Why would slaanesh hate our music?
I don't think we even have complex instruments.
We haven't done enough Art Patronage to get proper musicians.
Jimi Hendrix would weep.
Our music tech, in the Bronze age is "oh, those guys? they do it for a hobby". You need Festivals for that and we hadn't really been big on festivals ever since we ran out of slots. We've never Mained Festivals back when we DID have slots.
| Trade Mission [Se] | More Boats [Se] | Trade Mission [M] | Build Docks [Se] | More Boats [M] | New Trails [M] | |
| Diplomacy | 1 | 1 | 1.2 | 1.5 | 2 | 4.5 |
| Black Soil [Se] | More Boats [Se] | New Settlement [M/Se] | |
| LTE | 0.5 | 0.5 | 0.142 |
| Chariots [M/Se] | Warriors [Se] | Warriors [M] | Blackbirds/Carrion Eaters [Se/M] | |
| Martial | 1 | 1.5 | 1.33 | 1.5 |
| Glassworks [Se] | Vineyard [Se] | Vineyard [M] | Snails [Se] | Snails [M] | |
| Wealth | 2.5 | 1 | 1.142 | 1.5 | 2.0 |
| EJ [Se] | EJ [M] | Festival [M] | Festival [2M] | PG [M] | RoO [Se] | RoO [M] | |
| Stability | 4 | 4.33 | 3.5 | 5 | 0.75/2.75 | 3 | 2.78 |
| Proclaim Glory [Se] | Proclaim Glory [M] | |
| Legitimacy | 2 | 2 |
| Distribute Land [Se] | Distribute Land [M] | |
| Centralization | -2 | -2.5 |
| Temple Extended Project | |
| Religious Authority | 6 |
| Art Patronage [Se] | Art Patronage [M] | Glassworks [Se] | Glassworks [M] | |
| Art | 1 | 0.5 | 2 | 1.25 |
| Study Health/Metal [M] | Study Stars [Se] | |
| Mysticism | 3.5 | 1 |
| Art Patronage [M] | |
| Prestige | 2.5 |
| Expand Forest [Se] | Expand Forest [M] | |
| Charcoal | 1.5 | 2 |
And Khorne would be going: NO! MORE XENOPHOBIA!
Well, good news on that point; Restoration Policy should fix this right up.
Um the formatting has done fucked itself.Veekie's post made me realize that just the 'optimal' actions isn't enough. We're also interested in just how efficient different non-optimal moves are, stat-wise. In that case, for Diplo, Main Trails is incredibly inefficient, while More Docks is almost as good as Trade Missions.
So... Here we go for each stat (except Econ); I'm only doing the 'without making new settlements' case because this is plenty of work to do once.
General
Trade Mission [Se] Trade Mission [M] Build Docks [Se] New Trails [M] Diplomacy 1 1.2 1.5 4.5
Black Soil [Se] More Boats [Se] New Settlement [M/Se] LTE 0.5 0.5 0.142
Chariots [M/Se] Warriors [Se] Warriors [M] Blackbirds/Carrion Eaters [Se] Blackbirds/Carrion Eaters [M] Martial 1 1.5 1.33 2.5 2
Glassworks [Se] Vineyard [Se] Vineyard [M] Snails Snails [M] Wealth 1 1 1.142 1.5 2.0
Stability
EJ [Se] EJ [M] Festival [M] Festival [2M] PG [M] RoO [Se] RoO [M] Stability 4 4.33 3.5 5 2.75 3 2.78
Proclaim Glory [Se] Proclaim Glory [M] Legitimacy 2 2 Organizational
Distribute Land [Se] Distribute Land [M] Centralization -2 -2.5
Temple Extended Project Religious Authority 6 Cultural
Art Patronage [Se] Art Patronage [M] Glassworks [Se] Glassworks [M] Art 1 0.5 0.5 1.25
Study Health/Metal [M] Study Stars [Se] Mysticism 3.5 1.2
Art Patronage [M] Prestige 2.5
Okay I get that Tzeentch and Crow are very similar, but who is Slaanesh supposed to be?
