Paths of Civilization
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Oh, I understand the reasoning.
Just drawing to the attention that almost nobody has been arguing for it while the other two position have gotten pages worth of discussion... and make war carts is continually cementing it's lead:lol
hmm, I haven't been arguing that at all. I guess I was just assuming people were talking about Social Strife rather than Centralization then.
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
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To be honest I was assuming that to, I guess I jumped in to late? Losing Centralization doesn't matter if its only 1 maybe even 2
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Well, if it turned out that we could prevent PS from triggering then we wouldn't lose centralization.
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Actually you really do have a very salient point with the no-Fun workaholics. While on the surface it might look like a good thing it can become a huge almost existenial problem. Being productive is good and all but when your people are so stressed and spend so much time on work that it starts impacting the act of reproduction you start to have problems. And before anyone mentions how that's not a real problem I think Japan has something to say about that.
Also what did you think of my analyse of the Spirtual,Martial,Social bonuses a couple of pages back?
Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
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You also wouldn't pick up a free point of economy.Well, if it turned out that we could prevent PS from triggering then we wouldn't lose centralization.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
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That depends on if our people are actually that work-focused, in the sense that they live away from their partners, rather than being dour workaholics - i.e. German.
Edit: @Powerofmind Pomegranate-san.. it's a free point of econ back up from the decrease in econ. Aka we gain nothing, as I understand it.
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Actually, since we would trigger PS if we rolled bad on the malus, we would still get the extra point of econ at the cost of centralization.
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Given that we have chosen very few cultural actions that didn't focus on economic matters and therefore work. I would say having a festival is just what the doctor ordered.
Edit: also even Germans aren't as much of workaholics as the people are. Atleast they have festivals involving stuff like Liquor.
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Umi-san
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I 100% agree that having a festival is just what would make us even more German.
(And Japanese. Note just how damn many festivals Japan has where their businesses pretty much close down.)
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VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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I would say your hypothesis is very well thought out and plausible. Voting for martial tho, as we have not unlocked any martial values.
"Free" point is not exactly correct, in layman's saying "free things are the most expansive."
zamin
The Watcher in the Dark
It's turning into another stupid "War Carts VS Step-Farms" debate, so I honestly just skip all the arguments because I'm not interested in seeing page after page of salt and "AN! He's being MEAN and doesn't want to listen! Tell me my argument is the right one!"
Honestly, I'm kind of torn. All the options looks good, so it's really hard to decide. That said, I believe that we can gain more spiritual traits from building holy sites and we can get more social traits from doing social programs. However, the only way I can think of to get martial traits is from actually fighting, so we should probably grab one now before we get into another war.
As for the Festival thing, I don't mind us being workaholics, but having a way to blow of steam would make our people happier. It might also upgrade our entertainers, which would boost art and culture.
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You Spirit, Martial, and Social makes sense, but I also feel that the martial culture will give our warriors a better ability to fight because of their more centered role in our society.
For example, if they see themselves as justice bringers and keepers of order, than they'd be more dedicated to fighting not just because it rights past wrongs, but endeavors to prevent future wrongs being committed by our enemies and the loss of our lands.
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
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Well lets be honest with our selves, if by some miracle the QM confirms that your argument and option is better you Win legit.
Actually its not much a problem as while people would have less time fooling around we as a culture actually allow casual flings and the like as evidenced in the past because our food is such that we can readily afford it and while we demand everyone work together the communal nature of our culture and the Harmony trait means that every single person get the amount of food that they usually need, not less and not more, leading to more food overall.
Really the only reason we probably aren't under a constant population boom is because our people are disciplined enough to know when they have no room and our organization is such that we actively plan for things, including births.
That would probably be fixed once we make a new settlement.
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Thanks. Now to let every decide which one is more important. Setting up an early law system(reliable system to create stability and social changes) or, creation of a warrior culture and codes(Massive martial Boost and do I mean massive) or, Spiritual practices of spiritual purity(Early sanitation IE the path to drown everyone in bodies)
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:/
That sort of implies that the decision didn't matter and I like to think it did or we wouldn't have the option to continue to build more war carts now.
Also I think the argument has gotten better. No one has been doing what you've implied in this argument.
Umi-san
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AN basically said that the war wagons are helpful but not that great now that we're fighting on hillier ground than before. If we'd magically known we'd develop recurve bows, recruit more people probably would have been the better choice, maybe.
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Plus look on the bright side. Their infighting has allowed me to step into the light and supplant them as I spread my ideas.*Cough* Nice weather isn't it?
Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
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They were helpful, they were just late to the party. As time wears on in these war turns, more will be finished over time. One of the options is literally to hang back and try to double-down on finishing them so we can do a late sortie.
Powerofmind
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Art and culture are the early personal and societal drives to use, manipulate, or otherwise discover new materials and practices. There is no scientific drive to perform tests and improve; the drive comes from a need to create unique art, or in using cultural values to justify safe or healthy practices without knowing the underlying reasons why.
Umi-san
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Culture = Art + Mysticism
Art: We take basically worthless materials, apply manpower, and get salable, high-value goods. Also leads to alternate routes to power and critiques of power later on.
Mysticism: We have stronger resistant to other peoples' strains of mysticism, so our culture is harder to fracture internally. Also leads to science later on.
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Writing, Trade goods, further experimentation with alternate materials like gold will lead to further tech advances like blacksmithing,