No, that's been discussed like 3 times already. The [Main] is being paid for by the provinces as long as we spend at most 1 econ (They might not do it if we spend 2 econ due to QoiO. Uncertain.)
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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This means we can't change the policy and not commit an action to the Library.
We can let the provinces complete it and still have our actions free (besides the war mission).
- Location
- Philippines
Why tgis rather than more chariots we were told that the problem is the nomad's mobility so we need more chariot archers
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
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- ꙮ
Symphony. Free action; overflow bonus.
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ThrawnCA
Carbon-based biped
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- Australia
If it were coming from the top, sure.
But we vacuum up refugees, who aren't so fussy; they just want food and safety
. If their native land adopts a similar religion to ours, that probably just reduces the stability shock when they arrive.
True City would be the bigger concern, I'd think. But yeah, we spend 1 econ this turn, tops; not actually a problem.
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We can't exactly afford to spend a lot of econ right now. We have about 6 coming in, but right now we're at 4, True City will consume 1, province actions will consume 1, and we've got to brace for potential losses due to Quality of its Own. Thus, the only reasonable actions are the actions which don't consume econ.
- Location
- United States
@Academia Nut Will a Restoration of Order have a chance to get the guys who slipped away?
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- Hell
Hardly three times, it got discussed once in the last fifteen minutes.
Because he didn't? They now have equal version of chariots. We still have better archers.
The reason why I want more Black Birds is because they are needed as scouts. Just as they helped the Thunder Horse in the Lowlands, they would help us here. Chariots are good as a martial force, but we still need Black Birds for information.
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High Clerk of the Ymaryn
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So important thing to note before getting into stats:
Econ 4 -> 4.
4 - 2 (MW aid) + 2 (refugees)
Econ expansion 7 -> 6
7 - 2 (Refugees) + 1 (MW Aid expenses)
Martial 6 -> 6, no change. (Though i'm not sure if its supposed to be 6 {7} or not, since ithought quality of our own rounded down...)
Fake Edit: AN has clarified what we got on the RoO, so no stab gain from that, no stab hit from refugees.
Edit: New stat, added in a later update to the civ sheet. Religious Authority, which starts out low so even one more temple would be a major boost
Again just the MW aid
Mysticism 9 -> 8
Originally just -2 from the MW aid, but then i noticed a maybe-error from last turn, so AN gave us an extra mysticism point back to err on our side.
Prestige 17 -> 18. From pilgrimage option.
We are now at "Marginal" on glass trading, with the Xoh as the only rival. I'm not sure if they just conveniently got that this turn as well or if they've been trading it without us knowing for some reason?
We are at "Significant" on pilgrimage now.
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Edit: Somehow i missed that it's 0-2 stab, not -1-2...
(Edit: As in last turn entirely, where our hero started the library and changed the province policy, not this latest change in stats)
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So important thing to note before getting into stats:
Not sure if this means the constant refugees from the Hathatyn or if it was from the Metal workers...but @Academia Nut would it be possible to have that made explicit in the update, assuming i'm not just blind and missed it?
Diplo 7 -> 5. As expected from MW aid.
Econ 4 -> 4.
4 - 2 (MW aid) + 2 (refugees)
Econ expansion 7 -> 6
7 - 2 (Refugees) + 1 (MW Aid expenses)
Martial 6 -> 6, no change. (Though i'm not sure if its supposed to be 6 {7} or not, since ithought quality of our own rounded down...)
No change here, so the RoO changes didn't affect the modified use by our last king. Alternately, we got +1 stab from it in addition to teh corruption clearing, but also lost 1 to the unmentioned refugees?
Fake Edit: AN has clarified what we got on the RoO, so no stab gain from that, no stab hit from refugees.
Edit: New stat, added in a later update to the civ sheet. Religious Authority, which starts out low so even one more temple would be a major boost
Art 9 -> 7
Again just the MW aid
Mysticism 9 -> 8
Originally just -2 from the MW aid, but then i noticed a maybe-error from last turn, so AN gave us an extra mysticism point back to err on our side.
Prestige 17 -> 18. From pilgrimage option.
New tech! Woo =D
Hath remain crossed out.
We are now at "Marginal" on glass trading, with the Xoh as the only rival. I'm not sure if they just conveniently got that this turn as well or if they've been trading it without us knowing for some reason?
We are at "Significant" on pilgrimage now.
Sounds like the equivalent of +1 on RoO, instead of +2, alas :/
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Apparently we got the best result! =D
Good advice
Wait...doesn't spoked chariots require iron (or i guess bronze) tools? Do the nomads have metal weapons too, if less than us?
Looks like we do get CB's over trade dominance...and with i think 2 silver mines (AN said outside of the updates that our Hatriver march has one) and the trade post in the MW we're doing rather well on silver...
Secondary dock doesn't provide innovations anymore, just trade power.
New action!
Walls are at 60/30/10, from 50/25/10, all of our civ is at least partially walled now.
Change to spirits policy description.
