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[X] [Main] New Trails
[X] [Main] New Trails x2
[X] [Secondary] Expand Forests
[X] [Policy] Offensive
[X] [RB] West, through the hills
[X] [Wonder] Library
-[X] [Wonder] Valleyhome
 
Honestly, we probably want to start/finish building a Temple at the Dragon Bone site before the Stallion Tribe can finish it up entirely themselves. Not this turn though.

Starting Integration ASAP is probably necessary though.

I know people hope the Palace will just solve the problem but I don't think it works that way.
 
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Next turn I think we need to integrate the stallions, no matter what. They're getting more and more powerful with lots of industry, we should bring them in. Heck I'd probably take it as a mid-turn option if it's available.

I'm thinking for next turn (assuming we force the Highlanders to peace):
[Main] Integrate March - Stallion Tribes
[Secondary] Change Policy - Expansion
[Secondary] Enforce Justice

This will trigger likely trigger our next admin advancement. It sucks that we won't have the Palace and/or census for that transition, but we need the econ and all the related things even more. The Lowlands are open, and as has been mentioned repeatedly, someone actually holding the lowlands will be in an amazing position. We now have a golden opportunity to do so, for the next 2-6 turns we will be the only ones able to take it. The Palace will take ~3-4 turns to get the neccessary stats and actions in, we can't afford to wait that long.

This will also significantly raise our stat caps, which will help reduce the sheer amount of yoyoing we've been doing due to our disproportionate power for our size.

Obviously there's lots of chances of things going wrong in the mid-turn, but integration is almost non-negotiable IMHO (heck we might even want to do it in the mid-turn if it's available.)

Potato and Chip said:
@Academia Nut will integrating the Stallions increase our centralization and hierarchy?
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-1 Centralization from the new province.
 
[X] [Main] New Trails
[X] [Main] New Trails x2
[X] [Secondary] Expand Forests
[X] [Policy] Offensive

[X] [RB] West, through the hills

[X] [Wonder] Library
-[X] [Wonder] Valleyhome

Susano said:
Having the RB go from the west, through the hills is a bad ideas! The Highlander held out against the Xoh/Thunder Empire because of their fortifications! So we don't want to cross mountain passes into their territory!
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Except a) we are the premier fortification breakers right now, b) that the Red Banner is exactly made for fighting in hilly terrain c) the HK held against the Xoh from the East d) the Xoh didn't have iron and a professional army like the Red Banner- because the Red Banner is absolutely fucking crazy right now.

One thing I'd actually like to see about doing in the not so near future is transitioning away from Marches to primarily utilizing professional mercenary armies to hold our borders. More flexibility, more professionalism, less capable of serving as fault lines for realm divide (they depend on the actual civ after all), better force projection, etc. It'll cost a fair amount of Wealth, but we have quite a bit of Wealth generation when trade picks back up and we only have one Merc Company right now considering the HH became a March.

Besides, the idea of transitioning from vassal border lords to self-contained professional armies that answer directly to the central state would definitely be a step towards a more advanced military and has a certain narrative appeal. Normally I'd be a bit skeptical of this, but Symphony, Justice, and Honorable Death as cultural values all help ensure the loyalty of these armies.
 
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1. Yes because just having romantic feelings for someone makes it so much easier to cope when they get carried off to be raped :V.
2. Lol at your lack of argument here.
Seriously dude where's the counter argument aside from saying 'lol' and repeating the basics of my argument?
3. He only started mass killing his rivals when he started to become obsessed with Crow and he only started to majorly fuck up the tribe when he continued that obsession
4. Yeah and you didn't even mention how Crow did exactly the same thing and then Mytah helped try and destroy the entire tribe including the innocent Pre-Ymaryn instead of just Ash! Isn't it awesome when people leave out crucial details like that.
5. And then she somehow made it even worse....
Yeah totally innocent and justified when a woman makes a serial killer kill even more people on purpose because she wants him to die
6. Not denying that, just saying that Crow and his daughter were just as bad as Ash and they shouldn't be treated as different or excused for their actions like certain people tried to do
7. Except Mytah explicitly made him worse on purpose to try and destroy the Pre-Ymaryn so they were technically not just his own
9. I don't like Raider! Crow, I do however love God! Crow, he is the greatest thing ever and I even wrote my first omake about him, literally he is the best god I have seen in mythology ever and I absolutely adore him.
But yeah Ash was an arsehole, but a great deal of his issues can be traced back to Crow and his daughter isn't exactly blameless. You say you're not making excuses yet that's all your doing at the moment, trying to say a woman who purposely tried to cause as much damage as possible to our early civ and targeted innocents just because of one man is justified or innocent.
Y'know what, my grandparents were victims of the holocaust, I'm going to go try and destroy Germany and kill as many innocent people as possible whilst I do it!
Apparently that's justified....
 
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    • Kiba said:
    Is anyone working on a negaverse omake?
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    A screech tore out of someone's throat.

    Slowly, the players leaned back from their computer screens to look around. On one particular screen was a large chunk of red letters. CIVILIZATION CRUSHED. A single moment of silence served as a monument to the small death cries emanating from a pair of headphones. Sharp cackling broke it abruptly. The entire room was soon filled with thigh slapping and high pitched confusion.

    "What the fuck was that? What the fuck! What the fuuuck." The Xoh player groaned. Her hands were slapped askew over her eyes. The way she slumped over in her chair was the picture of defeat.

    "That's what you get for try to be the Aztecs!" The Thunder Speaker's player shouted while clapping.

    "I warned you, I told you that those crazy feathered shits had iron, I told you all!" The right most player's monitor betrayed him as a previously killed off civ. "They took all my shit with three damn heroes. The damn AI!" He started wheezing.

