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PMMM Idea Thread: Deeper Than Hope and Despair

Hey people.

I am currently writing a story involving PMMM right now, and I have a few questions:

1.) Can normal, non-depressed people wonder into a witch's/familiar's barrier by accident or not?
2.) Do Puella Magi have some sort of power to translate speech and dialogue into a language they understand?
3.) As an extension to above, does the translating power (assuming it exists) also work on written works?

All of these are important for the story I am writing...
 
dnzrx said:
Hey people.

I am currently writing a story involving PMMM right now, and I have a few questions:

1.) Can normal, non-depressed people wonder into a witch's/familiar's barrier by accident or not?
2.) Do Puella Magi have some sort of power to translate speech and dialogue into a language they understand?
3.) As an extension to above, does the translating power (assuming it exists) also work on written works?

All of these are important for the story I am writing...
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1: Probably
2/3: Not unless they wished for it, or QB is being particularly helpful.
 
dnzrx said:
Hey people.

I am currently writing a story involving PMMM right now, and I have a few questions:

1.) Can normal, non-depressed people wonder into a witch's/familiar's barrier by accident or not?
2.) Do Puella Magi have some sort of power to translate speech and dialogue into a language they understand?
3.) As an extension to above, does the translating power (assuming it exists) also work on written works?

All of these are important for the story I am writing...
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1. Yes. This happens to Hitomi, even though she's not really depressed; at worst, she's indecisive and doubtful about how to handle the Sayaka/Kyousuke situation.
2. Not unless they have a specific wish that would allow them to do so.
3. See above
 
thagguy said:
1. Yes. This happens to Hitomi, even though she's not really depressed; at worst, she's indecisive and doubtful about how to handle the Sayaka/Kyousuke situation.
2. Not unless they have a specific wish that would allow them to do so.
3. See above
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I guess number one make sense as well as two and three, even though I would like to have solid proof supporting the answers to two and three because I do not recall anything in the anime supporting the conclusions in two and three.
 
On the other hand their names are written in Witch-font on their rings, so it wouldn't be a huge stretch to have them capable of reading those runes as an inherent ability.
 
dnzrx said:
I guess number one make sense as well as two and three, even though I would like to have solid proof supporting the answers to two and three because I do not recall anything in the anime supporting the conclusions in two and three.
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Problem with two and three is while there is nothing going against it, there is also nothing going for it. All the characters shown are Japanese, so no one has to worry about language, and the only character who would have a legitimate reason for not knowing Japanese is Kyuubey, who is a member of an ancient alien race who has guided humanity since the Dawn of time.

On reasons why 2 and 3 probably shouldn't be true:
1. Communication between Magical Girls is something an Incubator doesn't want. The ideal magical girl from their eyes is Mami, a lonely girl, ignorant of the truth behind the system, who wants to get other girls to contract so that she won't be lonely anymore. The minute a girl starts using the translation magic to communicate between other girls, through phone or online or something, she loses both her loneliness, this lessening her chance of recruiting more girls, and has the possibility of shooting herself if another girl tells her about the MG to Witch.

2. They don't seem to ever read the witch runes. By all rights, a Magical Girl with this ability should be reading the runes, and maybe learning more about the system than the Incubators would prefer.
 
Walker of the Yellow Path said:
Problem with two and three is while there is nothing going against it, there is also nothing going for it. All the characters shown are Japanese, so no one has to worry about language, and the only character who would have a legitimate reason for not knowing Japanese is Kyuubey, who is a member of an ancient alien race who has guided humanity since the Dawn of time.

On reasons why 2 and 3 probably shouldn't be true:
1. Communication between Magical Girls is something an Incubator doesn't want. The ideal magical girl from their eyes is Mami, a lonely girl, ignorant of the truth behind the system, who wants to get other girls to contract so that she won't be lonely anymore. The minute a girl starts using the translation magic to communicate between other girls, through phone or online or something, she loses both her loneliness, this lessening her chance of recruiting more girls, and has the possibility of shooting herself if another girl tells her about the MG to Witch.

2. They don't seem to ever read the witch runes. By all rights, a Magical Girl with this ability should be reading the runes, and maybe learning more about the system than the Incubators would prefer.
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2. Translation magic for runes specifically doesn't tell the girl much except that Witches are strange and have odd naming systems.
 
Walker of the Yellow Path said:
Point. But it's still weird that they never comment on it.
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Well, the megucas we saw on-screen were Mami, whose interest in witches began and ended at "TIRO FINALE", Homura, who's anything but vocal about that kind of information and Sayaka, not the brightest bulb, was mostly focused on "Stab the witches!" and who suicide'd too fast for it to come up.

The names on the rings are evidence, though it could go either way depending on what the writer wants.
 
Ugolino said:
Well, the megucas we saw on-screen were Mami, whose interest in witches began and ended at "TIRO FINALE", Homura, who's anything but vocal about that kind of information and Sayaka, not the brightest bulb, was mostly focused on "Stab the witches!" and who suicide'd too fast for it to come up.

The names on the rings are evidence, though it could go either way depending on what the writer wants.
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Kyoko might have translated the runes. Witch farming implies that she at least tried to understand them. But I guess it wasn't important at the time and never came up in the anime.


Also, what are the names on the rings? I never bothered translating them. What do the runes on the rings read?
 
Hmm...

Since there is no evidence supporting or going against the translation part, I will just have to use author fiat on this issue since trying to write with a translation issue would be a pain, and bog down the story too much.

