Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
oh right, sugar
we lack sugar cane
kk
time to invest in some sailing missions. get that high-calorie agricultural goodness amirite
okay but, counterpoint: carts are boring
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
- Start date
- Original
we lack sugar cane
kk
time to invest in some sailing missions. get that high-calorie agricultural goodness amirite
maximillian
Civilised Sheep
- Location
- Ranch
Well you can have your apprentice joiners practice carving interesting designs on them, or use left over dye products on them.
Hell you can make it a facet of carter subculture that each carter family decorates and enhances its carts throughout the generations to tell the family and cart history, ethos and myths.
- Location
- Philippines
Wait a minute guys we have a lot of cows so we have a lot of milk we also have bees meaning we have a lot of honey. Are we canaan?
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
we're not going to invent the roma any more than our hereditary traders already did
maximillian
Civilised Sheep
- Location
- Ranch
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
one has four wheels, is heavy, and is crudely built with solid timbers
the other has 2-4 wheels, is lightish, and requires finesse + relatively fine wood to build
maximillian
Civilised Sheep
- Location
- Ranch
Forsooth! Pray tell where have your sense of romance and adventure gone to?!
maximillian
Civilised Sheep
- Location
- Ranch
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
- Location
- within 2 hours of the White House
- Pronouns
- They/Them
no, thats wasps, iirc In fact, doing some light research...
Bees accept immigration. Although its referred to as "drift" and happens when an exhausted bee far from its hive decides to go for self preservation instead of dying in the way back
The Ymaryn are already very bee-like.
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- Location
- Philippines
I wonder when Not!Moses will be born.
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
- Location
- within 2 hours of the White House
- Pronouns
- They/Them
2 more wheels
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
the past decad of threadmarks have seen a steady decline in my goodwill
delighted
10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
- Location
- Present
No need for a nobility. Anyone with a lot of money and a desire to show of is good.
- Location
- Toronto
So I had an Idea
Welcome loyal reader to A Brief History. This one is about the Ymaryn, or "The People" as they liked to call themselves. This series is about the histories of ancient civilizations and how they have grown, changed, and died throughout Time. Much like my previous work on Khemetri, this book will cover the broad strokes of everything you need to know about the Ymaryn. This novel is not a substitute for in depth knowledge and research of the Ymaryn, merely an introduction to the subject. If you want more details and figures I'd suggest using Thomas Stevenson's A History of Ancient People's, it is one of the defining works of the Ymaryn and this novel is uses a lot of information from it. Now, without any further delay let us dive into history.
Section 1
Geography and Early Starts: Or Screw You Floodplains we can Farm Where we Want.
If you had to pick a starting location for a successful civilization, one would not likely pick the location of the Ymaryn. While it is located in a river valley, much like other early civilizations, it is also surrounded by large hills. This immediately limits the possibility of growth, expansion, and arable Farmland to grow crops. Furthermore, overland travel is very difficult, and the closest access to the sea is over those same difficult hills. This is compounded by the fact that just to the south east of the Ymaryn is a much better lowland river valley with better farmland and easier access to trade.
All in all the Ymaryn have major issues that limited them in both growth and development which might have led to them being conquered by their better off neighbors.
That being said, the Ymaryn had 3 major advantages that helped to mitigate or overcome the issues their homeland presented to them
All of these factors allowed the Ymaryn to rapidly expand to become one of the more successful local groups of people. They managed to outperform their neighbors on Food production, were accepting of refugees, and had a very centralized system of laws and government for the majority of its early History. They dominated the region and began to expand slowly outside of their river valley into the wider world. This would inevitably lead to conflict with the neighbors which is handily covered in the next section.
AN: So there was this idea I had of what how to describe the Ymaryn by an average modern individual. This book is not in any way meant to be serious or academic as noted by the lack of citations. It is just an overview by an individual obsessed with history. If I feel like it I'll write out more sections or excerpts of the book at a later time. What does everybody think?
A Brief History of The Ymaryn
AKA a History of Those Lucky Bastards
By Steve Gwnar
AKA a History of Those Lucky Bastards
By Steve Gwnar
Welcome loyal reader to A Brief History. This one is about the Ymaryn, or "The People" as they liked to call themselves. This series is about the histories of ancient civilizations and how they have grown, changed, and died throughout Time. Much like my previous work on Khemetri, this book will cover the broad strokes of everything you need to know about the Ymaryn. This novel is not a substitute for in depth knowledge and research of the Ymaryn, merely an introduction to the subject. If you want more details and figures I'd suggest using Thomas Stevenson's A History of Ancient People's, it is one of the defining works of the Ymaryn and this novel is uses a lot of information from it. Now, without any further delay let us dive into history.
Section 1
Geography and Early Starts: Or Screw You Floodplains we can Farm Where we Want.
