No?
Lolywnna was barred from the job because she has Atrocious Diplomacy. As in she could barely be understood because she spoke only in metaphors and symbols.

Rulwyna, I might remind you, is considered a Shaman by the council.
Rulwynna may have been considered a shaman but she was never primarily a shaman like say Bynwynn by cutting the shamans off from political power to let them focus on the spiritual matters it made it so that they are unsuited to become king at our current form of government there is a reason that when asked how rulwynna could become king if she was raised at the temple it was convert our civ into a thoecracy.
 
Rulwynna may have been considered a shaman but she was never primarily a shaman like say Bynwynn by cutting the shamans off from political power to let them focus on the spiritual matters it made it so that they are unsuited to become king at our current form of government there is a reason that when asked how rulwynna could become king if she was raised at the temple it was convert our civ into a thoecracy.

You really need to learn to use period.
 
Actually no, priests can be elected King like any Chief. Remember these are the legitimate election pool for King:
-Provincial Chief
-Provincial Chief Priest
--Which has one seat for each province.
-Royal <Job> Chief
--Which always has a Royal Spirit Chief as a guaranteed position

Mostly it's that the priests rarely WANT the position.
It'd take time away from doing SCIENCE Magic!
Nitpick: technically, that's the election pool for heirs since we don't elect kings directly.
 
She's not fully raised a Shaman, no, but it's not a position barred to Shamans, but rather that we structured society in such a way that our priests are not interested in kingship as a goal.

Reminders of stat importance and Kingship:
-Martial - Varies. While military achievement is useful for a King, because military victories is the easiest way to promote yourself across the provinces, Kings have been elected on Poor Martial before, since most Kings never see any fighting.
This is the path taken by our Northern Kings

-Diplomacy - Very Important to significant(depending on whether you are running on your tongue alone or if you are just using okay diplomacy to market your skills elsewhere). As an elected system, your ability to promote yourself and play the political game is paramount. Kings without at least Average Diplomacy are very unlikely to be elected.
This is the path taken by Magwyna, Rulwyna, and whathisname the Hotboxing King.

-Admin - Varies. This is the primary means for most of our Kings to stand out from the pack in times of peace. There is ALWAYS something to administrate and manage, so the most reliable means of winning achievements to be considered is through Admin skill. Admin skill also appears to be the Politics skill.
This is the path taken by the majority of Kings.

-Mysticism - Varies(low). While it is possible to make achievements through Mysticism, it's difficult to get achievements comprehensible by the common People through this. As such, Mysticism is usually unimportant for Kings.
It's really just Bynwyn and Rulwyna. And Hotboxer.
 
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Quick question.
How far away are we from electricity?
We have copper. I asume it wouldn't be too hard to find a primitive magnet and put the two together. Hell, batteries aren't even that complicated to put together.
 
Quick question.
How far away are we from electricity?
We have copper. I asume it wouldn't be too hard to find a primitive magnet and put the two together. Hell, batteries aren't even that complicated to put together.
Static electricity was discovered using Amber and Fine Textiles. We technically have the ingredients for an Early Electropile(copper, silver, lead and sulfuric acid), but no use aside from a curiosity.
 
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Quick question.
How far away are we from electricity?
We have copper. I asume it wouldn't be too hard to find a primitive magnet and put the two together. Hell, batteries aren't even that complicated to put together.

We would have to get really lucky like we did with iron, like roll a natural 100. We would probably require at least a mystic hero and maybe some more development of our maxed out Love of Wisdom value.
 
We would have to get really lucky like we did with iron, like roll a natural 100. We would probably require at least a mystic hero and maybe some more development of our maxed out Love of Wisdom value.

But why?

There's plenty of historical justification for the discovery of electricity especially with a focus on conductors.

