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Abby Normal said:
Considering the first thing, even before looking to construction, that our priests decided to do with mortar was prank foreign pilgrims to holy sites, i think our priests would be more than happy to have electricity with which to do similar :p (alongside more legitimate displays of how the magic of <god of lightning> works, of course, because we can't have not display our wisdom for all to see)
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Probably yes, but the thing with electricity is that while static electricity is great for levitation tricks, and bioelectricity is great for amazement, chemical electricity is unachieveable and electromagnetics produces too little current or potential gap to notice until you develop all the other measurement technologies, though the predecessors exist as alchemical plating tricks
Quest said:
I don't know about electricity, but magnets might be a useful discovery.
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Magnets led to compasses, so yeah they were a major discovery for navigation. You'd have to find naturally magnetic ore at present though, which required using iron to notice.

...so for now all it takes is really a bunch of surveys and then Study Metal
pblur said:
Lighting isn't going to happen. Our choices there are lightbulbs (which require vacuum pumps) and arc lighting (which requires gas pumps and really high current.)

Electroplating trinkets might be doable for a hard to duplicate trade good.
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Chemical plating would happen first probably.
 
Concho117 said:
@pblur
@Raichu1972
@veekie

I have a dream.

A beautiful dream of vast armies riding into battle wielding a variable arsenal of Tesla coils.

OUR EMEMIES SHALL BREAK ON WALLS OF LIGHTNING AND FIRE!!!

*ahem*

More seriously though the discovery of electromagnetism now will make future scientific advances the field easier later on. As for current utility we can use it to improve industrial process as well as more civic-related things like smokeless, fuel-less lighting in the dark to improve production by using a 24-hour work cycle.

If we get lucky we might even discover a primitive telegraph system which would dramatically improve the administration problem.

Also, Raichu you of all people should be totally in favor of this given your username.
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This is pie in the sky stuff at the moment, we don't have the Infrastructure to do anything at all useful with it. You underestimate how difficult it is to get what your asking with what The People know, and have available to them.

It's a bit silly to start talking about this now.
 
MrGazzer said:
This is pie in the sky stuff at the moment, we don't have the Infrastructure to do anything at all useful with it. You underestimate how difficult it is to get what your asking with what The People know, and have available to them.

It's a bit silly to start talking about this now.
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It was silly to talk about getting Iron in the early Bronze Age yet here we are...

Also Vaccination.

Also Environmental Engineering.
 
Honestly, I want to pull a Xoh and overflow all our stats. Then milk that until we get a positive governmental change much more robust and beneficial to us.
 
Concho117 said:
If we get lucky we might even discover a primitive telegraph system which would dramatically improve the administration problem.

Also, Raichu you of all people should be totally in favor of this given your username.
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You don't need electricity to create a primitive telegraph system and in fact, the Ymaryn already has all the ingredients for a long time. They have rest stations, towers, roads, fabrics and dyes.

Inventing spyglasses from our glass industry would greatly aid in reducing infrastructure cost, but that's unnecessary.
 
When I see this shit about electricity.

If I didn't think I'd have the forum police on my ass I'd link you guys about five more gifs of people laughing.
 

Finally, speculation and attempts at understanding what really went wrong.
 
pblur said:

Finally, speculation and attempts at understanding what really went wrong.
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So it basically dovetail with our Greater Sacred Forest megaproject. It's a complex system that takes a lot of semi-skilled specialists and priests to maintain, but allow us to survive shocks that other civilizations can't, but if we can't maintain the rest of the system, we can't feed the population, therefore.....we can't maintain the wonder...leading to collapse.
 
pblur said:

Finally, speculation and attempts at understanding what really went wrong.
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Hmm.

Well I don't really know what to say to that.

