Hmm, odd
Diplomacy 14 (max, overflowing) [+1]
Economy 10 [-1]
Martial 11 {14} (partial limit)
Cultural
Art 14 (max, overflowing)
Mysticism 7 [-1]
None of these stats changed yet, despite the Wall that should cost us 2 Econ and the Trade Mission that should cost 2 Diplo and return 0 to 4 Diplo. I guess we're still in the same mid turn.
Stability -1 (anxious) (max Martial causing problems)
As already predicted, the choice would have a minor Stability hit risk over the moderately hard option, but we did avoid taking the ALL IN option, which spared us trying to emergency drag Stability back up while dealing with THIS mess.
As completely forgotten, max Martial made -1 Stability far more troublesome than it normally is. @Academia Nut, to clarify, did it make a difference that our Warrior Martial isn't overcap, but the Civilian Martial brought it over?
Either way, hopefully this leads to an evolution of Justice or Quality of it's own to control this issue. We need some goddamned discipline in our soldiers here!
If not we're going to need to keep Martial at 8. Economy fluctates too much.
Then the infodump stuff next:
2) Walls will shape the nature of crimes and the nature of enforcement. Chokepoints mean that regular warriors can do inspections, and shifts the nature of the smuggling crime to bribery and graft. Crimes of passion would be harder to detect, but also harder to escape justice from, but we'd need to develop investigative techniques, which would take time to establish.
3) Blackbirds have the right mindset, but not the right techniques hmm, so adding more of them would have a chance of innovating, but the fundamental problem is that we simply lack the technology to use surveillance on that level for a long time. Might be one of those things where learning how to make do would help more. Theres too many visual barriers to surveil even a small part of the city reasonably.
4) Enforce Law would put extra effort into keeping the law by trying to overcome the lack of tools and techniques to do so with a visible show of effort. Success would mean developing the necessary techniques, failure would be playing whack a mole against a crime problem they lack the tools for.
And also complicated interelated hierarchies.
Pantheon organization often mirrored social organizations of their time, the Greeks had a patriarchial family order, the Norse had feuding clans fused into loose allies, the Chinese had a vast and complicated divine bureaucracy(interspersed by graft and family feuds), the Hindu had a giant mess of everyone reincarnating into everyone else at the highest and lower levels, with the middle space occupied by family and territorial dramas, while the Shinto had distant squabbling family feuds at the higher spirits of nations and celestial bodies, with self absorbed spirits of earthly things.
Would be interesting to see how we wind up.
Hmm, we might have a surprising portion of wholesale transmitted beliefs from refugees bringing their spirits with them even as we miss out the stuff that traders think are cool and adopt. So less deformed representations of foreign spirits and practices, but a lot of foreign spirits will be adopted wholesale as minor spirits.
Our Northern warriors must be decked in more killmarks than a banana republic general. And the Southern warriors might be a little be jealous of the gap.
How do we handle the achievement of getting killed in the service of the people. Award the badge to their children or to their clan?
Fortunately we didn't YOLO full reform of dissolution laws, but strife was possible down every road.
Okay, this is TOO suspicious. Someone with a lot of skill and connections is doing this shit to social climb. They're even deliberately emulating a Cosmopolitan Acceptance based Stability loss cascade(i.e. faking a Stability loss to flood a family with 'refugees' causing them to trigger their own Stability loss event, and then taking control of all the new clans in the confusion).
I didn't know you could even be adopted against a clan's will.
-The recruiter is suspect.
--Some of the warriors were there for a trade missions. They were recruited under false pretenses.
--Some of the warriors were explicitly there to start a fight. They were recruited SPECIFICALLY for a war mission.
-Once the fight started, it escalated, but from what I can tell it was INTENDED to take the village to begin with by the organizer.
-Whoever ends up as chief of a 'new province' is pretty much being the backer, and acting in the finest traditions set by the Stallion Tribes.
The set up is too deliberate to be accidental, and it's done WELL.
...did we spawn an internal Rebel Administration Hero? Because this type of trick sounds like it.
[] Let the Highlanders extract their vengeance and attempt to make amends after (-1 Legitimacy, -3 Diplomacy, possibility of war with Highlanders, chance of spawning new faction in the lowlands)
What we do: Claim lone gunman, leave them to hang, including the people dragged in under false pretenses.
What the Highlanders see: Ymaryn has a bandit problem. A very nasty bandit problem.
What the dudes see: We did what we were told to, and then now they left us out to dry.
What the 'serpent' sees: Not as planned, they might stay with the Ymaryn and let the guys die as a cover, or they might be with the group and have to set up a country under fire. If the latter, they're certain to have brought some of our smelters with them under the guise of "studying Thunder Horse Copper" to start their own state.