We've got an extra forest, being used for...the dock? Maybe the galena mine in the Hatriver march? It shouldn't be the iron mine in the ST, since i think AN said they had sufficient charcoal...
No more TP options right now
!!! Major change here. Either from the hero using it, or from the temple. Now can go up to Legit-1 stab...but also costs a legitimacy. Pairs very well with a main proclaim glory afterwards for getting to stab 3.
Edit: Somehow i missed that it's 0-2 stab, not -1-2...
Nothing unexpected here, both expansions are expensive.
New extended project! Interesting...each one costs 4 econ/4 art. We also lost "expand holy sites", which makes mysticism harder to get...
New megaproject! Sounds very nice...but needs more forest expansion.
Wait...we only got 2 actions for this last turn? But we spent 4 mysticism...?
(Edit: As in last turn entirely, where our hero started the library and changed the province policy, not this latest change in stats)
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We still have no evidence that king actions+province actions cause Symphony to trigger. And even if we do trigger it, that's actually bad since it'd over-complete the project which would go into building Library infrastructure project which we don't really need right now and will cost us resources that could be better spent elsewhere.
Actually, clarify this: Will our provinces do expand economy stuff if the Main library action is enough to complete the project? That was sort of my plan- the provinces are much better suited action-wise to raise economy than the core is.
We also spent 2 mysticism on the expedition to the Metal Workers.
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High Clerk of the Ymaryn
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I meant last turn, not this turn.
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Sure, if they can be found with anyone else involved in corruption.
The regular payout from the Hathatyn.
They seem to have acquired metal tools just to upgrade their chariots. Probably just an increase in copper though.
The categories are independent of each other, so you're not actually at 100% coverage.
You only got 1 action spent on the library, but you critted your progress roll so you got an extra one.
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High Clerk of the Ymaryn
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...Then what else did we spend mysticism on last turn? We went from 13 to 9, and gained 1 from the Canal boost on the temple, and the temple didn't cost mysticism...
Diplomacy 7 [+4]->5 [+4]
-MW Calls For Aid -2
Art 9->7
-MW Calls For Aid -2
Mysticism 9 [-1+1]->7 [-1+1]
-MW Calls For Aid -2
Expected expenses
Economy 4 [-1]->4 [-1]
-MW Calls For Aid -2
-??? +2
Econ Expansion Econ Expansion 7->6
-MW Calls For Aid +2
-??? -3
Some weirdness here.
We'd need to take an Expand Economy at some point this turn or face the True City fading.
Prestige 17->18
Praise the Gods!
Trade Status
-Fine Pottery - Unchanged
-Fine Dye - Unchanged
-Fine Textiles - Unchanged
-Glass - None -> Marginal. In competition with the Xohyssiri
-Gold - Unchanged
-Silver - Unchanged
-Salt - Unchanged
-Wine - Unchanged
-Copper - Unchanged
-Bronze - Unchanged
-Tin - Unchanged. @Academia Nut didn't the Highlanders get Bronze and thus want some Tin?
-Iron - Unchanged
-Pilgrimage - Moderate -> Significant. Two steps to go.
Glass is missing from the tech list. Or maybe it needs more investment.
The Lead Glazed ceramic we used for the Temple is lost for now.
Glass is awesome here. It's the lead into more advanced brewing and chemistry even if it's kind of expensive in fuel to make.
But that sounds like the MWs can't really do much to help, they're fully occupied staying afloat.
Actions!
Reminder that we have 4 Econ, but can only spend 2, because the City will take 1 point, and the Library will take 1 points(1 already spent).
Our Martial is at 6, which needs bulking out, but if it goes above 8 we'd run into Quality of it's own Martial overflow issues again without sending them to subordinates.
On the other hand using it as Secondary hurts and we need to pair it with Proclaim Glory.
Fairly fast to build, but expensive.
Also looks like we can Dominate the pilgrimage trade very very quickly if we are at the Overflowing statuses.
Temple can be further uptiered as well, probably unlocking new facilities, but we probably want some in every province eventually? Preferably adjacent provinces to minimize religious drift
So my vote:
[X] [Main] More Blackbirds
[X] [Secondary] War Mission - Northern Nomads
[X] [Secondary] War Mission - Northern Nomads x2
1) More Blackbirds gives us the Martial we need to catch up, and also helps cope with the corruption problem. Noting that Main might cost an Economy, but has non-linear effects.
2) War Mission is mandatory. A Main effort is needed at the least, even with the Stallions and the Eastern Nomads backing us up.
-MW Calls For Aid -2
Art 9->7
-MW Calls For Aid -2
Mysticism 9 [-1+1]->7 [-1+1]
-MW Calls For Aid -2
Expected expenses
Economy 4 [-1]->4 [-1]
-MW Calls For Aid -2
-??? +2
Econ Expansion Econ Expansion 7->6
-MW Calls For Aid +2
-??? -3
Some weirdness here.
We'd need to take an Expand Economy at some point this turn or face the True City fading.