Long before any knowledge of electricity existed, people were aware of shocks from electric fish. Ancient Egyptian texts dating from 2750 BCE referred to these fish as the "Thunderer of the Nile", and described them as the "protectors" of all other fish. Electric fish were again reported millennia later by ancient Greek, Roman and Arabic naturalists and physicians.[2] Several ancient writers, such as Pliny the Elder and Scribonius Largus, attested to the numbing effect of electric shocksdelivered by catfish and electric rays, and knew that such shocks could travel along conducting objects.[3] Patients suffering from ailments such as gout or headache were directed to touch electric fish in the hope that the powerful jolt might cure them.[4] Possibly the earliest and nearest approach to the discovery of the identity of lightning, and electricity from any other source, is to be attributed to the Arabs, who before the 15th century had the Arabicword for lightning ra'ad (Arabic: رعد‎‎) applied to the electric ray.[5]

Ancient cultures around the Mediterraneanknew that certain objects, such as rods of amber, could be rubbed with cat's fur to attract light objects like feathers. Thales of Miletusmade a series of observations on static electricity around 600 BCE, from which he believed that friction rendered amber magnetic, in contrast to minerals such as magnetite, which needed no rubbing.[6][7][8][9] Thales was incorrect in believing the attraction was due to a magnetic effect, but later science would prove a link between magnetism and electricity. According to a controversial theory, the Parthians may have had knowledge of electroplating, based on the 1936 discovery of the Baghdad Battery, which resembles a galvanic cell, though it is uncertain whether the artifact was electrical in nature.[10]
 
Quick question.
How far away are we from electricity?
We have copper. I asume it wouldn't be too hard to find a primitive magnet and put the two together. Hell, batteries aren't even that complicated to put together.
What do you want to do with electricity? Batteries don't seem very useful for me.
 
Personally, i'd much rather have either a new mercenary company or the east trelli post (and i think i'm currently voting for both :p), but either too many people dont agree, or too many people don't like approval voting, so those are kind of not competitive :/ Between the North and west posts, i prefer the west (and again, voted for that in my approval vote), because either way i think we'll end up with a pirate problem in the short/mid term, and a too-powerful and aggressive trelli in the mid/long term, and i'd rather do something to counter that, rather than adding another front for us to care about, in the form of the farthest front we've got.
 
But why?

There's plenty of historical justification for the discovery of electricity especially with a focus on conductors.
I suppose it would be possible to discover electricity if we got lucky enough, but a better question would be what would we be able to use it for.

Iron was such a big discovery because it can be found anywhere and can be used for just about anything the Bronze can be used for at about an equal level of quality.

Discovering how to conduct electricity would be useful for impressing foreigners, as an "Our priests can channel the powers of the Divines!" kinda thing, but we don't really have any of the infrastructure or ideas currently to get any use out of electricity.
 
We would have to get really lucky like we did with iron, like roll a natural 100. We would probably require at least a mystic hero and maybe some more development of our maxed out Love of Wisdom value.
Electricity was first discovered through bioelectricity, though I don't know if we have any tazing fish in our area. People apparently used them for electroshock therapy very early on.

But luck has little to do with it, there's simply nothing more than a curiosity to use it on. We can't even refine the zinc needed for an voltaic pile yet for instance, and theres little going for anything which would identify electricity as a distinct phenomenon(you need pretty high power to be noticeable even conducting through skin)
 
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Electricity was first discovered through bioelectricity, though I don't know if we have any tazing fish in our area. People apparently used them for electroshock therapy very early on.

But luck has little to do with it, there's simply nothing more than a curiosity to use it on.
Considering the first thing, even before looking to construction, that our priests decided to do with mortar was prank foreign pilgrims to holy sites, i think our priests would be more than happy to have electricity with which to do similar :p (alongside more legitimate displays of how the magic of <god of lightning> works, of course, because we can't have not display our wisdom for all to see)
 
@pblur
@Raichu1972
@veekie

I have a dream.

A beautiful dream of vast armies riding into battle wielding a variable arsenal of Tesla coils.

OUR EMEMIES SHALL BREAK ON WALLS OF LIGHTNING AND FIRE!!!

*ahem*

More seriously though the discovery of electromagnetism now will make future scientific advances the field easier later on. As for current utility we can use it to improve industrial process as well as more civic-related things like smokeless, fuel-less lighting in the dark to improve production by using a 24-hour work cycle.

If we get lucky we might even discover a primitive telegraph system which would dramatically improve the administration problem.

Also, Raichu you of all people should be totally in favor of this given your username.
 
@pblur
@Raichu1972
@veekie

I have a dream.