If you had to pick a starting location for a successful civilization, one would not likely pick the location of the Ymaryn. While it is located in a river valley, much like other early civilizations, it is also surrounded by large hills. This immediately limits the possibility of growth, expansion, and arable Farmland to grow crops. Furthermore, overland travel is very difficult, and the closest access to the sea is over those same difficult hills. This is compounded by the fact that just to the south east of the Ymaryn is a much better lowland river valley with better farmland and easier access to trade.
All in all the Ymaryn have major issues that limited them in both growth and development which might have led to them being conquered by their better off neighbors.
That being said, the Ymaryn had 3 major advantages that helped to mitigate or overcome the issues their homeland presented to them
- A Place for Everything and Everything in its Place : The Ymaryn had a system in place from the beginning of their civilization that effectively stated that everyone got to eat. This was enforced by a very centralized state organization. While not at the level of modern-day nations, for the stone age and bronze age, the Ymaryn had an incredibly centralized government made possible by a core of scholars, priests and clerks.
- Sure, Stay as Long as you Need: The Ymaryn were, and are, a very open and welcoming people. Refugees and travelers were always welcome to stay, and live among the Ymaryn. It meant that the Individuals had to follow the Ymaryn's laws, but guaranteed access to food usually meant it was worth it for most people.
- I'm Gonna Turn that Mountain into a Garden: To say that the Ymaryn had some skill at farming would miss the point entirely. The Ymaryn managed to outproduce most of of their neighbors in food production. Irrigation, Steppe Farming, A canal that dates back to the Stone Age, the Ymaryn spent centuries turning their okay portion of land into the greenest place on Earth.
All of these factors allowed the Ymaryn to rapidly expand to become one of the more successful local groups of people. They managed to outperform their neighbors on Food production, were accepting of refugees, and had a very centralized system of laws and government for the majority of its early History. They dominated the region and began to expand slowly outside of their river valley into the wider world. This would inevitably lead to conflict with the neighbors which is handily covered in the next section.
AN: So there was this idea I had of what how to describe the Ymaryn by an average modern individual. This book is not in any way meant to be serious or academic as noted by the lack of citations. It is just an overview by an individual obsessed with history. If I feel like it I'll write out more sections or excerpts of the book at a later time. What does everybody think?
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- Location
- Huezil
Aaaaah okay, a chariot is the same as a war-cart? what about war chariot?
EDIT: Portuguese has the same problem as latim, one word for a bunch of things...
maximillian
Civilised Sheep
- Location
- Ranch
The flock gotta a cure that'll cheer you right up!
True. But what about the speed issue?
We already use Chariots en mass, so we have a handle on maintenance.
Adding the Gastraphes means we can replace the expensive noble (both training and lifestyle) with cheap yeomen. Their gear would be expensive, but we'd still come out cheaper than a noble archer.
But the main point is that we could make a heavy anti-armor weapon very mobile. A primitive tank, essentially.
Currently, the Bolt thrower is mostly used by Blackbirds to snipe heavily armored nobles.
The ammo cost for bows and crossbows is a valid concern, but given how much timber we have, I think we got that covered.
Regarding Apiaries: From my reading, early Apiaries were harvested destructively because the bees life cycle was ill understood. Our shamans may actually get fairly modern apiaries as they are already familiar with studying complex systems. But even so, the basic apiary makes things much easier.
- Location
- Canada
From what I've seen that was more of an assumption by beekeepers based on the assumptions of their teachers nothing concrete.
Apiary Set up
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
a chariot has less wheels and lighter build than a war cart
a war chariot has the same # of wheels as a chariot but a heavier build (i.e. more reinforcement of joins, thicker axel, thicker wheels) and sometimes higher sides (as a shield) and wheels equipped with blades. It usually has stronger or more horses to accommodate an increase in weight.
tired of expansionism
conquer the HK, conquer the Trell, integrate WW, establish another northern march and a couple of trade posts and then recede, consolidate, develop.
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maximillian
Civilised Sheep
- Location
- Ranch
Well if you just want to have mobile crossbows, light infantry will achieve mobility and utility as it can fulfill different roles and can react to a charge or a other attack. (Chariots have terrible manoeuvrability especially when in formation, and would waste precious time to realign to avoid a cavalry or light infantry assault, and if something strikes or gets stuck in the wheels.. )
If the purpose is mounted ballistae or other heavy equipment, it suffers the same problem with the addition of how would you control the elevation, direction and angle of fire?
Concho117
Going really fast!
- Location
- Somewhere in Orbit
We actually butterflied them away interestingly enough.
maximillian
Civilised Sheep
- Location
- Ranch
What about decentralisation , high arts, elaborate social ritual and ceremony, spiritualism and mysticism, fine cuisine, grand architecture and a lifestyle of splendour?
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