Perhaps the only really good answer to that is to continuously improve our sources of innovation in the hopes that it will somehow make us more resilient to systems collapse.
 
notgreat said:
edit: They might not be done. They were at 4/8 before, and while they used their Mills innovation to improve the Aqueduct it might not have been 4 progress worth.
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Naw, according to the update they're done, the innovation lets them remove the "terrain makes it difficult to raise water" problem by just slapping a pump that can move water up to a higher altitude tank rather than run an aqueduct a massive distance upriver to get enough altitude to move it.
Concho117 said:
It was silly to talk about getting Iron in the early Bronze Age yet here we are...

Also Vaccination.

Also Environmental Engineering.
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Note that these are things with all the parts already present. And we can only vaccinate cowpox because it's the only disease we can maintain a live culture for until refrigeration.

Environmental engineering is not hard in the technical sense, it just requires people to be willing and able to commit to a project that costs a lot of work right now and won't have any visible effect in their lifetime.
Kiba said:
You don't need electricity to create a primitive telegraph system and in fact, the Ymaryn already has all the ingredients for a long time. They have rest stations, towers, roads, fabrics and dyes.

Inventing spyglasses from our glass industry would greatly aid in reducing infrastructure cost, but that's unnecessary.
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There's the Roman Water Telegraph, which uses a closed pipe water level system to communicate long distance via raising and lowering the level of water in a container, which has predetermined messages marked on it.
Quite effective on hilly terrain and fairly easy to build for anyone who can build aqueducts.

As for spyglasses, that requires clear glass, which requires glass(we have it), quicklime(we are near it) and and study alchemy with both, then we need to figure out optical glass, which is going to show up once we figure out clear glass and build glassworks for innovation rolls.
 
Concho117 said:
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why did they bother making this a pyramid when there's a whole z axis they're not using

you could just make a triangle and not have that extra side on the bottom that you're not using at all like

pbluekan said:
Why did you link me this? It's a shitty textbook figure.

Here's Wikipedia's biome map:

The specific type of forest I think we will see:
Temperate coniferous forest - Wikipedia

Warm summers cool winters.
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thx for this here's more

Altitudinal effects on ecotone proportions (y'all probably know this already. Remember that while it says "forest line ecotone" it can be assumed, for any ecology with aurochs, that there are meadows and likely riverine ecotones, too, which vary in ill-understood fashions.)

Effects of forest + soil + climate type on water flow. Montane forest appears to have a relatively low water table, which means that farming with annual crops will be somewhat more difficult. On the plus side, this is easily remediable through black soil's high water retention, leading to a diminished loss of near-surface moisture, but potentially leading to more surface water and increased flooding.

 
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veekie said:
Note that these are things with all the parts already present. And we can only vaccinate cowpox because it's the only disease we can maintain a live culture for until refrigeration.
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It isn't even vaccination as we think of it. It's just simplistic inoculation against infection. It's why parents have always put their kids together so they all get sick with childhood illnesses like chickenpox.

Actual vaccination requires germ theory, and a working knowledge of biochemistry.
 
I remember someone talking about optical lenses and telescopes before, but the best way I can think of getting those is doing the Place in the Stars megaproject.

It would basically be a dedicated temple to looking at the stars (proto-observatory) with ways to best see the stars in all conditions, which might be enough to push through the development of telescopes.
 
pbluekan said:
My point was more in the use of vaccination as validation for us maybe getting electricity.
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*shrug*
If you believe that electricity works because Thunder Horse has a fetish for cat fur being rubbed on amber rods and therefore blesses it with his virility you're still getting electricity. What matters is that the flawed logic that leads to the result needs to be flexible enough to lead from a minor result to a large one.
 
Susano said:
You can only vote for one expansion plan.
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You can in fact vote for as many as you want - the tally will deal with it just fine, and lots of people are doing it.

Unless and until AN speaks up and asks people not to do it, I see not reason that people shouldn't engage in this practice.

ctulhuslp said:
*rants about not being properly paranoid*
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I've been clear about my intentions for a while. I will prioritize finishing the palace over wherever we put the trading post, unless the whole thing is on fire.

Now, I would have preferred that we spent our Expansion on a mercenary company or on the East trading post, because those are far less likely to get set on fire, but it happens that the two most flammable options are winning right now, so what can you do? :(
 
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