Vote tally - Puella Magi Adfligo Systema

Adhoc vote count started by BlueTwinkleToes on Aug 3, 2019 at 1:25 AM, finished with 108 posts and 18 votes.

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  • [X] Preface:
    -[X] You became a magical girl to help other magical girls. Your first priority in that is, and must be, keeping people alive, healthy, and happy but if you can, you also intend to work on helping witches become people again. Clear seeds, you hope, may provide a path to that.
    [X] Core points:
    -[X] You intend to be as sane, safe, and ethical as possible about this. You're not desperate or in a hurry and your power means you shouldn't have to be.
    -[X] Demonstrate in fullness to Yuki that you are considering why dewitching and badness go together so frequently and how to avoid it.
    -[X] This is something she has a right to know both as your ally, and as Anri's guard.
    -[X] Explain why you think you have a chance, in as much detail as she desires.
    -[X] Address her comments and concerns. Offer to make her as involved in discussions and with Anri as she wishes to be.
    [X]Potential specifics:
    -[X] Briefly summarize your experiments. Use the same explanation of your efforts you gave Nadia. Include the inner activity of grief seeds, how it changes when cleared, and the effects you've seen from filling them with magic.
    -[X] Even if it doesn't work out for actually restoring them, you believe that clear seeds at least aren't suffering anymore, and you intend to carry that standard of ethics towards any attempts you make.
    -[X] You've spoken to Nadia, and you're heard some of the horror stories and why dewitching has a bad reputation. It's part of why you intend to be cautious and to listen to any advice others have in doing so.
    -[X] One of the things you told Anri to get her to surrender was that you would work on finding a way to dewitch her friend.
    -[X] No, you will not suddenly recall her clear seed because you succeeded. The only reasons you'll ask are if you've found a major problem with them or if you believe you have a grief seed substitute that can replace them entirely, and even then that would be her choice.
    -[X] Pull from Vote In Abeyance as appropriate.
    [X] Continue to Vote In Abeyance
    [X] Upon arriving:
    -[X] Thank Fukushima again for their assistance.
    -[X] Ask how secure Yuki can make her territory from QB's eavesdropping.
    -[X] Hand over Rionna, "offscreen".
    -[X] Ask if they have information about:
    --[X] The Soujus.
    --[X] The Murasaki Shrine Maidens.
    --[X] Trustworthy magical girls with empathy/therapy powers.
    [X] With Yuki, privately:
    -[X] Discuss your dewitching plans, in the context of Airi's mental state.
    --[X] Keep in mind Nadia's reaction, and reassure Yuki that you're being cautious, ethical, and methodical.
    -[X] Request letting Airi channel her emotions into Yuuri's grief seed - this will require temporarily removing the anti-magic manacle.
    -[X] Ask for a more detailed overview of Airi's mental state, to inform your approach to her.
    [X] Open by establishing that you have all kinds of priorities, that dewitching is one of them, and that it comes well after generally being a good person.
    [X] Explain that it came to your attention that dewitching research generally goes together with being evil and crazy.
    -[X] You think you've got a good idea about why that is -- to do anything with a grief seed, you'd have to get out all the grief, even if only so that the soul wouldn't re-witch. But if you can only move grief between containers, you'd need the capacity of an entire clear seed to do that. Mix in a healthy dose of obsession and/or desperation, and...
    [X] In whatever order makes sense, while listening to + addressing any concerns etc:
    -[X] You're telling her all of this because she deserves to know about it. If you get anywhere with making a non-soul substitute for a clear seed, you might ask for a capacity-equivalent exchange after proper testing, but you were fully aware of the ethics involved when you gave it to her. It's theirs.
    -[X] Stress (more) that safety comes before all of this. You can afford to take things slowly. You can't afford to fuck everything up.
    -[X] Detail your experiments with clear seeds, as with Nadia. Include the recent experience with applying emotion-charged magic -- that result alone thoroughly legitimizes your experiments.
    -[X] You're somewhat hopeful you can get Anri to contribute to this -- she's obsessed with dewitching her friend, and if you could get her to do work for you instead of against you...
    [x] How much do you know about the origin of witches?
    -[X] We became a magical girl to help other magical girls. Our first priorities are our friends and keeping as many people as possible alive, healthy, and happy. Turning Witches back into people is the continuation of that, but being a generally good person is most significant.
    [X] Core points:
    -[X] You intend to be as sane, safe, and ethical as possible about this. You're not desperate or in a hurry and your power means you shouldn't have to be.
    -[X] This is something she has a right to know both as your ally, and as Anri's guard.
    -[X] Explain why you think you have a chance, in as much detail as she desires.
    -[X] Address her comments and concerns. Offer to make her as involved in discussions and with Anri as she wishes to be.
    [X]Potential specifics:
    -[X] Briefly summarize your experiments. Use the same explanation of your efforts you gave Nadia.
    --[X] Clear Seeds
    ---[X] We understand the difficulty of skirting natural Law, we just aren't sure which parts are Law yet.
    ---[X] Note the similarity between how Clear Seeds and Soul Gems interact with "normal" Grief Seeds.
    ---[X] Explain how seeds "go to sleep" when you cleanse them.
    ---[X] Even if it doesn't actually restore them, you believe that clear seeds at least aren't suffering anymore, and we intend to continue that standard of ethics.
    ---[X] We've been channeling positive emotions and magic into a Clear Seed in the hope of eventually getting it the rest of the way. Small visible changes.
    -[X] No, we will not suddenly recall her clear seed because we succeeded. Only if we've found a major problem with them or if we believe a grief seed substitute can replace them entirely, and even then that would be her choice.
    --[X] We were fully aware of the ethics involved when we gave it to her. It's theirs.
    -[X] Dewitching has a bad reputation. It's part of why you intend to be cautious and to listen to any advice others have in doing so.
    --[X] You think you've got a good idea about why that is. To do anything with a grief seed, you'd have to get out all the grief, even if only so that the soul wouldn't re-witch. But if you can only move grief between containers, you'd need the capacity of an entire clear seed to do that. Mix in a healthy dose of obsession and/or desperation, and...
    --[X] There are failure modes - not creating a Soul Gem, making a Witch with copies of our powers, total amnesia if the soul comes back, salvaging a Soul Gem that is effectively a different person, etc.
    --[X] Stress (more) that safety comes before all of this. You can afford to take things slowly. You can't afford to fuck everything up.
    -[X] Soujo-tachi are coming. Advise us on them, or their type. We want to control the fight, even if they want collateral damage.
    --[X] We see a possibility to save victims of Soujo and Soujo, that would require a scaled up effort. Ask her advice on building a workshop / hospital. Additional cooperating people have to be accommodated.
    -[X] One of the things you told Anri to get her to surrender was that you would work on finding a way to dewitch her friend.
    --[X] You're somewhat hopeful you can get Anri to contribute to this. She's obsessed with dewitching her friend, and if you could get her to do work for you instead of against you...
    [X] Pull from Vote In Abeyance as appropriate.
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