pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
Since taxes. It's been a while. 640ish years? (That I personally have been waiting for our Blessed Dam and Savior.)
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Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
- Start date
- Original
- Location
- Orlando, Florida
Well at times it's more like the Great Ymaryn Thorium Molten Salt Reactor.
- Location
- Australia
Cataracts aren't necessary for the dam.
You do realize they're going to expand indefinitely and become more and more independent unless we start eating their rear right? Which requires high connectivity to administrate
Loyalty is transient and fickle, you can expect it to rise when we can attend to their issues and to drop when we cannot, but as we expand there WILL be issues we cannot attend to.
Dependency is lasting, as long as the periphery state relies upon the center for services, it will tolerate loyalty drops.
Trails are not a replacement for rivers, nor the reverse.
Trails govern routine traffic, the mixing of cultures and people, as anyone can walk the trail or ride a wagon. They can EASE the transmission of messages and commands through horse couriers, but trails going through hilly and mountainous terrain are inherently limited in speed even for a horse rider, until we have the explosives needed to move hills out of the way.
Rivers and coasts govern bulk trade, the movement of commands, messengers, armies and information. They are thus tools the state uses to demonstrate it's value to the people administrated.
A study of RL empire will reflect this. No matter the quality of your roads, empires grow along rivers and open plains, they may carve their way through forests, but never through mountains. Mountains are natural dividing lines, where a small force can prevent a large force from passing.
It is not coincidence that Rome spread across the coasts, then rivers, then finally...more rivers. That China spread along the rivers, then the coast, then finally the plains. That Greece spread along the coast or Egypt spread along the Nile.
Concho117
Going really fast!
- Location
- Somewhere in Orbit
*ahem*
Gestures to tour group. "Now if you would look to the left you can see The Great Ymaryn Thorium Molten Salt Reactor which lies on the shores of The Great Ymaryn Sea of Threadsalt."
The tour group oohs and aahs.
"Now some of you may be too young to remember but the the Molten Salt Reactor was temporarily replaced by The Great Ymaryn Pressurized Light Water Reactor during the Boat and Tax eras. The ecological damage caused by those meltdowns is still being cleansed to this day!"
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Cataracts are at the main spot to connect our river to the lowlands. Essential, unless you want our strategic traffic to go through HK territory..
Concho117
Going really fast!
- Location
- Somewhere in Orbit
Check the 4th staff post.
One of the mod post.
I think we have moved on to "when in doubt, build more boats!"
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
- Location
- Lickwidget
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Good.
Holy crap good.
Logical.
Obviously.
Perfection. And Pblur wins in my headcannon.
We are going Insaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaane. Help.
Holy SHIT guys! That was hilarious!
And I completely missed it by sleeping...
Note that that was when we had navy as our only option to hit them with. I'm with pblur here, they made a mistake by giving us a land target. And them fielding 10 mercs is on the extreme end I would imagine, it's a decent estimate for the high end but it should be remembered it is the high end.
That's pretty normal.
Trails which go from Valleyhome into mountainous/hilly Redhil which then go to the East Hills near the Thunder Speakers which then go to the Txolla in that area.
We have zero indication that the trails has connected up all of them to themselves, especially with this new province they have got.
I will also note that they are getting iron now because a colony has rights to import it. So leaving them be is a really bad idea.
And it has been said already, but we took Valleyhome, so we have to work to make it suitable. However, grabbing the settlement is all we need to do at present. If you feel that all actions must be wholly focused on the Tax and Trelli, it is not feasible. Heading off problems before they arise(sudden urge to do Arise Chicken! meme) is another part of crisis managment.
It's about 700 to 800 Ymaryn Years.
This, is highest grade bullshit. You cannot remotely handle a periphery state perpetually. That's what got us into this position we have with the Stallions.
So, from your arguments so far what I am seeing is that you want to retract all efforts in regards to the cataracts letting the HK expand into them and regain their former threat level. This is coupled with not putting in the required effort to make Valleyhome suitable for all our peoples. Then you want to never integrate a foreign colony which is now going to have iron and is expanding quickly in semi-fertile soil helped along by our greatest farming techniques.
I find this a series of very bad ideas, for several reasons people above me have laid out, and because it seems to be repeating history which we are dealing with the consequences of now in the Stallions.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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- Lickwidget
- Pronouns
- She/Her
We had that before the turn. It was actually rather sedate by this thread's standards.
Didn't even get the main turbine spinning.