[] Attempt to capture the errant warriors and then make amends with the Highlanders (-5 Diplomacy, probable war with Highlanders)
What we do: Enact Justice. Send dudes out, drag everyone home and interrogage, then send a buttload of Salt to the Highlanders to pay weregeld. Possibly with the mastermind in chains for them to execute.
What the Highlanders see(bad timing): Ymaryn having a go at one of their villages.
What the Highlanders see(good timing): ???
What the dudes see: Normal process of law and order, though with them as the accused this time.
What the 'serpent' sees: Worst case scenario, risk of capture and exposure.
[] Reinforce position (Conquer new province, war with Highlanders)
What we do: Perform a landgrab
What the Highlanders see: A landgrab
What the dudes see: We did good!
What the 'serpent' sees: Excellent, I'm Provincial Governor now, just a short distance to the Kingship. Now, to gain control of the Ymaryn military...
[] Massively reinforce position (-5 Military, founds new March, war with Highlanders)
What we do: Perform a landgrab
What the Highlanders see: A landgrab
What the dudes see: We did very good!
What the 'serpent' sees: Excellent, I'm Provincial Governor now, just a short distance to the Kingship, and they even gave me my own army to do it with. Now, prepare Order 66.
Diplomacy 14 (max, overflowing) [+1]
Economy 10 [-1]
Martial 11 {14} (partial limit)
Cultural
Art 14 (max, overflowing)
Mysticism 7 [-1]
None of these stats changed yet, despite the Wall that should cost us 2 Econ and the Trade Mission that should cost 2 Diplo and return 0 to 4 Diplo. I guess we're still in the same mid turn.
Stability -1 (anxious) (max Martial causing problems)
As already predicted, the choice would have a minor Stability hit risk over the moderately hard option, but we did avoid taking the ALL IN option, which spared us trying to emergency drag Stability back up while dealing with THIS mess.
As completely forgotten, max Martial made -1 Stability far more troublesome than it normally is. @Academia Nut, to clarify, did it make a difference that our Warrior Martial isn't overcap, but the Civilian Martial brought it over?
Either way, hopefully this leads to an evolution of Justice or Quality of it's own to control this issue. We need some goddamned discipline in our soldiers here!
If not we're going to need to keep Martial at 8. Economy fluctates too much.
Then the infodump stuff next:
1) Well, they know now!
2) Walls will shape the nature of crimes and the nature of enforcement. Chokepoints mean that regular warriors can do inspections, and shifts the nature of the smuggling crime to bribery and graft. Crimes of passion would be harder to detect, but also harder to escape justice from, but we'd need to develop investigative techniques, which would take time to establish.
3) Blackbirds have the right mindset, but not the right techniques hmm, so adding more of them would have a chance of innovating, but the fundamental problem is that we simply lack the technology to use surveillance on that level for a long time. Might be one of those things where learning how to make do would help more. Theres too many visual barriers to surveil even a small part of the city reasonably.
4) Enforce Law would put extra effort into keeping the law by trying to overcome the lack of tools and techniques to do so with a visible show of effort. Success would mean developing the necessary techniques, failure would be playing whack a mole against a crime problem they lack the tools for.
Heh, given recent events this probably took a sudden turn.
"They like to troll people" might be a major element at this rate.
And also complicated interelated hierarchies.
Pantheon organization often mirrored social organizations of their time, the Greeks had a patriarchial family order, the Norse had feuding clans fused into loose allies, the Chinese had a vast and complicated divine bureaucracy(interspersed by graft and family feuds), the Hindu had a giant mess of everyone reincarnating into everyone else at the highest and lower levels, with the middle space occupied by family and territorial dramas, while the Shinto had distant squabbling family feuds at the higher spirits of nations and celestial bodies, with self absorbed spirits of earthly things.
Would be interesting to see how we wind up.
Oh right, I recall the Xohyssiri use hair braiding as a marker of rank. How do we mark our non-Sacred Warriors rankwise? I know our chiefs of various sorts hold some sort of stick as a badge of rank, but do our clerks have some similar identifiers to denote that "I'm authorized to issue resources"?
Heh. Presumably we steal a fair bit of these from other cultures as refugees merge in, but that's counterbalanced by our lack of trade ties meaning that we don't get the normal borrowing and mixing.
Hmm, we might have a surprising portion of wholesale transmitted beliefs from refugees bringing their spirits with them even as we miss out the stuff that traders think are cool and adopt. So less deformed representations of foreign spirits and practices, but a lot of foreign spirits will be adopted wholesale as minor spirits.
