Vote tally - Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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[X] Permanent: Break to voting whenever Sabrina detects a change in course of action might be merited.
[X] Ask for temporary full hugging privileges.
-[X] And to sit down.
-[X] And to cleanse.
[X] You're going to do your level best to answer anything she wants to know to the best of your ability. She needs that. If she doesn't want to say anything right now you'll start with your thoughts on why this is working, because that was the most likely thing you made out, but if she wants you to start anywhere else or, or anything...
-[X] Tone and subtext: push her to engage in this in some manner. It's not really good if she just bottles it back up, this conversation seems like it needs to happen.
-[X] Absent reason otherwise as pursuant to the previous two lines, subsequently:
--[X] Lead in with Asunaro being too blatantly better to be a convenient butterfly.
---[X] Lay out all your evidence. Kirika's antimagic for Oriko, Nagisa, Anri, timings, Sayaka's behavior.
----[X] Madoka's Wish is still helping.
--[X] Convince Homura that Madoka's Wish guarantees she can find a Good End that satisfies both her and Madoka.
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[x] Godwinson
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[X] Permanent: Break to voting whenever Sabrina detects a change in course of action might be merited.
[x] Conversation goal: Attempt to help Homura believe in herself, and a good future. Prevent her from feeling that her wish isn't being fulfilled because she isn't the one saving Madoka. Also deal with:
-[x] Homura not liking herself, feeling that she specifically is why the loops have failed before.
-[x] The conflict between her promise to Madoka, and the fact that things are going well because of Madoka's Wish.
[x] Overall tone and subtext: Be comforting and encouraging. Don't make Homura feel like a sidekick. Make her feel like The Hero in a Five Man Band.
-[x] Encourage her to communicate what she's feeling, rather than use having to guess. Try to get her to engage and respond.
[x] It wasn't just me, though. It's never been just me. I've been handed so much. Everything we've done- it's been all of us.
[X] Ask:
-[x] For temporary full hugging privileges. If given, hug as necessary.
-[X] To sit down.
-[X] To cleanse.
[x] Remind Homura: her contributions let us get this far.
-[x] She's been the one keeping Madoka safe this whole time.
-[x] Holding down the fort while we rush off to deal with out-of-town crises
-[x] All the times timestop was an epic force multiplier or let us get there in the nick of time.
--[x] Tracking down Oriko
--[x] Saving Sayaka from the witch.
--[x] Watching over Sayaka when she stormed off and ran straight into Kyouko.
---[x] Giving us the knowledge needed to make the right choices, both from metaknowledge and just her advice.
--[x] Even just giving us this safe space to talk without Kyubey listening.
-[x] The only reason any of this is possible is because of Homura's strength, because Homura fought and persevered all alone for years to carve out a chance at victory.
[x] If there's an indication that Homura's issue isn't her wish but just a general feeling of inadequacy, or that she is regarding the above as platitudes remind her that Sabrina is cheating:
[x] Tone: Quiet, gentle, explaining, reflecting, not lecturing.
[x] I've been given so much.
-[x] Knowledge
--[x] Literally a guidebook.
---[x] Not just what people could do, who they could be, events, information. You've got that.
---[x] I was given narrative framing; the exact information that could change things; the certainty that it's the information that matters. And a decent suggestion on where to apply it. That's something you've had to figure out on your own, yeah?
-[x] Power that specifically derails resource issues
--[x] The single greatest tool that Homura hadn't been able to leverage before.
-[x] Tone: Gentle levity, sincerity: And I have you. I get to start with all this information, plus an Akemi Homura.
--[x] Tone: More serious: Don't sell yourself short. I've said it before, but I stand on the shoulders of giants.
[x] IF, AND ONLY IF, it seems Homura is considering how Madoka's wish has played into all this, and thus we need to address the issue, AND Wish Rejection is a non-issue, broach the topic of Madoka's Wish:
-[x] But there's more than just good luck and good folks, we both suspect, huh?
-[x] I'm just going to say it- we've both got a pretty good idea where I come from. Why I'm here.
--[x] Tone: Gently: It's pretty likely I'm a result of Madoka's wish last loop. Specially equipped to work on the fixing of everything.
--[x] But... I don't think it's just me. And I have some thoughts about that, if you want me to try and explain them.
[x] If we're given no reason to avoid this line of conversation:
-[x] If you doesn't want to say anything, that's fine. But please- if you want me to start somewhere else, elaborate, go back to a point- anything...
-[X] Do our best to answer anything she wants to know, explain everything, to the best of our ability. She needs that.
--[X] Discuss some of the timeline changes that seem to have made it possible for things to be fixed when they otherwise couldn't; too blatant to be coincidence.