ThrawnCA
Carbon-based biped
- Location
- Australia
Basically, the coolness of multi-hulls was already established when we were simply discussing size vs speed, and then AN was nice enough to drop in multi-hulls as a specific innovation option, so they won pretty handily.
- Location
- Australia
I see, now. I accept the need for the cataracts settlement. I remain firm in my belief that we should do a festival this turn, however. The synergy opportunity is too great to ignore, its effects too helpful in alleviating multiple issues. Whatever else you have planned besides the settlement, I implore you to put it off so that we can take advantage of the festival opportunity so we can handle the refugees and the census better. The trails we're doing this turn will improve its cultural effects (very important for northern provinces and Hatriver) and it'll give us Stability to weather the tax crisis.
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We spent ridiculous amount of time discussing the pro and con of multi-hull boats(not good for bulk cargo, speedy and stable, practically unsinkable, though capsized stay capsized). So it is obvious to everyone to what they are voting for: ridiculous fast boats.
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ThrawnCA
Carbon-based biped
- Location
- Australia
I'm not seeing this, though, more than all sorts of other synergies.
More trails would help the census takers get everywhere, for example. A trade mission or salt gift to the Highland Kingdom would make sense if we're expanding in their direction. Sending support to Tinriver would be an excellent bolster against looming conflict. A mercenary company at the same time as a propagation gives discontented souls somewhere else to go.
Can you explain what makes festival synergy better than all the others?
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- Location
- Australia
I included an explanation within that same post you quoted.
Concho117
Going really fast!
- Location
- Somewhere in Orbit
Good.
Holy crap good.
Logical.
Obviously.
Perfection. And Pblur wins in my headcannon.
We are going Insaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaane. Help.
Holy SHIT guys! That was hilarious!
And I completely missed it by sleeping...
Note that that was when we had navy as our only option to hit them with. I'm with pblur here, they made a mistake by giving us a land target. And them fielding 10 mercs is on the extreme end I would imagine, it's a decent estimate for the high end but it should be remembered it is the high end.
That's pretty normal.
Trails which go from Valleyhome into mountainous/hilly Redhil which then go to the East Hills near the Thunder Speakers which then go to the Txolla in that area.
We have zero indication that the trails has connected up all of them to themselves, especially with this new province they have got.
I will also note that they are getting iron now because a colony has rights to import it. So leaving them be is a really bad idea.
And it has been said already, but we took Valleyhome, so we have to work to make it suitable. However, grabbing the settlement is all we need to do at present. If you feel that all actions must be wholly focused on the Tax and Trelli, it is not feasible. Heading off problems before they arise(sudden urge to do Arise Chicken! meme) is another part of crisis managment.
It's about 700 to 800 Ymaryn Years.
This, is highest grade bullshit. You cannot remotely handle a periphery state perpetually. That's what got us into this position we have with the Stallions.
So, from your arguments so far what I am seeing is that you want to retract all efforts in regards to the cataracts letting the HK expand into them and regain their former threat level. This is coupled with not putting in the required effort to make Valleyhome suitable for all our peoples. Then you want to never integrate a foreign colony which is now going to have iron and is expanding quickly in semi-fertile soil helped along by our greatest farming techniques.
I find this a series of very bad ideas, for several reasons people above me have laid out, and because it seems to be repeating history which we are dealing with the consequences of now in the Stallions.
Yeah, the Haikus were great.
Really funny that Academia Nut had to come down in person to put a stop to it.
I can't imagine that this is what he had in mind when he decided to QM this quest.
At least we got a Monty Python skit out of it.
How would this bout of delirium, in your opinion, compare to other silly thread times?
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pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
We had the debate early and we pretty much all agreed with it.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
- Location
- Lickwidget
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Yeah and it actually showed up after I made a comment about needing a bomb suit, if I recall correctly.
I need to go see if I can find that conversation. One moment!
Ehhhhh... funnier than the Naruto x Sauske shipping, which is the last silly thing I can think of.
The even better part was that it was from a certain perspective still on topic because we were discussing things to do next turn. Just in a silly way.
Goddamit.
Sexual political metaphors with the lowlands get difficult. It's one big orgy of violence.
Well, the first choice was already made a while ago when we picked Outriggers. Sunk costs helped a bit because we already invested into them and are not feeling like dumping that investment.
The other event is propagating Hatvalley to contest Trelli colonization, so unfortunately there is still a conflict.
You should see We Stand In Salt on the bad days.