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What the hell, quoting still isn't working... so i guess analysis will be late tonight, if at all, because "reply, scroll back up, repeat" is way too annoying to do an analysis with... still, important bits:
Academia Nut said:
Iron
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Upgrade from "early iron bloomeries" until materials
Academia Nut said:
Mysticism 3 (+7) [+1]
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This is too low to rush out the law, which is worrying...next turn we'll have enough for 3 at least, so a single main from us + the provinces will work...still, mysticism from salt gift would be nice.
Academia Nut said:
Metallurgy
Iron bloomeries
Trip hammers
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New tech category!
Academia Nut said:
Stability -1 (anxious)
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Also, blegh, stab hits :( Now more sad my vote didn't win :/
 
[X] [Census] Streamline lower bureaucracy (+1 Passive Policy)
[X] [Crisis] Instruct and reprimand rule breakers (Sec Restore Order + Sec Proclaim Glory)
[] [Diplo] Eliminate the Metal Workers before they can spread their knowledge (-1 Stability, Redeploy Red Banner, Greenshore converted to a colony)
[X] [React] Begin work on Iron Age Law Reform (-3 Mysticism, -1 Art per action, 3-4? actions required)


I'm very uncertain as to the Diplo choice. Not voting there yet, but I listed what I am currently thinking.

Census-> +1 Policy is more actions/turn. That's always really good. A Tech Upgrade is also viable, but harder to evaluate. This, on the other hand, means we get our Infrastructure developed at a very solid rate.
Crisis-> We're at too low of a Stability to safely investigate the ??? option. This gives average +2 Stability, which is hopefully good enough
React-> Festival is a lot better as a {S} than as a {M} since we don't gain any extra Stability, and starting The Law now will give us freedom next turn with our full action set. Our refunded Mysticism means this is safe and the provinces will do the full 2 actions.
 
[X] [Census] Free Administrative Tech upgrade
[X] [Crisis] Try to get to the bottom of things (???)
[X] [React] Stabilize the People (Main Improve Annual Festival)
[X] [Diplo] Attempt to bribe the Lightning Wolves (Sec Trade Mission + Sec Targeted Salt Gift)


I actually agree that going after the MW is actually a bad idea. I mean, we can't attack EVERYONE who figures out iron, can we?
 
tryrar said:
[X] [Census] Free Administrative Tech upgrade
[X] [Crisis] Try to get to the bottom of things (???)
[X] [React] Stabilize the People (Main Improve Annual Festival)
[X] [Diplo] Attempt to bribe the Lightning Wolves (Sec Trade Mission + Sec Targeted Salt Gift)


I actually agree that going after the MW is actually a bad idea. I mean, we can't attack EVERYONE who figures out iron, can we?
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We can't, no, so now we basically have to prop them up and try to diplo vassalize them so that they don't get conquered and spread iron everywhere.
 
Raichu1972 said:
stupidly corrupt merchants and have to eat a few stability hits to actually do it properly.
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Why do you think it was all our merchants and not a few or even singular corrupt one? The metal workers had everything they need to smelt iron except the knowledge whose to say that they did not roll their own nat 100 and figure it out after looking at the few samples they had.
 
[X] [Census] Free Administrative Tech upgrade
[X] [Crisis] Try to get to the bottom of things (???)
[X] [React] Stabilize the People(Main Improve Annual Festival)
[X] [Diplo] Attempt to bribe the Lightning Wolves (Sec Trade Mission + Sec Targeted Salt Gift)
 
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[X] [Diplo] Attempt to bribe everyone (Main Salt Gift, untargeted)
[X] [React] Stabilize the People (Main Improve Annual Festival)
 
[X] [Census] Streamline lower bureaucracy (+1 Passive Policy)
[X] [Crisis] Instruct and reprimand rule breakers (Sec Restore Order + Sec Proclaim Glory)
[X] [Diplo] Attempt to bribe the Lightning Wolves (Sec Trade Mission + Sec Targeted Salt Gift)
[X] [React] Stabilize the People (Main Improve Annual Festival)

Shadow government/crime syndicate still fucking us. Oh well.
I'll take the infra upgrades because it's powerful and we just need action economy to build stuff moreso than tech rushing at this point. Also bloated bureaucracy is part of the problem.
zzz mystery boxes. Just take the stab restoring options IMO, then Legitimacy next turn.
If we can just point the Lightning Wolves into the Thunder Speakers or even the Trelli somehow that would be ace.
And MOAR STAB, we don't need to start Law Reform this turn.
 