Interesting that the criteria is based on decomposition now(IIRC it was looser previously). An adaptation to the existence of hospices and warriors? Since the former will have to routinely handle the newly dead, and warriors of course, touch/create a lot of corpses and clearly don't get much curses.
Hmm, good practice for developing geometry later. It's like we're hippy engineers!
Weren't pants relatively difficult to make at this time period?
...we use Achievement badges?
Our Northern warriors must be decked in more killmarks than a banana republic general. And the Southern warriors might be a little be jealous of the gap.
How do we handle the achievement of getting killed in the service of the people. Award the badge to their children or to their clan?
Tattooing drifts from acupuncture guides to magic. Still, largely harmless, even if it gives warriors an image of being hotblooded blockheads.
Going to look a lot like voodoo dolls for outsiders.
Vaguely chinese style family compound then, though arranged vertically rather than sprawling.
Seems like we were going to do a full societal revision or else accept that there will be legal gaps that could be exploited.
Here, I think we see how people overall take clan lineages. It'd still have problems, since 'officially' anyone in a city not being in a clan would be taken about the same emotionally, they'd be still tied to their clans by relationships even if informally, but it'd be easier to cope with that if we just dissolved all the clans and they can only make trouble with soft power.
Fortunately we didn't YOLO full reform of dissolution laws, but strife was possible down every road.
And there's the Overmartial problem. Previously at Stability -1 we had some arguments, corruption and theft. Martial and everyone being armed meant that said disagreements tended to end with stabbings.
Okay, this is TOO suspicious. Someone with a lot of skill and connections is doing this shit to social climb. They're even deliberately emulating a Cosmopolitan Acceptance based Stability loss cascade(i.e. faking a Stability loss to flood a family with 'refugees' causing them to trigger their own Stability loss event, and then taking control of all the new clans in the confusion).
I didn't know you could even be adopted against a clan's will.
We have laws to control that shit, but I think this group was less accidental and more affliated with the culprit...
Okay so:
-The recruiter is suspect.
--Some of the warriors were there for a trade missions. They were recruited under false pretenses.
--Some of the warriors were explicitly there to start a fight. They were recruited SPECIFICALLY for a war mission.
-Once the fight started, it escalated, but from what I can tell it was INTENDED to take the village to begin with by the organizer.
-Whoever ends up as chief of a 'new province' is pretty much being the backer, and acting in the finest traditions set by the Stallion Tribes.
There may or may not be a conspiracy, but it smells heavily like the same type of false flag operation being done in Valleyhome with the clans.
The set up is too deliberate to be accidental, and it's done WELL.
...did we spawn an internal Rebel Administration Hero? Because this type of trick sounds like it.
[] Let the Highlanders extract their vengeance and attempt to make amends after (-1 Legitimacy, -3 Diplomacy, possibility of war with Highlanders, chance of spawning new faction in the lowlands)
What we do: Claim lone gunman, leave them to hang, including the people dragged in under false pretenses.
What the Highlanders see: Ymaryn has a bandit problem. A very nasty bandit problem.
What the dudes see: We did what we were told to, and then now they left us out to dry.
What the 'serpent' sees: Not as planned, they might stay with the Ymaryn and let the guys die as a cover, or they might be with the group and have to set up a country under fire. If the latter, they're certain to have brought some of our smelters with them under the guise of "studying Thunder Horse Copper" to start their own state.
[] Attempt to capture the errant warriors and then make amends with the Highlanders (-5 Diplomacy, probable war with Highlanders)
What we do: Enact Justice. Send dudes out, drag everyone home and interrogage, then send a buttload of Salt to the Highlanders to pay weregeld. Possibly with the mastermind in chains for them to execute.
What the Highlanders see(bad timing): Ymaryn having a go at one of their villages.
What the Highlanders see(good timing): ???
What the dudes see: Normal process of law and order, though with them as the accused this time.
What the 'serpent' sees: Worst case scenario, risk of capture and exposure.
[] Reinforce position (Conquer new province, war with Highlanders)
What we do: Perform a landgrab
What the Highlanders see: A landgrab
What the dudes see: We did good!
What the 'serpent' sees: Excellent, I'm Provincial Governor now, just a short distance to the Kingship. Now, to gain control of the Ymaryn military...
[] Massively reinforce position (-5 Military, founds new March, war with Highlanders)
What we do: Perform a landgrab
What the Highlanders see: A landgrab
What the dudes see: We did very good!
What the 'serpent' sees: Excellent, I'm Provincial Governor now, just a short distance to the Kingship, and they even gave me my own army to do it with. Now, prepare Order 66.
