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BlueFlamingWings said:
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As always I'm impressed by the depth of the Tolkien universe.
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pbluekan said:
It's pretty much the definition of a Magnum Opus. Also Tolkien was a genius of the highest order.
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Really, Tolkien sets you up to be disappointed by like. every other fantasy writer.
Worldbuilding Georg, who lives in Britain and creates 50 well-developed fictional universes every day, is statistical outlier adn should not hav been counted.
 
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[X] [Main] More Blackbirds
[X] [Secondary] War Mission - Northern Nomads
[X] [Secondary] War Mission - Northern Nomads x2
 
Alectai said:
ANOTHER fucking Martial Hero?

And every time one goes by, they get another Legacy that makes them more dangerous down the line. Ughhhh
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They don't come swinging at us unless they have a Hero. It's confirmation bias in action. We don't give a shit about them any more unless they do have a Hero.
 
Alectai said:
ANOTHER fucking Martial Hero?

And every time one goes by, they get another Legacy that makes them more dangerous down the line. Ughhhh
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Honestly, that's not the part that irritates me. Have we literally ever fought a war where our enemies didn't crit against us? It to happen all the bloody time. It's getting more than a touch old.
 
Hangwind said:
Honestly, that's not the part that irritates me. Have we literally ever fought a war where our enemies didn't crit against us? It to happen all the bloody time. It's getting more than a touch old.
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That one time where we crit failed, the enemy didn't crit against us...
Everyone on our side but our hero died >.>
 
Hangwind said:
Honestly, that's not the part that irritates me. Have we literally ever fought a war where our enemies didn't crit against us? It to happen all the bloody time. It's getting more than a touch old.
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As I said, I'm pretty sure Heroes end up moving the standard deviations of a die roll over to the "More likely to critically succeed" field, and impossible to critically fail. Every single time a Hero shows up and starts bothering us, we start getting critted in the face consistently, and every time a Hero shows up on our side, we start making massive gains.

The only problem is that we almost never get Martial Heroes--admittedly, this is because we don't go on wars of aggression, so while we're fairly strong and hard to dislodge from our home territories, we don't get those martial supergeniuses cropping up like groups that are always at war with each other do. Instead, we get Admin and Diplo Heroes to fit our playing style.
 
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To be honest, with the Ymaryn, we get more benefit from an Admin/Diplo Hero. Even with the dual-hero nomad face-stomp, they never penetrated into our core lands.
 
Godwinson said:
To be honest, with the Ymaryn, we get more benefit from an Admin/Diplo Hero. Even with the dual-hero nomad face-stomp, they never penetrated into our core lands.
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They did actually, they threw something like 80% of their forces in a decisive battle and then bypassed our Marches with the remainder to raid our actual territory.

Like I said, I think the reason the dice results were so weird there is because the Nomads were militarily wiped out, possibly being dragged into negative martial, but their Heroes basically dragged their result over to "Penetrated Marches, sacked home territories and got away clean"

Basically, when Alexander the Great and Atilla the Hun become superfriends, you can create victory even when you don't have more than maybe your personal retinue left over.
 
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Alectai said:
They did actually, they threw something like 80% of their forces in a decisive battle and then bypassed our Marches with the remainder to raid our actual territory.

Like I said, I think the reason the dice results were so weird there is because the Nomads were militarily wiped out, but their Heroes basically dragged their result over to "Penetrated Marches, sacked home territories and got away clean"
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Actually they didn't, I mean they hit our directly controlled land, because the core lands hes mentioning is not the "core" provinces of the far north (tho still south of the march) which are far less rich compared to our southern provinces and our capital.
 
Alectai said:
They did actually, they threw something like 80% of their forces in a decisive battle and then bypassed our Marches with the remainder to raid our actual territory.

Like I said, I think the reason the dice results were so weird there is because the Nomads were militarily wiped out, possibly being dragged into negative martial, but their Heroes basically dragged their result over to "Penetrated Marches, sacked home territories and got away clean"

Basically, when Alexander the Great and Atilla the Hun become superfriends, you can create victory even when you don't have more than maybe your personal retinue left over.
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They got into lands we'd only just recently added, I'd thought?
 
DocMatoi said:
I take significant issue with this- the Middle East was doing fantastic until the pope needed a way to measure the Catholic Nobility's dicks. and even AFTER the crusades, it was doing pretty good until it became one of the sites of the Great 20th Century Dick Measuring Contest.
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Not really.

Fantastic for certain periods. Relatively short ones. It's been a hotbed of religious strife for thousands of years.

Also, the Golden Age of Islam wasn't exactly a utopia either. The Caliphs were warlords. They killed other sects of islam. They also killed Jews and christians too.

Jews killing people, Persians killing Jews, Jews killing more people, romans killing lots of Jews, romans evicting Jews, christians killing romans, muslims killing byzantines, christians killing muslims, muslims killing Jews and christians and everyone else, repeat these last two for a while, British and French and Dutch claiming land, Jews and muslims killing brits and French and Dutch, brits evicting Jews again, Jews come back and everyone kills everyone, America kills muslims, Muslims kill Americans.

The Middle East has a very long, very bloody history of religious strife.
 
Alectai said:
They did actually, they threw something like 80% of their forces in a decisive battle and then bypassed our Marches with the remainder to raid our actual territory.

Like I said, I think the reason the dice results were so weird there is because the Nomads were militarily wiped out, possibly being dragged into negative martial, but their Heroes basically dragged their result over to "Penetrated Marches, sacked home territories and got away clean"

Basically, when Alexander the Great and Atilla the Hun become superfriends, you can create victory even when you don't have more than maybe your personal retinue left over.
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"clean"

also, I consider our core lands to be lands 2 layers in, e.g sacred forest
 
pbluekan said:
Not really.

Fantastic for certain periods. Relatively short ones. It's been a hotbed of religious strife for thousands of years.

Also, the Golden Age of Islam wasn't exactly a utopia either. The Caliphs were warlords. They killed other sects of islam. They also killed Jews and christians too.

Jews killing people, Persians killing Jews, Jews killing more people, romans killing lots of Jews, romans evicting Jews, christians killing romans, muslims killing byzantines, christians killing muslims, muslims killing Jews and christians and everyone else, repeat these last two for a while, British and French and Dutch claiming land, Jews and muslims killing brits and French and Dutch, brits evicting Jews again, Jews come back and everyone kills everyone, America kills muslims, Muslims kill Americans.

The Middle East has a very long, very bloody history of religious strife.
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let's... not
 
[X] [Main] More Blackbirds
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'Ere we go, 'ere we go. Waaaaaaagh
 
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