We need to get The Law started this turn. We can either use our [React] action or next turn's Main. Starting it as a Reaction means we have much more versatility. Festival would be nice but {M} Festival is kinda wasteful at this point, a whole main action for just +1 Stability. We can instead do a {S} Festival next turn and get basically the same benefits, and still have our {M} slot free so we can do something like a {M} Restore Order {S} Festival {S} Proclaim Glory.
 
Reader of all said:
Why do you think it was all our merchants and not a few or even singular corrupt one? The metal workers had everything they need to smelt iron except the knowledge whose to say that they did not roll their own nat 100 and figure it out after looking at the few samples they had.
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From the update:

It soon became evident that some of the tribes had spent the past few generations puzzling out the samples of iron they had obtained through war prizes or highly illegal trade with the People. While the People had been incredibly strict about control over the metal, even harsher about the smiths, and utterly obsessed over the secrecy of the mines, eventually someone would have figured out how to extract the metal from the ore, and the Metal Workers were certainly one group who had the necessary skills to have figured it out.

They would have figured it out once they knew what iron looked like, but they only learned because they were using our samples.

We had to study star metal to get our iron, while they got to study shit from our idiotic merchants, so they had a super head start.
 
[X] [Census] Streamline lower bureaucracy (+1 Passive Policy)
[X] [Crisis] Instruct and reprimand rule breakers (Sec Restore Order + Sec Proclaim Glory)
[X] [React] Begin work on Iron Age Law Reform (-3 Mysticism, -1 Art per action, 3-4? actions required)
[X] [Diplo] Attempt to bribe the Lightning Wolves (Sec Trade Mission + Sec Targeted Salt Gift)

Actually, @notgreat has a point that we just don't have the stability to get to the bottom of things, plus completing the Law update should fix things more thoroughly than a patch for now would.
 
[X] [Census] Streamline lower bureaucracy (+1 Passive Policy)
[X] [Crisis] Instruct and reprimand rule breakers (Sec Restore Order + Sec Proclaim Glory)
[X] [React] Stabilize the People(Main Improve Annual Festival)
[X] [Diplo] Attempt to bribe the Lightning Wolves (Sec Trade Mission + Sec Targeted Salt Gift)
 
>someone else finally gets iron
>GENOCIDE THEM ALL

Okay thread. Because Academia Nut totally didn't wog that we weren't built for aggressive wars and that they made everything worse back during Phgiff Times.

[X] [Census] Free Administrative Tech upgrade
[X] [Crisis] Try to get to the bottom of things (???)
[X] [Crisis] Instruct and reprimand rule breakers (Sec Restore Order + Sec Proclaim Glory)
[X] [Diplo] Attempt to bribe the Lightning Wolves (Sec Trade Mission + Sec Targeted Salt Gift)
[X] [React] Begin work on Iron Age Law Reform (-3 Mysticism, -1 Art per action, 3-4? actions required)

Work on Law and Instruct options probably have synergy.
 
[X] [Census] Streamline lower bureaucracy (+1 Passive Policy)
[X] [Crisis] Instruct and reprimand rule breakers (Sec Restore Order + Sec Proclaim Glory)
[X] [React] Begin work on Iron Age Law Reform (-3 Mysticism, -1 Art per action, 3-4? actions required)
[X] [Diplo] Attempt to bribe the Lightning Wolves (Sec Trade Mission + Sec Targeted Salt Gift)

Finalizing my Diplo choice, this is a good and safe choice, so I'm going for it.
 
[] [Census] Chance to upgrade We Have Reserves

It's a big boon here, this is one of the more problematic traits while also hugely beneficial.
Trait evolutions are consistently great.

[] [Census] Free Administrative Tech upgrade

Useful for the Law to have more administrative tools when we start it.

[] [Census] Efficient land redistribution (Main DL, does not make management harder)

Well...that's one way to make sure we take the action?

