Vote tally - Puella Magi Adfligo Systema

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  • [X] Explain Sayaka to Homura, using this post as a knowledge base.
    -[X] Her personal character: who she is, what her central characteristics are, etc.
    -[X] Her actions: why she has done what she has done in the past.
    -[X] Her present actions: why she's doing what she is doing now.
    -[X] Answer, as possible, any questions Homura may have, as they develop -- this is a talk, not a speech. If there's something the knowledge base isn't equipped for, break.
    -[X] Slip in compliments towards Sayaka wherever possible. These topics are going to be pretty negative, but... Sayaka's a good person and friend, who would absolutely have jumped at the chance to help Homura if she'd only ever really known the way you do.
    -[X] Explain that this is why you're so positive about telling Sayaka about the loops, but reiterate that you're never going to press Homura over it.
    [X] Brinapilot the details. Explain:
    -[X] Sayaka is normal. Normal teenagers:
    --[X] Have problems.
    --[X] Make mistakes.
    --[X] Are sheltered from the consequences of their actions.
    -[X] Go over the facets of Sayaka's character that cause Homura so much trouble:
    --[X] *Low self-esteem; self-sacrifice; first impressions; shaky, rigid moral worldview; etc...
    --[X] How normal they are, small and inconsequential if Sayaka was allowed a normal life.
    -[X] Kyuubey:
    --[X] Cuts Magical Girls off their support network.
    --[X] Forces them into situations made to break them.
    --[X] Turns common teen problems into fatal flaws.
    -[X] We're creating a support network for everybody.
    --[X] We've given Sayaka back the support she, everyone, deserves, and helped her overcome her biases. Everything else is just Sayaka being Sayaka.
    [X] Thank Homura for the effort.
    [X] Raid:
    -[X] Ask to vent a bit. You trust Homu to hear you out.
    --[X] Talk about your frustrations, recurring problems and fears about helping magical girls, and dealing with secrets.
    --[X] Don't overwhelm her.
    -[X] Lighten up. Geek out about whichever weapons you find.
    [X] After the raid...
    -[X] Hug Mami and see the others off to school.
    -[X] Meet with Oriko.
    --[X] Privacy Device.
    --[X] Tell O&K they're your friends.
    --[X] Discuss the potentialbomb and Homura's reaction.
    -[X] Use griefhax to examine the feather.
    [x] Answer Homura's implicit request: Do your best to help her understand Miki Sayaka.
    -[x] Provide some basic background on how people work. They are complicated. This will be less of a hard explanation and more of your guesses and impressions.
    -[x] Key points of the blueberry's character: Self-esteem problems, strong moral views, stubborn, makes snap judgements, young.
    -[x] Explain particular behaviors in terms of these keys points. Support with examples when appropriate.
    --[x] Unshakable loyalty: Decides that you look friendly therefore you are a friend and will always be a friend. Misbehavior is justified or ignored.
    --[x] Judgemental: Decides that you look like you're doing something bad so you're bad and you'll always be bad. Good behavior is dismissed as temporary or circumstantial.
    --[x] Low survival rate: Low self-worth fails to oppose strong moral view and stubbornness so she follows through on radical moral decisions stemming from an image of Magical Girls as Doing Good.
    --[x] Her first impressions inform the majority of her opinion of a person and her first impressions aren't very deep or complex.
    --[x] Hero of Justice: Low self-esteem makes her apply her stubbornness and moral compass to the task of being more like Mami and Madoka.
    -[x] Explain Sayaka's relationships with other people.
    --[x] Madoka: BFF. Sayaka treasures Madoka and holds her opinion in high regard.
    --[x] Mami: Greatly Respected Hero of Justice. Usually forms Sayaka's image of magical girls as being heroes of justice; feeds her self-worth issues by being so much better at everything.
    --[x] Kyubey: Makes a good first impression by pandering to magical girl anime memes then mooches off Mami's hero of justice image.
    -[x] Note specific things that helped this time around, framing them in the context of the model you presented above.
    --[x] MAJOR POINT: Kyubey very visibly and definitely hurt Mami. This, along with the lichbomb, was enough to break Sayaka's original judgement of him as "Mami's Best Friend and Magical Girl Mascot".
    --[x] You presented an image that caused her to Judge you as Good. Once she does that it is very hard to change her mind. She does not have complex views:
    --[x] You engage with her using strong moral arguments. Leaving Oriko and Kirika alive, for example, was because you do not kill people. Sayaka respects these kinds of Hero of Justice arguments.
    --[x] You attempted to specifically help her with her self-esteem issues. You botched it, obviously, but not as badly as you could have.
    [X] Homura:
    -[X] Playfully chide her for treating Sayaka like a tool.
    -[X] Explain that Sayaka is a mostly ordinary teenage girl, with mostly ordinary teenage reactions - exactly the sort of thing that QB preys on.
    -[X] We just put Sayaka in a fairer situation, and pushed her to overcome her initial biases. The rest was always just Sayaka being Sayaka.
    [X] During the raid.
    -[X] Ask to vent a bit. You trust Homura to hear you out.
    --[X] Talk about your frustrations, recurring problems and fears about helping magical girls, and dealing with secrets.
    --[X] Don't overwhelm her.
    -[X] Lighten up. Geek out about whichever weapons you find.
    [X] After the raid...
    -[X] Hug Mami and see the others off to school.
    -[X] Meet with Oriko.
    --[X] Privacy Device.
    --[X] Tell O&K they're your friends.
    --[X] Discuss the potentialbomb and Homura's reaction.
    -[X] Use griefhax to examine the feather.
    [X] Respond to Homura:
    -[X] Kaizuki's giant thing :V :V :V
    [X] During the raid.
    -[X] Ask to vent a bit. You trust Homura to hear you out.
    --[X] Talk about your frustrations, recurring problems and fears about helping magical girls, and dealing with secrets.
    --[X] Don't overwhelm her.
    -[X] Lighten up. Geek out about whichever weapons you find.
    [X] After the raid...
    -[X] Hug Mami and see the others off to school.
    -[X] Meet with Oriko.
    --[X] Privacy Device.
    --[X] Tell O&K they're your friends.
    --[X] Discuss the potentialbomb and Homura's reaction.
    -[X] Make an Enchanted-Griefhax psychometer to figure out where and who the Feather came from.
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