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Adhoc vote count started by gutza1 on Jul 3, 2017 at 8:25 AM, finished with 67069 posts and 90 votes.
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Adhoc vote count started by gutza1 on Jul 3, 2017 at 8:55 AM, finished with 67091 posts and 92 votes.
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[X] [War] Withdraw main forces to defend Redhills, leave vassals and Red Banner
[X] [Boat] New design: Seaworthiness
[X] [Mill] Greater permission (-3 Wealth, -1 Art, -2 Centralization, +3 Econ, increased potential for innovation)
[X] [WC] Lesser assistance (-2 Art, -1 Centralization, Stallions pleased, ???)
[X] [Main] Sacred Forest Renewal Completion (-2 Econ, -2 Mysticism, -1 Art)
[X] [Refugee] They accepted all who came (Chance of stability loss, +2 Econ)
 
I really wonder what it will take for us to make peace with the Xohyssiri again. Our King doesn't strike me as someone who will initiate peace talks. If we are lucky the Xoh will be open to just make peace with us, once we pull back from their capital, and focus on the swamp people. But, we could also end up with our King resisting peace for so long that the Xoh get their shit together. Then once our Martial hero dies they could feel emboldened to take back their vassals...
As long as we are at war going for 2x [Main] New trails will be at the risk of a cascade failure due to Lord's Loyalty -> Divine Stewards...
 
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Kiba said:
Coordinating between two armies on the opposite side of the lowland seems unlikely. They likely to agree to start attacking on a date, but it is unlikely that they will be able to work together effectively.



She ran an information network. Probably have a list of contact from whom she could talk to further information.



The king is great at warfare and battles, but he has poor strategic sense.
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The man organised a campaign stretching from Valleyhome to Xohyssiri, he organised warfare on the bulk of mesopotamia, he knew how to hit the Xoh where it hurts and keep them on thier back legs, he's organised our monstrous supply train despite not looting aka living off the land (which is bloody miraculous, seeing as it took the invention of the steam train to make a practical alternative to living off the land) . And seeing as we have zero evidence of martial stat not including strategic as well as tactical capacity, we can by no means say he's poor at strategy. He's at the very least extremely capable strategy wise, probably genius though duo to supply arrangements alone.
 
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Now that I think about it, @Academia Nut
How exactly are we feeding and restocking our troops without looting the land, or at least all the food of the land?

I mean this is something that technology could only address in the 19th century. And historical solutions where either tied to navigable waters or massive amounts of silver being carried by the army. Or convincing the locals it's in thier best interest to give up all the food and they will totally be compensated later... .
 
Reader of all said:
The thing is we have yeoman's manning the defenses of red hills and with our econ which should be at 8 martial if we win plus Phygriff is not a fool he should have left reserves here just in case someone will attack and from the sound of it the king has the xoh on the ropes and should be finishing up soon I am still waiting on AN's reply on our war chief's assessment.
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I don't think we will get any answer from the advisers...
@Academia Nut Can we get our advisers to chime in?
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Academia Nut said:
In this case, no. This vote is a combination of the actions of an individual who does not have all the facts, and the efforts of everyone else as the king has kind of left them to their own devices to a large extent.
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maximillian said:
Now that I think about it, @Academia Nut
How exactly are we feeding and restocking our troops without looting the land, or at least all the food of the land?

I mean this is something that technology could only address in the 19th century. And historical solutions where either tied to navigable waters or massive amounts of silver being carried by the army. Or convincing the locals it's in thier best interest to give up all the food and they will totally be compensated later... .
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The vassals give tributes.
 
maximillian said:
The man organised a campaign stretching from Valleyhome to Xohyssiri, he organised warfare on the bulk of mesopotamia, he knew how to hit the Xoh where it hurts and keep them on thier back legs, he's organised our monstrous supply train despite not looting aka living off the land (which is bloody miraculous, seeing as it took the invention of the train to make a practical alternative to living off the land) . And seeing as we have zero evidence of martial stat not including strategic as well as tactical capacity, we can by no means say he's poor at strategy. He's at the very least extremely capable strategy wise, probably genius though duo to supply arrangements alone.
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"Amateurs talk about tactics, but professionals study logistics."
- Gen. Robert H. Barrow, USMC (Commandant of the Marine Corps) noted in 1980
 
Spacegnom said:
I really wonder what it will take for us to make peace with the Xohyssiri again. Our King doesn't strike me as someone who will initiate peace talks. If we are lucky the Xoh will be open to just make peace with us, once we pull back from their capital, and focus on the swamp people. But, we could also end up with our King resisting peace for so long that the Xoh get their shit together. Then once our Martial hero dies they could feel emboldened to take back their vassals...
As long as we are at war going for 2x [Main] New trails will be at the risk of a cascade failure due to Lord's Loyalty -> Divine Stewards...
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With their traits the Xoh do not make peace unless they are broken.
 
Kiba said:
The vassals give tributes.
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How is the food getting there though? Any pre industrial supply train consumed around a third to half of the supply it carried before arrival. Discounting spoilage and disease and accidents. And armies consume staggering amounts of food the supply train would need to be monstrously large to feed a campaign. Which makes it suicidal in war to actually have that. And how are the vassals managing to feed our armies without starving themselves? There agricultural output needs to be equal to our own to manage that, which is damn unlikely.
 
maximillian said:
How is the food getting there though? Any pre industrial supply train consumed around a third to half of the supply it carried before arrival. Discounting spoilage and disease and accidents. And armies consume staggering amounts of food the supply train would need to be monstrously large to feed a campaign. Which makes it suicidal in war to actually have that. And how are the vassals managing to feed our armies without starving themselves? There agricultural output needs to be equal to our own to manage that, which is damn unlikely.
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Well this is the hyper fertile lowlands. It takes a lot less skill to get good fertility out of flood Plains then out of hills.
 
maximillian said:
How is the food getting there though? Any pre industrial supply train consumed around a third to half of the supply it carried before arrival. Discounting spoilage and disease and accidents. And armies consume staggering amounts of food the supply train would need to be monstrously large to feed a campaign. Which makes it suicidal in war to actually have that. And how are the vassals managing to feed our armies without starving themselves? There agricultural output needs to be equal to our own to manage that, which is damn unlikely.
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@Academia Nut are we using the rivers in the lowlands as our supply trains?
 
pblur said:
Well this is the hyper fertile lowlands. It takes a lot less skill to get good fertility out of flood Plains then out of hills.
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Thyre tiny polities thought, and long lasting warfare of of conquests changing hands has stunted thier development. If they produced enough food to equal us, the lowlanders would have beaten us by sheer raw numbers.
 
[X] [War] Withdraw main forces to defend Redhills, leave vassals and Red Banner
[X] [Boat] New design: Seaworthiness
[X] [Mill] Greater permission (-3 Wealth, -1 Art, -2 Centralization, +3 Econ, increased potential for innovation)
[X] [WC] Lesser assistance (-2 Art, -1 Centralization, Stallions pleased, ???)
[X] [Main] Sacred Forest Renewal Completion (-2 Econ, -2 Mysticism, -1 Art)
[X] [Refugee] They accepted all who came (Chance of stability loss, +2 Econ)
 
I guess there is an argument to be made for leaving all the troops with the king, simply so that if Valleyhome explodes, he's in a good position to expand the lowlands vassal into the Ymaryn 2.0.
 
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