One thing that occurred to me is that if Homura has so much trouble telling the girls the truth, why not get hard evidence via photos or videos? She could carry a Camcorder in her hyperspace pocket and whip it out when interrogating Kyubey with questions or when Sayaka witches out for the tenth time or so...
 
dnzrx said:
Hmm...

Since there is no evidence supporting or going against the translation part, I will just have to use author fiat on this issue since trying to write with a translation issue would be a pain, and bog down the story too much.

One thing that occurred to me is that if Homura has so much trouble telling the girls the truth, why not get hard evidence via photos or videos? She could carry a Camcorder in her hyperspace pocket and whip it out when interrogating Kyubey with questions or when Sayaka witches out for the tenth time or so...
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Homura's problem isn't telling the truth. It's getting up the trust and faith TO tell the truth. In the first few loops, Homura learned everything about the other girls. Their bad, their good. And over time, as Homura grew up, as she changed, Sayaka, Mami, and Kyouko? They stopped being treasured friends. She began to see them as little girls who were more of a hinderence in her quest to protect Madoka than people who could, you know, actually help.
 
Ah, so it is a trust problem.

You know, there is no harm in trying new things (or retrying old things with a new twist) if you are Homura. After all, if things go south, be like a player in Fire Emblem and restart the chapter (or the timeline in this case).
 
More than trust, one has to wonder what sort of benefit Homura would even get out of partnering with someone else. Her power is orders of magnitude beyond what the other girls can muster.
 
Yubel said:
More than trust, one has to wonder what sort of benefit Homura would even get out of partnering with someone else. Her power is orders of magnitude beyond what the other girls can muster.
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Except that Mami has gotten the drop on her at least twice in the series and she outright kicked Homura's ass in Rebellion.
 
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Retsof said:
So, a bit of conversation in another thread resulted in this:

How would one go about making a Homukami and Madokuma?
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Madoka desires perfect world, wishes to take All the World's Evils upon herself?

Homura realizes Madoka has condemned herself to a life of suffering and steals Madoka's demon powers, reforging world to distribute the suffering to the Incubators?
 
dnzrx said:
Ah, so it is a trust problem.

You know, there is no harm in trying new things (or retrying old things with a new twist) if you are Homura. After all, if things go south, be like a player in Fire Emblem and restart the chapter (or the timeline in this case).
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Another Homura issue is that she's basically trying to outrun her grief. A lot of her problems in the show could have been solved if she took time to think things through. Instead she decided to steamroll anything that got in her way, no questions asked. I interpret her behavior as an aversion to thought: if she stops to think, every doubt, fear and regret she has will overwhelm her. That's probably why she lost all semblance of creativity in the later timelines.
 
A short story I've been working on:

Sasha strode into the barrier. A long tradition of killing a broken girl's mind. She'd grown old fighting her former Puella Magi. Over a decade of battle. She was not unscathed. Not unscarred.

She remembered all of her friends after they'd taken Kyubey's offer. So happy, so alive! They were going to save the world! Fight evil and live every dream they had of being heroes!

They were all there when Natasha fell.

The familiars gathered around her. They were odd things of teddy bears and night lights. Bound to the witch's life they served her every whim. Normally they attacked anything that entered the barrier on sight. But not her. They were not sure just what she was. She didn't feel human, nor did she quite give off the magic light of the Puella Magi. Sasha summoned her power to force them back. A flash and her costume was there. A long jacket inlaid with embroidery and gems. Clinched azure pants, a silver blouse, cobalt gloves and bone-white boots. Her weapon a double handed glaive.

She glared at the assembled nightmares. Her own power was too alien, but they understood aggression. The familiars responded the only way they knew. None lived.

After Natasha was gone, they panicked. The dream a nightmare. Kyubey wouldn't, couldn't save them. He watched as fear overwhelmed them. They fought witches more. The darkness consuming them in pieces. Soon there were no more witches. And only themselves left.

She remembered the look on Anna's face when they came for her. Her oldest friend. They been together for longer than their memories spanned. They shared each other secrets and deepest feelings. And she turned on her, just to save herself. Sasha knew that one day it would be her. She would survive no matter what.

The barrier world shook. Was it fear? Or just a reaction to her presence? The witch was ahead. A poor girl that gave in to the despair, to the darkness. A little girl Kyubey had deceived. Someone who didn't have anything left. Sasha was coming to take even that away. The past didn't matter now. This needed to be done. Her own sins would not be cleansed through this. It wouldn't make all the humans and witches she killed alive. Nothing would make it alright.

One by one she turned her friends on each other. Their blood on her hands. Watching the girls she grew up with tear each other apart. And she walked in and picked up the pieces. Until there was no-one left. Until she alone was hanging over that abyss. No one to save her. No one to know. Hanging by a fingernail, all alone in the world she made her choice. She ripped out half of her own soul, half of her very being and cast it into the eternal night. She'd survived. More and less than the Puella Magi she was the night before.

There was the witch. The master of this labyrinth. A shattered thing made of a rocking horse and a tapestry. She could hear the crying. A gift/curse from her transformation. Sasha dropped the illusion that made her look human. There was no one see, no one to care.

Her arms were patchworks of cloth and glass. Her eyes strawberry fields. Her hair was a color that was not a color. Twisted forever, broken and whole. Puella Magi and Witch. She survived.

Kyubey had whispered one word before he vanished forever. One word that he left with the girl that forged herself into this nightmare. Her identity now.

'Aberration.'
 
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