Prestige 17->18
Praise the Gods!
Trade Status
| Resource | Status | Rivals |
| Luxuries | ||
| Fine Pottery | Minor | Xohyssiri |
| Fine Dye | Dominating |
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| Fine Textiles | None | Xohyssiri, Swamp Folk |
| Glass | Marginal | Xohyssiri |
| Gold | Minor trading |
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| Silver | Leading |
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| Salt | Dominating | None |
| Wine | Leading |
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| Strategic | ||
| Copper | Significant |
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| Bronze | None | Non-traded |
| Tin | None | MW (in), TH (in), Hath (in) |
| Iron | Non-traded dominant | None |
| Cultural | ||
| Pilgrimage | Significant | Thunder Speakers, Xoh |
-Fine Pottery - Unchanged
-Fine Dye - Unchanged
-Fine Textiles - Unchanged
-Glass - None -> Marginal. In competition with the Xohyssiri
-Gold - Unchanged
-Silver - Unchanged
-Salt - Unchanged
-Wine - Unchanged
-Copper - Unchanged
-Bronze - Unchanged
-Tin - Unchanged. @Academia Nut didn't the Highlanders get Bronze and thus want some Tin?
-Iron - Unchanged
-Pilgrimage - Moderate -> Significant. Two steps to go.
Glass is missing from the tech list. Or maybe it needs more investment.
The Lead Glazed ceramic we used for the Temple is lost for now.
Glass is awesome here. It's the lead into more advanced brewing and chemistry even if it's kind of expensive in fuel to make.
Going to need Palace soon. But for now Lots More Blackbirds should help.
So as predicted, dumping water into a coal seam fire only cools it's ardor a bit. But at least instead of sulfurous smoke, it's now mostly steam, which also quenches the particulates.
Oh yes. If you want to be a dick to them you should do it in ways they'd praise you for!
But that sounds like the MWs can't really do much to help, they're fully occupied staying afloat.
So our Friendly Nomads bought us till the mid-turn at least, but can't hold. The Northern Nomads got Spoked chariots now. Urgh.
Actions!
Reminder that we have 4 Econ, but can only spend 2, because the City will take 1 point, and the Library will take 1 points(1 already spent).
Our Martial is at 6, which needs bulking out, but if it goes above 8 we'd run into Quality of it's own Martial overflow issues again without sending them to subordinates.
Immensely useful to Main at some point(since glass gates a lot of the chemistry needed to study tailings safely), but @Academia Nut seems to have mucked up the labels.
Can't afford walls, but can afford towers. Not sure if they're the best though.
We have a Policy changed!
Info mismatch with the infosheet.
Dominant Wine.txt
Maining these guys are the best for making up our Martial at present.
Restore Order now works at positive Stability again!
On the other hand using it as Secondary hurts and we need to pair it with Proclaim Glory.
And we have a Temple project!
Fairly fast to build, but expensive.
Also looks like we can Dominate the pilgrimage trade very very quickly if we are at the Overflowing statuses.
Temple can be further uptiered as well, probably unlocking new facilities, but we probably want some in every province eventually? Preferably adjacent provinces to minimize religious drift
New megaproject. Will require a LOT more spare forests first. Would suggest Main Forest x2 before this.
So my vote:
[X] [Main] More Blackbirds
[X] [Secondary] War Mission - Northern Nomads
[X] [Secondary] War Mission - Northern Nomads x2
1) More Blackbirds gives us the Martial we need to catch up, and also helps cope with the corruption problem. Noting that Main might cost an Economy, but has non-linear effects.
2) War Mission is mandatory. A Main effort is needed at the least, even with the Stallions and the Eastern Nomads backing us up.
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- United States
[X] [Main] Restore Order
[X] [Secondary] War mission - Northern Nomads
[X] [Secondary] War mission - Northern Nomads x2
This seems good. If we end up at 3 stability we can just do a secondary PG....but if we end up at 2 stability we can do a main PG and be maxed
[X] [Secondary] War mission - Northern Nomads
[X] [Secondary] War mission - Northern Nomads x2
This seems good. If we end up at 3 stability we can just do a secondary PG....but if we end up at 2 stability we can do a main PG and be maxed
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Hyacinthium
Writing about sad cannibals as we speak.
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- Bedroom
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Library or Black Soil... I can't decide!
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- They/Them
Huh, I guess there must be a settled group up there somewhere they're getting those from.
Ah. Drat. We really do need to just spend a turn or three on Defense policy at some point, though possibly now is not the time.
No, I don't think Baby Boom is over yet.
This seems good. If we end up at 3 stability we can just do a secondary PG....but if we end up at 2 stability we can do a main PG and be maxed
We can only end up at 2 stability from RoO now.
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- Simi Valley, CA, United States
I don't think you realize just how fluid things are. I don't think the idea of having a national identity is even a concept yet. According to AN's own words in this post we'll dealing with groups that can and will change (as seen with the Xohs in this last update).
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