---[x] E.g. Asunaro being too blatantly better to be a convenient butterfly. The timings of events; Nagisa. Echoes of could-have-been-timelines; Sayaka's behaviour. Etc.
--[X] Madoka's Wish is helping by more than just adding Sabrina
---[x] You know how much that must hurt Homura. But that's not the end of the story, because Madoka wished that everything could be fixed. And that includes Homura's story.
----[x] You know that Homura can only be happy if Madoka is safe and Homura is the one protecting her, and you know that Madoka can only be happy if Homura is happy.
---[x] You do mean that you know. Your metaknowledge focuses on some people. The two people it focuses on the most are Madoka and Homura. Madoka cares about Homura, and you're almost certain she Wished thinking of Homura.
---[x] Madoka wished that everything could be fixed. And that means Homura can be saved.
---[x] Silently pray to Madokami. She Wished to save Homura, but there's no way unless Homura can accept Her help, so there has to be something like this. Please let this work.
---[x] You don't believe that Madoka was tricked into that Wish. You think that she knew enough about Homura to know what she was doing.
----[x] Homura's last loop diverges from your metaknowledge, but you know what kinds of Wishes Madoka makes, and she wouldn't have made that one without a good reason.
----[x] And she decided to Wish that Homura could protect her and find happiness, among other things, and entrusted you and Homura with the future. You will see her will done.
[x] If there's an indication none of the above are actually answering Homura's unspoken question:
-[x] Ask Homura to talk to us. Ask her to tell us what we're not getting. There is nothing she could possibly say right now to alienate us. Not when she needs a friend.
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[X] Well, to be fair, I have a huge bargaining chip that you never had: free, unlimited cleansing, as well as a massively powerful ally. That sways people, and convinces them that you're worth fighting for in a way that no amount of Grief Seeds ever would.
[X] "You never really had an opportunity to learn charisma and persuasion skills. And while you've had a lot of time to learn since your Wish, you've also been constantly subjected to immense emotional trauma, with no one who could help you deal with it. That makes charisma and persuasion far more difficult. You've been fighting against a massive handicap all along, with no one to help you and no way to figure out what to do about it. I'd say you've done remarkably well, under the circumstances."
[X] "Do you have any idea how hard it is to start all over and try again, after losing everything? Most people struggle to do that kind of thing once. You've done it dozens of times, without anyone to even talk to, ever since you were--what? 13? The fact that you haven't given up is, by itself, utterly remarkable. Don't sell yourself short. Everyone needs a helping hand, myself included. I'd never have gotten this far without you, for instance. Sayaka would be dead. Oriko would be at large. Kyubey would probably know everything. And more."
[X] "You're fucking amazing, Homura, and we've only gotten this far because we've done it together. Also, remember how I came about because of Madoka's Wish? Well, the only reason she ever had a chance to even make that Wish is because of all of your efforts."
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[X] How can we explain this to the strongest girl in the world?
-[X] Have a very soft, ask-and-answer talk with Homura. Repeat her statements if they are sentence fragments, help her to express. Do not complete for her, unless she motions for that. Kinda let her drive. If she stalls, only move forward a bit, then repeat the cycle. Stay as long as it takes.
[X] Caution regarding Homura's PTSD, teach her those facts.
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[X] "Most people don't pop out of nowhere with a good idea as to how to fix the problems of a bunch of other people they never met but remember really well. I can't say for certain how I'm here, but we both probably have a good guess. If a wish is powerful... What about a wish that helps other wishes? "
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[x] Conversation goal: Attempt to help Homura believe in herself and her future by telling her to have faith in Madokami who has faith in her and Wished to fix everything.
-[x] The conflict between the promise she made to Madoka and the fact that things are going well because of Madoka's Wish.
-[x] Homura not liking herself.
[x] Lead in with Asunaro being too blatantly better to be a convenient butterfly.
[x] Lay out all your evidence. Kirika's antimagic for Oriko, Nagisa, Anri, timings, Sayaka's behavior.
[x] Madoka's Wish is still helping.
[x] You know how much that must hurt Homura. But that's not the end of the story, because Madoka wished that everything could be fixed. And that includes Homura's story.
-[x] You know that Homura can only be happy if Madoka is safe and Homura is the one protecting her, and you know that Madoka can only be happy if Homura is happy.
[x] You do mean that you know. Your metaknowledge focuses on some people. The two people it focuses on the most are Madoka and Homura. Madoka cares about Homura, and you're almost certain she Wished thinking of Homura.
[x] Madoka wished that everything could be fixed. And that means Homura can be saved.
[x] Silently pray to Madokami. She Wished to save Homura, but there's no way unless Homura can accept Her help, so there has to be something like this. Please let this work.
