Vote tally - Puella Magi Adfligo Systema

Adhoc vote count started by Madou Sutegobana on Aug 5, 2018 at 1:48 PM, finished with 142997 posts and 43 votes.

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  • [X] Find her core goals.
    -[X] Ask bluntly.
    --[X] Everyone has something that drives them. Yours is breaking the magical girl system. Some people just refuse to die. But what's hers?
    -[X] She obviously isn't flying around ganking grief controllers out of the goodness of her heart. And it sounds like she can't relocate to work with you.
    [X] You need to know what she wants because you want to propose a trade, because that might help you work together even if you don't trust each other.
    -[X] Rionna helps with Dewitching research and making the world a better place.
    --[X] You can promise that it is exactly what it sounds like, that you intend to do good, and that you have enough power to cut through "hard decisions".
    -[X] You'll help Riona achieve her goals, just like you want for every magical girl.
    --[X] Does her goal makes the world a better place? Even if it's just something that doesn't hurt others, but makes her happier. If it is, then you have enough power to offer her means to her ends that won't be nearly as harsh.
    ---[X] What could we offer, that would be worth her refraining from creating any more wraiths while we cooperate?
    [X] Reaction: Disappointment. Tone: Very serious.
    -[X] Calm down.
    -[X] Offer cleansing and cleanse yourself.
    [X] Look Riona in the eyes. Override interruptions.
    -[X] Show her Aurora.
    --[X] Ask if she sees anything unusual in the Seed.
    --[X] Briefly explain your dewitchification experiments.
    -[X] When you heard about her from Nadia, you were really happy, because an expert on souls could make a huge difference in making this dream a reality.
    -[X] ...but you can't work with her. Not while she continues to enslave souls. You'll try not to judge, but you're not going to condone it.
    [X] She came here with the intent of killing another false Grief controller. What does she intend to do now?
    -[X] She went out of her way to present herself as a villain who enjoys enslaving others. You don't intend to buy into that provocation, if that's what she was hoping for.
    -[X] She is free to stay in Mitakihara as long as she doesn't cause any trouble.
    -[X] Your offer remains open, if she changes her mind.
    [X] Be on guard for any aggressive moves, and be ready to signal Mami and Homura if it looks like Rionna is going to attack.
    [x] Keep Rionna talking.
    -[x] Flat out tell her that you want her help with dewitching, and that you're offering her the cleansing she wants. Why is she so willing to leave?
    [x] ABSOLUTELY DO NOT LET RIONNA NOTICE THIS, KEEP YOUR EMOTIONAL REACTION TO THIS MUTED:
    -[x] Calmly message Mami with grief, requesting that she not react and contact Homura for timestop, please.
    --[x] You need to discuss what Rionna has said with Mami, Homura, and Sayaka to decide what to do. You won't commit to any action without that discussion first.
    ---[x] Keep calm, do not commit to hostile action against Rionna in your mind.
    [X] Sigh, relax your visible tension, maybe slump a little bit.
    -[X] "You're not very easy to work with."
    [X] Explain and demonstrate your power
    -[X] Pull grief from your soul gem, float it around, make a few shapes. Perhaps a flute that starts softly playing music?
    -[X] Pull a little bit of grief from a grief seed, just to prove its possible
    --[X] Explain that floating grief is easy to manage, especially given use of a 4th dimension of space. If the cloud ever gets to be a bit too much you can just shove it down Kyubey's backhole. We can demonstrate this afterwards if she'd like.
    [X] After power explanation, move on to explaining your goals.
    -[X] Emphasize your desire for magical girls around the world to be able to live normal lives
    --[X] Ultimately, you want to break Kyubey's wretched system of grief and suffering, and replace it with something better
    ---[X] Some enchanted artefact that can absorb grief, or the proliferation of clear seeds or something that'll ensure magical girls can live long and peaceful lives, witches can be slowly but surely removed as a threat, and maybe Kyubey can even still accumulate grief for his anti-entropy efforts.
    [X] Now Riona knows what you can do and what your goals are. What's her place going to be in things?
    -[X] She can choose to help Sabrina with her powers, with her experience and very different perspective
    -[X] She can choose to go home in peace and deal with her own shit for however long it takes for Sabrina to fix things and bring infinite cleansings all the way to Ireland
    -[X] She can, for whatever reason, oppose this. Preferably with logical argument rather than sudden hostilities. Maaaybe don't mention this? Let it go unsaid unless she comments.
    --[X] Whatever her immediate choices, know that enslaved and possibly suffering shades of the dead won't be tolerated forever. That kind of shit belongs in Kyubey's system, not ours.
    [x] You flew half way around the world to find a real Grief cleanser, and you're just going to leave? No. You came here looking for something. Well, so am I. Let's deal.