[] [Census] Streamline lower bureaucracy (+1 Passive Policy)

This would generally result in infrastructure building up faster on it's own. A very big buff over time, since it'd let us build a redshore aqueduct passively over 3 turns or likewise with other infrastructure projects.
Narratively it should help with the Law by making the bureaucracy smoother on the ground level

All great options really.


[] [Crisis] Instruct and reprimand rule breakers (Sec Restore Order + Sec Proclaim Glory)

Tides us over until we get to the Law. My preference

[] [Crisis] Consult the priests (+1 RA, +1 Stability, ???)

I don't think the priests know whats wrong either. But they can be reassuring?

[] [Crisis] Try to get to the bottom of things (???)

NOPE, we don't have the tool to do this yet. It's the ideal option but we're not in an ideal situation.
It's a trap at present. There's no conspiracy, just the system being overloaded.

[] [Diplo] Attempt to bribe the Lightning Wolves (Sec Trade Mission + Sec Targeted Salt Gift)

It could work? We have the Wealth to pull it off.

[] [Diplo] Attempt to bribe everyone (Main Salt Gift, untargeted)

This would generate enough Mysticism to finish the Law probablly.

[] [Diplo] Hit these nomads before they get going (Main War Mission + Redeploy Red Banner)
-[] [Diplo] Free Switch to Offence Policy
-[] [Diplo] Free Switch to Defence Policy
-[] [Diplo] Free Switch to Passive Defence Policy

Preemptive strike on a Heroic nomad into steppes...we MIGHT be able to make it work but it could be a lot worse.

[] [Diplo] Eliminate the Metal Workers before they can spread their knowledge (-1 Stability, Redeploy Red Banner, Greenshore converted to a colony)

This would have ugly consequences for our traits. Pass.

[] [Diplo] Hold tight (No action)

Why.

[] [React] Begin work on Iron Age Law Reform (-3 Mysticism, -1 Art per action, 3-4? actions required)

The problem isn't the number of actions, it's the amount of Mysticism. We're short 3 if it's 4 actions.

[] [React] Build new aqueduct in Redshore (2*Sec Build Aqueduct)

Rather urgently needed I think?

[] [React] Improve saltern to take advantage of the new salt mine (Southshore Saltern expansion)

NOT urgently needed.

[] [React] Stabilize the People (Main Improve Annual Festival)

Builds up Stability for the legal reform clusterfuck. We can currently afford it.

[] [React] Work on finishing new boat design (Main More Boats)

And there's the merits of simply finishing off one of the problems.

My vote(as already outlined previously):
[X] [Census] Streamline lower bureaucracy (+1 Passive Policy)
[X] [Crisis] Instruct and reprimand rule breakers (Sec Restore Order + Sec Proclaim Glory)
[X] [Diplo] Attempt to bribe the Lightning Wolves (Sec Trade Mission + Sec Targeted Salt Gift)
[X] [React] Stabilize the People (Main Improve Annual Festival)

Priority to getting the Stability needed for the Law.
Combining Festival, Restore Order and Proclaim Glory is narratively good for the Law as well.
 
tryrar said:
[X] [Census] Streamline lower bureaucracy (+1 Passive Policy)
[X] [Crisis] Instruct and reprimand rule breakers (Sec Restore Order + Sec Proclaim Glory)
[X] [React] Begin work on Iron Age Law Reform (-3 Mysticism, -1 Art per action, 3-4? actions required)
[X] [Diplo] Attempt to bribe the Lightning Wolves (Sec Trade Mission + Sec Targeted Salt Gift)

Actually, @notgreat has a point that we just don't have the stability to get to the bottom of things, plus completing the Law update should fix things more thoroughly than a patch for now would.
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It's better for us to get to the bottom of things so that we can more properly address things when we do Iron Age Law Reform, else things'll be missed and problems which could've been solved won't even be noticed. The festival might actually bring some of these problems to the fore by giving people an opportunity to express their grievances.
 
@Academia Nut what is the difference between Early Iron Bloomeries and the ones that we have now? Presumably the MW are going to have to uptech their way to get to where we are now so it'd be nice to know how much of an advantage we have.
 
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[] [Crisis] Consult the priests (+1 RA, +1 Stability, ???)
Does this have a good chance of uncovering the true problems, or is it asking the priests to convince our people that everything is okay?
 
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