[x] You don't believe that Madoka was tricked into that Wish. You think that she knew enough about Homura to know what she was doing.
-[x] Homura's last loop diverges from your metaknowledge, but you know what kinds of Wishes Madoka makes, and she wouldn't have made that one without a good reason.
-[x] And she decided to Wish that Homura could protect her and find happiness, among other things, and entrusted you and Homura with the future. You will see her will done.
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[X] "Homura."
-[X] Hug the stuffing out of her.
[X] You don't have sufficient details of her early loops to truly compare and contrast, so you don't know if you can really give her a perfect answer as to why.
-[X] But you'll damn well try if she asks. Any time, any where, for any topic, even if it takes you napping in timestop.
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[X] Null
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[x] Wait to see if Homura has more to say.
-[x] If she doesn't, Vebyast's vote.
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[x]No matter how well things seem to go for me, my time is finite, as is the time of anybody else I've brought into this aspiring shadow government. I can't be everywhere at once.
-[x]Example of force multiplier time stop provides that makes protecting Madoka possible.
-[x]Break to listening/ soliciting further engagement with Brinapilot fear alleviation/explanation as needed.
-[x](Response on Standby for concerns about her not being the one to do it personally)Governments are made of people. You know that picture from Hobbes' s Leviathan of a person made of people? You're part of the Leviathan too. The accomplishments of the Leviathan are the accomplishments of all the people it's made of.
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[X] Permanent: Break to voting whenever Sabrina detects a change in course of action might be merited.
[x] Conversation goal: Attempt to help Homura believe in herself, and a good future. Prevent her from feeling that her wish isn't being fulfilled because she isn't the one saving Madoka.
-[x] If further communication indicates that the above is not the cause of Homura's distress, attempt to get her to share what is. Don't continue to pursue the angle suggested below if it has been found to be irrelevant.
[x] Overall tone and subtext: Be comforting and encouraging. Don't make Homura feel like a sidekick. Make her feel like The Hero in a Five Man Band.
-[x] Encourage her to communicate what she's feeling, rather than use having to guess. Try to get her to engage and respond.
[x] Disambiguation: use of first person plural pronouns in the following is meant to indicate the entire team, not just Sabrina.
[x] It wasn't just me, though. It's never been just me. Everything we've done- it's been all of us.
[x] We're succeeding as a team. Kyubey tries to keep magical girls at each other's throats because he knows that no one can make it alone. Only together can we do this.
[X] Ask:
-[x] For temporary full hugging privileges. If given, hug as necessary.
-[X] To sit down.
-[X] To cleanse.
[x] Remind Homura: her contributions let us get this far.
-[x] She's been the one keeping Madoka safe this whole time.
-[x] Holding down the fort while we rush off to deal with out-of-town crises
-[x] All the times timestop was an epic force multiplier or let us get there in the nick of time.
-[x] Tracking down Oriko
-[x] Saving Sayaka from the witch.
-[x] Watching over Sayaka when she stormed off and ran straight into Kyouko.
-[x] Even just giving us this safe space to talk without Kyubey listening.
[x] The only reason any of this is possible is because of Homura's strength, because Homura fought and persevered all alone for years to carve out a chance at victory.
[x] Make sure that Homura knows that she is incredible and the hero of this story, that she is the one who will save Madoka, and that we're just here to help her.
-[x] We--the people around this table--are her friends and we care about her and Madoka and we will do whatever it takes to help them find their happy ending.
[x] If Homura's issue isn't her wish but just a general feeling of inadequacy, remind her that Sabrina is cheating.
-[x] Sabrina started out already knowing a lot of the things that Homura had to spend several loops learning the hard way and got to cheat the system with her wish.
-[x] Remind Homura of her own awesomeness and the vital role she's played using some of the points listed above. Emphasize the value of teamwork.
-[x] IF AND ONLY IF it seems like it might be needed and Wish Rejection is a non-issue, broach the topic of Madoka's Wish.
--[x] Discuss some of the timeline changes that seem to have made it possible for things to be fixed when they otherwise couldn't.
--[x] If Madoka's Wish really did create Sabrina, then it created her to help Homura succeed, because Madoka wants Homura to get her happy ending, too.
[x] If Homura's issue isn't a sense of inadequacy at all, but a fear that something will go wrong after these early successes have raised her hopes, encourage her that we will succeed.
-[x] Remind her of all the extra advantages we have this time around, which can actually let us break the system for a change. Emphasize the power of teamwork.
-[x] IF AND ONLY IF it seems like it might be needed and Wish Rejection is a non-issue, broach the topic of Madoka's Wish, as above.
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