A beautiful dream of vast armies riding into battle wielding a variable arsenal of Tesla coils.

OUR EMEMIES SHALL BREAK ON WALLS OF LIGHTNING AND FIRE!!!

*ahem*

More seriously though the discovery of electromagnetism now will make future scientific advances the field easier later on. As for current utility we can use it to improve industrial process as well as more civic-related things like smokeless, fuel-less lighting in the dark to improve production by using a 24-hour work cycle.

If we get lucky we might even discover a primitive telegraph system which would dramatically improve the administration problem.

Also, Raichu you of all people should be totally in favor of this given your username.
Lighting isn't going to happen. Our choices there are lightbulbs (which require vacuum pumps) and arc lighting (which requires gas pumps and really high current.)

Electroplating trinkets might be doable for a hard to duplicate trade good.
 
Isn't it a thing of beauty?
Elegant in its simplicity but oh so valuable for administration.

 
@pblur
@Raichu1972
@veekie

I have a dream.

A beautiful dream of vast armies riding into battle wielding a variable arsenal of Tesla coils.

OUR EMEMIES SHALL BREAK ON WALLS OF LIGHTNING AND FIRE!!!

*ahem*

More seriously though the discovery of electromagnetism now will make future scientific advances the field easier later on. As for current utility we can use it to improve industrial process as well as more civic-related things like smokeless, fuel-less lighting in the dark to improve production by using a 24-hour work cycle.

If we get lucky we might even discover a primitive telegraph system which would dramatically improve the administration problem.

Also, Raichu you of all people should be totally in favor of this given your username.
I like electricity as much as the next guy, but maybe not as much as you.

The problem with electricity is that it's essentially useless on its own. If we discover that things can conduct electricity, that doesn't necessarily mean that we'll discover lightbulbs or self-moving things powered by electricity or anything, nor will we necessarily discover batteries or ways to generate electricity in large amounts.

Without all of these other innovations in how to use and store electricity, all of your grand dreams involving it are basically not possible.
 
Hmm just noticed that greenshore finished aqueducts. Any chance they're shooting for true city status?
 
But aside from that yes I would pay actual money to see Gwygo vs Gil. The dialogue would be pure gold and diamonds.
>Gil

>Money Puns for days


In any case, even if disagree with the western trade post, the northern trade post is pure foolishness, which would bind our resources there for several turns and that for a meagre result at best.
No more than the western Trading Post. As for the North binding our resources what are you talking about?

The only thing that says we have to waste resources is veekie's fearmongering by exaggerating what AN said. AN said that we would be required to send the Red Banner Mercenaries along with them. Not a big deal since they are not the bulk of our forces, especially since we would not be building the Western Trading Post and thus not need them there.

The meagre results, as you put it, are better boat building materials to be able to build on a larger scale. Pretty important if we want to ensure naval superiority.
 
I like electricity as much as the next guy, but maybe not as much as you.

The problem with electricity is that it's essentially useless on its own. If we discover that things can conduct electricity, that doesn't necessarily mean that we'll discover lightbulbs or self-moving things powered by electricity or anything, nor will we necessarily discover batteries or ways to generate electricity in large amounts.

Without all of these other innovations in how to use and store electricity, all of your grand dreams involving it are basically not possible.

Well, the Ymaryn already have a strong mill building tradition. If we can hook up a mill to a copper coil we'd be able to generate quite a bit of electricity.

 
Chance of discovering electricity: moderate

Chance of discovering useful electricity: near zero without a nat-100 Golden Age roll in a 5x Golden age. Mind, we're gonna get half of that pretty soon as long as we can keep the Baby Boom rolling.
Hmm just noticed that greenshore finished aqueducts. Any chance they're shooting for true city status?
We already know they are, because they're not allowed to expand and they need the econ slots.
edit: They might not be done. They were at 4/8 before, and while they used their Mills innovation to improve the Aqueduct it might not have been 4 progress worth.
 
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Lastly, is it the actual taiga or the forest belts to the south of it?
This is what I'm expecting. More Montane Forest than actual taiga. If all of Northern Europe is basically shifted south by something like 10 degrees latitude, most of those forests would be warmer and wetter. Thus, Montane Forests found primarily in the Alps, Cascades, and Rockies.
 
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