    "How the... I thought the Ymmies were supposed to be nice and they cured evil diarrhea-"

    "BABY KILLERS AND PEOPLE MUTILATERS WORST SMELL REMOVED XOH BEST DAY OF MY LIIIIIFE"

    "F-ffffuck you my culture was beautiful and my people were amazing! Fucking parasitic shits, I gave them my life's damn work while they shat in hills sucking up Econ mohherfuijikvclb;n WRGGGGAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHhhh flip my fuckin tables!"

    "Oh em gee. They have a Nomad as their King. I'm looking up the wiki now but the only thing they could have done was shrek you, rip."

    "I want to back out of this war now. But I am having too much fun."
     
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    • drake_azathoth said:
    Honestly, we probably want to start/finish building a Temple at the Dragon Bone site before the Stallion Tribe can finish it up entirely themselves. Not this turn though.

    Starting Integration ASAP is probably necessary though.

    I know people hope the Palace will just solve the problem but I don't think it works that way.
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    Palace is to fix admin overload. We need to fix that before we can integrate anyone, or expand.
     
    Academia Nut said:
    Xohyr sacked! Xohyr burned out, city site remains viable for resettlement
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    Omegahugger said:
    Oh well, we'll put your anatomical knowledge to good use~<3
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    We burned the inner city. Where they usually keep the important stuff, like books and priests that kow things.
    SpeckofStardust said:
    crap we forgot to salt the ground they lived on dammit. :V
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    The thread shall provide, then.
     
    I mean, I recall a lot of people supporting the idea of the Ymaryn waging short, brutal wars whenever they wage them, which is what Ork King did.

    Soooo congrats to him?
     
    McLuvin said:
    It's the morals of the matter, they start attacking us, we destroy them for it, they then cause massive civil strife, we forgive them for it, so then they subvert our people's ruling and warrior classes...
    We have the trait eye for an eye but where the bloody justice in that series of event?
    We spare her ungrateful life so she chooses the vicious raiders who kidnapped and raped her mother....
    Sooooo not a bitch.
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    Look back and found this.

    Mmmm boi. Okay then.
     
    notgreat said:
    Next turn I think we need to integrate the stallions, no matter what. They're getting more and more powerful with lots of industry, we should bring them in. Heck I'd probably take it as a mid-turn option if it's available.

    I'm thinking for next turn (assuming we force the Highlanders to peace):
    [Main] Integrate March - Stallion Tribes
    [Secondary] Change Policy - Expansion
    [Secondary] Enforce Justice

    This will trigger likely trigger our next admin advancement. It sucks that we won't have the Palace and/or census for that transition, but we need the econ and all the related things even more. The Lowlands are open, and as has been mentioned repeatedly, someone actually holding the lowlands will be in an amazing position. We now have a golden opportunity to do so, for the next 2-6 turns we will be the only ones able to take it. The Palace will take ~3-4 turns to get the neccessary stats and actions in, we can't afford to wait that long.
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    The last time a new province was brought up the Admin Advisor's analysis was that we would probably explode. We need the Palace before we can do any expansion, potentially even before we can integrate the Stallions.
     
    So I've been thinking on how the palace could help with our problem, and I have a solution!

    It is well known that the best rulers learn at the feet of other rulers. If we have the palace, a place dedicated towards government, take in the children of various oligarchy families, then they will get the best education possible and have the best chance at becoming the next king! Even if they don't, then they'll at least have the ability to go home and manage things even better.

    The fact that this basically gives us hostages against opposing families and puts our culture and beliefs into the ruling class's minds when they return home is a complete coincidence, I swear.
     
    Candesce said:
    You keep on advocating this, and it keeps on being a bad idea. We have not fixed our admin overload yet.

    Probably we leave them on Offense, unless we're lucky about how the war with the Highlanders goes. If we are lucky, we should go with Balanced.
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    Academia Nut said:
    Advisor: Many more provinces are likely to strain our capacity to manage them all, but we've been noticing that the strain seems to be growing faster than it should. We can increase their independence, but that may just be a temporary patch, since increasing their independence is likely to make them harder to manage long term as they flex their muscles. Low confidence in government will make this worse.

    OOC: You're on the verge of admin improvement which will begin giving you information if certain actions can shift your high or low end Centralization tolerance, but you're not there yet.
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    With the double-main roads this turn solving our primary divergence admin problem, we're in a good position to do the expansion.

    It's not an amazing position, but this is a time-limited opportunity due to the disaster. Waiting until we fully fix the problems will lead to the opportunity likely closing. This will likely force us to reform our government system once again, but that's fine.

    Mind, I'm not gonna push for Policy:Expansion hard. The integration is necessary, the further expansion would be nice but we have a lot of nice actions. We almost certainly will need to do something to fix our Stability problem, and Enforce Justice is still an amazingly efficient action.

    Balanced is pretty reasonable too.
    edit: Also we'll be doing at least a double-main against them with Policy:Offensive. With the hero seemingly still around for the start of the attack and our new siege tech, I'll be surprised if they don't give up pretty quickly since they're still taking full damage from the crisis.
    Glassware said:
    The last time a new province was brought up the Admin Advisor's analysis was that we would probably explode. We need the Palace before we can do any expansion, potentially even before we can integrate the Stallions.
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    Read the quote above- strain, not explode. And with the new trails, we can likely instead trigger an admin improvement.
     
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    That was a very satisfactory turn I feel we definitely had a good plan and some good rolls, well done everyone.

    Also we might want to start integrating our marches and vassals.
     
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