of chaos and destroy it, saving our sister may be possible.

On the other hand, do you guys think pinwheel is sane?

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He is sane he just attacked the chosen undead becuase he was afraid he/she was going to stop him from restoring his family.

You see him doing research in his lair so he is working his butt off.

Maybe we can convince him for his help using Nito's power in exchange for restoring his family with the Soul of Life once we get it back.

 

[BlackHadou]

He is sane he just attacked the chosen undead becuase he was afraid he/she was going to stop him from restoring his family.

You see him doing research in his lair so he is working his butt off.

Maybe we can convince him for his help using Nito's power in exchange for restoring his family with the Soul of Life once we get it back.

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We need to get to him first then. The Catacombs are only safe from the Chosen Undead until he has access to Divine weapons at the latest. We may well be too late already.

 

[Massgamer]

We need to get to him first then. The Catacombs are only safe from the Chosen Undead until he has access to Divine weapons at the latest. We may well be too late already.

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It might be worth it to get to Firelink Shrine first then to meet up with him/her since that location acts as the Chosen Undeads' base camp before they travel to Anor Londo.

 

[BlackHadou]

It might be worth it to get to Firelink Shrine first then to meet up with him/her since that location acts as the Chosen Undeads' base camp before they travel to Anor Londo.

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On the plus side, we know a few things. The furthest the Chosen Undead can be is at the beginning of Blighttown, which is unlikely. More likely is that he's still doing the first bell. The Catacombs are nigh impenetrable at the beginning of the game unless you know what your doing.

If he's a Thief, we're in trouble, since he can use the Blighttown bypass, but I don't think that's a issue, since it'd be a fairly cruel move from the GM.

So, we can reasonably guess where he is. If he's not in Firelink, then we should make our way to the first Bell and try to intercept him. Worst comes to worst, we'll meet Solaire if nothing else, and Solaire... depending on what theory you follow, may be someone we know.