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goable said:
... thats only true if the prototyping happens before integration right?

Edit: to be fair I'd be down for that it would make it harder sure, but it would make it more about drowning them at that point, and incapacitating
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On the first point: True, but remember, the actions you vote for are filtered through the personalities of the characters, and both Taylor and her Server player would balk at prototyping Annette's ashes intentionally and without the relevant information.

And entering a game without prototyping your Kernelsprite does not end well. In the slightest.

As for the second point, that's making a lot of assumptions. Put simply, even if Taylor had the resources to drown one imp, she still would easily get overrun. If it was, say, the 10th player they might have a decent chance at survival, but Alexandria being the first prototype? Yeah, these kids would get slaughtered.

My point is, if the Alexandria Action Figure was prototyped, either I'd have to nerf its effects or it would become a Doomed Timeline. I'm not going to veto it since it makes sense in-character, but consider your choices carefully.
 
AilingStar said:
On the first point: True, but remember, the actions you vote for are filtered through the personalities of the characters, and both Taylor and her Server player would balk at prototyping Annette's ashes intentionally and without the relevant information.

And entering a game without prototyping your Kernelsprite does not end well. In the slightest.

As for the second point, that's making a lot of assumptions. Put simply, even if Taylor had the resources to drown one imp, she still would easily get overrun. If it was, say, the 10th player they might have a decent chance at survival, but Alexandria being the first prototype? Yeah, these kids would get slaughtered.

My point is, if the Alexandria Action Figure was prototyped, either I'd have to nerf its effects or it would become a Doomed Timeline. I'm not going to veto it since it makes sense in-character, but consider your choices carefully.
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I'm not even sure if there has ever existed a nondoomed timeline of homestuck.
 
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    • goable said:
    Wasn't the timeline doomed anyway forcing numerous characters from multiple different instances to actually fix the prime timeline so it did succeed?

    I mean theoretically an Alpha timeline doesn't need to be done that way.
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    It's the timeline that resulted in the stable time loop that is the basis for all of Homestuck iirc. Even if it needed help from Doomed Timelines to get it done, that doesn't mean the timeline itself is Doomed.

    There's a difference between 'doomed' as in 'bad things are going to happen' and 'Doomed' as in 'this timeline is non-viable and will be eliminated'. Prototyping the Alexandria Action Figure would result in the latter, like what happened when Egbert ascended the gates early and was killed before Jade could enter.

    And I'll say this right here, and even threadmark it for posterity. In this session, Doomed Timelines brought about by player choice will not result in cool bonuses in the main timeline. Due to the nature of this session's Time player, bringing about Doomed Timelines will have consequences. You shouldn't have too much problems with Doomed Timelines, though. Making the session unwinnable is going to be hard, and I am willing to warn you if your choices have a high chance in resulting in a Doomed Timeline, like I am now.

    That being said, if anyone wants to explore alternate timelines in omakes, feel free! That will not have direct negative effects on the timeline, and I may even be willing to give surprise bonuses for them.

    With that said, I would appreciate it if we could put the subject of Doomed Timelines to bed, unless it's about how they relate to this fic.
     
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    • AilingStar said:
    On the first point: True, but remember, the actions you vote for are filtered through the personalities of the characters, and both Taylor and her Server player would balk at prototyping Annette's ashes intentionally and without the relevant information.
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    That won't stop us from, in classic Homestuck style, fumbling like an idiot.
    goable said:
    Wasn't the timeline doomed anyway forcing numerous characters from multiple different instances to actually fix the prime timeline so it did succeed?

    I mean theoretically an Alpha timeline doesn't need to be done that way.
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    Strictly speaking, the Alpha Timeline is an artificial construct whose only purpose is bringing about the existence of Lord English. It's entirely possible this narrative takes place outside of the possibility-space of the Alpha Timeline and its Doomed branches.
     
    I'm down for prototyping a cake, sounds like it would be pretty funny to me. also the first step step on the road to creating candyland

    edit: now I'm imagining how Jack will react to being forced to wear a cake as a hat.
     
