No, that's what we both meant. Just talking past each other. My bad.I didn't though? When I said true conquest mission that's who I meant. E: Unless you mean something else?
Hence why it's a storytime. It's just a little too pat to be that perfect.]
I think my problem with this storyline, and only the story time, is this
"-Then recruiting, get the warriors lined up, recruit from his bros promising great loot and status to come, take the trade mission and provoke a first strike, then go to the King and present him with a new province on a silver platter."
We have seen no evidence of said person. Also as an aside that is a very textbook young hothead plan.
That's the problem here. It's very hard to get into even a subchief position. It's comparable to trying to get elected as the mayor of a small town with no political background or favors to pull. A second or first generation migrant will never get the spot unless they do something completely crazy.As to the issue of the sub chief I see no reason it could not be a case that they manipulated events to get themselves a sub chief position but then fucked up and got caught. Why? One is that we are not inflexible enough to not accept new blood and they could have come from the outside of the system. Two this is a sub chief position, which sounds very low on the totem pole, so I figure it is easy to get into if you are intelligent enough. Three, if they did start outside the chief system they do not have the problem of clan line loyalties clouding the idea maker.
So an intelligent person makes a lot of friends, gets them to move to the clan because they say these friends will get benefits, and the overflow plan is enacted. From there it works a little too well and we get the case that the person was elected sub chief, but got caught because they weren't smart enough to clean up evidence or get a "friend" in place instead to deflect blame.
However, it's not too hard for a first generation migrant to make it so a specific sub chief gets elected through clan manipulations.
In such a case, there is no need for the migrant to be the guy getting elected. It's actually counterproductive to do so, after all, even if he gets elected sub chief, he's not going to be chief within the decade. But he could however repeat the same stunt to stuff the sub chiefs with enough normally marginal people owing him favors for getting elected.
Think like a mafioso, would they want to be elected mayor and be accountable, when they can have all the benefits without the vulnerability and scrutiny of the position?
Probably a small group. Even if it was one genius they'd still need trusted people to carry out the plan while he's doing another part.You have a good chance of being right in the idea that the overflow problem, the clanless, and the warrior fuck up are the doings of one or maybe a small group of snakes. Probably a small group due to complexity and the amount of different connections and crossed social spheres I imagine would need to be made to pull this off.
I simply need more solid proof before I will say that the overflow is connected to the clanless event. It is a valid way for that to happen, but not the only one since other means of corruption were mentioned if not extrapolated on. We should probably ask AN some questions about what our king and advisors know about how the clanless got clanless. What's their various stories? Do they make sense?
The clanless thing being connected to the warriors I can see. They'd make a great core of loyal people to get that bullshit off the ground.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough. It's speculation at this point. It's plausible enough to factor in as a possibility however. Just too neat to be coincidences.