    [x] I'm trying to figure out how to turn a witch back into a person. The Clear Seed is the first step. They have thousands of times the capacity of regular Grief Seeds. One of these can keep a magical girl clean for centuries. And eventually we hope to enchant something that will do the job without needing souls at all. No more witchouts. No more used Seeds going into Kyubey's back for him to do god-knows-what to. No more need for girls to put themselves through this hell of hunting and fighting to survive. We can all just live like real people.
    [x] When we no longer need Seeds to survive, we can start helping them, too. We've already gotten some small results from injecting positive emotions into the Clear Seed. Your soul powers might be the key to making this back into a Soul Gem.
    [x] You came here looking for a charlatan, a dragon to slay, but I'm not your enemy. I want to help people. Ask Nadia Bennouna, she'll confirm that I'm for real.
    [x] You fought the false Grief Cleansers because they were witching girls out. We don't want anyone to witchout either. We can make a world where no one does, ever again.
    [x] Please. Help us.
    [X] Be as direct as possible.
    -[X] Begin by countering her earlier assertion that we "can't help her at all." We can help her: we are capable of much beyond moving grief around, and most of what we aren't capable of we have people for, or we expect to become capable of in the near-to-mid term.
    --[X] Given what she's told us, and given her presence here, it's pretty clear that there is a problem involving something she values above most else back home.
    [X] Cut to voting fairly quickly.
    [X] Be as direct as possible.
    -[X] Begin by countering her earlier assertion that we "can't help her at all." True Grief Manipulation is extremely flexible, and most of what we aren't capable of we have people for, or we expect to become capable of in the near-to-mid term.
    --[X] Given what she's told us, and given her presence here, it's pretty clear that there is a problem involving something she values above most else back home.
    --[X] If it takes a trip by hypersonic grief aircraft with timestop to fulfill your end of a bargain, so be it.
    [X] Cut to voting fairly quickly.
    [x] Why?
    [X] Gemsplode her.
    [X] If at any point she displays surprise, cut to voting. If she tries to leave, cut to voting.
    [X] Be pensive. Body language should be asking a capital-Q Question.
    [X] What does she live for?
    -[X] It would be easy to make her out as the classic utterly powerful, knowledgeable, and selfish magical girl.
    -[X] Except that that requires she have something to be selfish about.
    -[X] And whatever that is, it's pretty clearly back home, with the majority of her shades guarding it. Not her city.
    [x] Everyone has a goal of some kind, something that keeps them going.
    -[x] You already know mine. Yours though I'm not so sure on. I think there's something specific you want to do with my power. Something beyond survival.
    -[x] We both want what the other one of us can provide. We don't trust each other enough to cooperate... *yet*. So we'll trade. You help me find out what happens with Dewitching research, and whatever your goal is... so long as it isn't super-villainy, I'll help you with it, and I'll prove to you with actions, not words, that you don't need to rely on those shades forever to accomplish it. You want my power that badly, I'll designate you my insurance policy if you release a few right now. If the research kills me, and you can claim my soul, it's yours.
    [X] Find her core goals.
    -[X] Ask bluntly.
    --[X] Everyone has something that drives them. We exist to break the magical girl system. Some people only cling to life by reflex.
    --[X] Why does she choose to live? (Phrasing, very specifically: not "why is she alive". The meaning must clearly refer to what she lives for, and not lean towards implying that we are asking why we shouldn't kill her.)
    -[X] She has a motive in targeting Grief movers. And it sounds like she can't relocate to work with you.
    -[X] is her drink enchanted with Memories?
    [x] You came here looking for a charlatan, a dragon to slay, but we're not your enemy. We help people. Ask Nadia Bennouna, she'll confirm.
    -[X] We don't want anyone to witchout either. We can make a world where no one does, ever again.
    [X] Her interests are relevant to us because we want to propose a trade. We might work together even if we don't trust each other.
    -[X] Rionna helps with Dewitching research and making the world a better place.
    --[X] You can promise that it is exactly what it sounds like
    [X] You'll help Riona achieve her goals, just like you want for every magical girl. We have reach and power
    -[X] First, we want to apprentice on her enforcement tasks. We will show her our morality as action. She can overwatch.
    -[X] Help grant her heart's desire? Even if it's just something that doesn't help others, but makes her happier.
    ---[X] What could we offer, in exchange for no further soul taking while we cooperate?
    [x] Please. Help us.
    [X] Be as direct as possible.
    -[X] Begin by countering her earlier assertion that we "can't help her at all." True Grief Manipulation is extremely flexible, and most of what we aren't capable of we have people for, or we expect to become capable of in the near-to-mid term.
    --[X] Given what she's told us, and given her presence here, it's pretty clear that there is a problem involving something she values above most else back home.
    --[X] If it takes a trip by hypersonic grief spacecraft to fulfill your end of a bargain, so be it.
    [X] Cut to voting fairly quickly.
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