I accounted for that. In the 'With settlements' case, there are two values listed, one for when legitimacy is capped, and one for when it isn't. It doesn't affect the 'without settlements' case.
Randomized values are taken to be the expected value with even odds, with the exception of Main RoO (where I account for the double roll) and EJ (where I'm estimating and average of 1-3 = 1.5 and 2-3 = 2.25 due to walls.)
That's the point, Slaanesh is the corrupted form of Fyth, taking her in the strange direction. One thing to remember about Slaanesh is that it is not just about sex-murder-boners but also perfection. And you can consider Fyth the Ymaryn's idealized form of feminine perfection and beauty so it is a suitable representation.
Yeesh. The forum eats
[S]Ah, perfect, it's fixed now. Thank you for making it!Veekie's post made me realize that just the 'optimal' actions isn't enough. We're also interested in just how efficient different non-optimal moves are, stat-wise. In that case, for Diplo, Main Trails is incredibly inefficient, while More Docks is almost as good as Trade Missions.
So... Here we go for each stat (except Econ); I'm only doing the 'without making new settlements' case because this is plenty of work to do once.
General
Trade Mission [Se] Trade Mission [M] Build Docks [Se] New Trails [M] Diplomacy 1 1.2 1.5 4.5
Black Soil [Se] More Boats [Se] New Settlement [M/Se] LTE 0.5 0.5 0.142
Chariots [M/Se] Warriors [Se] Warriors [M] Blackbirds/Carrion Eaters [Se] Blackbirds/Carrion Eaters [M] Martial 1 1.5 1.33 2.5 2 Stability
Glassworks [Se] Vineyard [Se] Vineyard [M] Snails [Se] Snails [M] Wealth 1 1 1.142 1.5 2.0
EJ [Se] EJ [M] Festival [M] Festival [2M] PG [M] RoO [Se] RoO [M] Stability 4 4.33 3.5 5 2.75 3 2.78 Organizational
Proclaim Glory [Se] Proclaim Glory [M] Legitimacy 2 2
Distribute Land [Se] Distribute Land [M] Centralization -2 -2.5 Cultural
Temple Extended Project Religious Authority 6
Art Patronage [Se] Art Patronage [M] Glassworks [Se] Glassworks [M] Art 1 0.5 0.5 1.25
Study Health/Metal [M] Study Stars [Se] Mysticism 3.5 1.2
Art Patronage [M] Prestige 2.5
I could see a link between Slaneesh and Gwy/Goya. At the very least I think Slaneesh would approve of them and Gwygoytha.
I mean breaking a man's pelvis during coitus(which I didn't know could be a thing)? Slaanesh is aaalllll over that.
Yes please @Therealtahu . Though I'm definitely hoping for a double check from the mechanics giants (@Abby Normal , @notgreat and @bluefur87 I'm looking at you...
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Yep! I actually made a diagram to help keep track:
Just follow the arrows - and in case of stuff flowing out of the middle complex, go in increasing order (0, then 1, then 2, then 3).
Another note, it seems like our action spread is shifting from things that solely spend a lot of Econ, to things that spend a good chunk of Econ and a good chunk of Wealth. If we could get a Wealth refund going then that may well cause our overflow generator to go nuts since so many actions only cost 1 Wealth so stuff going into Wealth just feed overflow.
Uhhh... I forgot temple refund in this.
It does raise some interesting parallels, Slaanesh is a dark mirror of Fyth and Tzeentch is a dark mirror of Crow, Crow being a manipulative schemer for reasons which are beneficial to the whole world and can be understood, they have a purpose, meanwhile Tzeentch schemes for the hell of it and to cause as much chaos as possible
Oh Crow you poor thing.Uhhh... I forgot temple refund in this.
BRB, recalculating everything.