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    The Froggy Ninja said:
    Strictly speaking, the Alpha Timeline is an artificial construct whose only purpose is bringing about the existence of Lord English. It's entirely possible this narrative takes place outside of the possibility-space of the Alpha Timeline and its Doomed branches.
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    We probably have some kind of WORM ENGLISH instead. Doomed timeline might work slightly differently, depending on how things table out.

    I don't know of a single Homestuck fan who doesn't like to tinker with the metaphysics.
     
    Box Lunch said:
    We probably have some kind of WORM ENGLISH instead. Doomed timeline might work slightly differently, depending on how things table out.

    I don't know of a single Homestuck fan who doesn't like to tinker with the metaphysics.
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    Scion is the likely choice. He travels though dimension and exists across multiple words but he's isn't really a mastermind. Maybe something behind him but I guess he's closer to jack noir as an unbeatable boss.

    There's that third space thing that I don't believe has a lot of information on it so I could be turned into a villain but at that point it's also as likely we're dealing with an OC. It's also possible there is no WORM ENGLISH, Homestuck even when working properly is still a tale rife with narrative potential.
     
    Jack727 said:
    Scion is the likely choice. He travels though dimension and exists across multiple words but he's isn't really a mastermind. Maybe something behind him but I guess he's closer to jack noir as an unbeatable boss.

    There's that third space thing that I don't believe has a lot of information on it so I could be turned into a villain but at that point it's also as likely we're dealing with an OC. It's also possible there is no WORM ENGLISH, Homestuck even when working properly is still a tale rife with narrative potential.
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    Keep in mind that Caliborn wasn't really a mastermind either. He just kind of brute forced his way to victory through raw power over time. Very Scion-esque.
     
    The Froggy Ninja said:
    Is PtV (limited since Contessa's was top tier experimental shit) more overpowered than knowledge of and control over time itself?
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    This comes down to beliefs and structures, limits and personalities.

    I of course assumed for some reason that Worm abilities mattered, which we've been given no indication of, but PtV does indicate Scion likely is the analogue given these are analogous abilities.
     
    when arguing who's worse I kinda feel like English is just weird in that department, specifically because of his invincibility and destiny bullshit, there was really only one specific way that he could be dealt with but since he was destined to lose because of his choice at the end of his game that was always going to happen sooner or later. meanwhile as far as I'm aware any powerful enough person could have killed scion, but someone like that showing up is a lot less of a sure thing.

    in short I'm not sure the two are really comparable in the first place.
     
    Doomed timelines aren't just a result of Lord English meddling in continuity. To make a doomed timeline, all you need is a time loop. If someone looking at Skaia, for example, sees that they need to do something at a particular location at a particular time, or send something back in time, and then does the thing, that creates a stable timeloop and and a safe timeline. If however, they don't do that, then the time loop becomes unstable because it is no longer self fulfilling.

    Screwing up a stable time loop is what makes a doomed timeline. That's it. So, if the OP says the Alexandria figure will create a doomed timeline, that means prototyping it will interfere with an outstanding time loop such that it can't be completed and therefore unravels continuity. As an example, Dave Strider's whole thing is stable time loops, and his doomed selves come from doing things that would break the time loops he has yet to create.
     
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    Architect Iront. said:
    Doomed timelines aren't just a result of Lord English meddling in continuity. To make a doomed timeline, all you need is a time loop. If someone looking at Skaia, for example, sees that they need to do something at a particular location at a particular time, or send something back in time, and then does the thing, that creates a stable timeloop and and a safe timeline. If however, they don't do that, then the time loop becomes unstable because it is no longer self fulfilling.

    Screwing up a stable time loop is what makes a doomed timeline. That's it. So, if the OP says the Alexandria figure will create a doomed timeline, that means prototyping it will interfere with an outstanding time loop such that it can't be completed and therefore unravels continuity. As an example, Dave Strider's whole thing is stable time loops, and his doomed selves come from doing things that would break the time loops he has yet to create.
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    Doomed timelines are simply any timelines that are not the alpha timeline.
     
    Appropriately enough, this is running in circles. In Homestuck, self-fulfilling time loops are an extension of Lord English's nature. It's physically impossible to distinguish the two. The existence of Temporal Shenanigans is as inconceivable without his influence as our Universe without continuity itself.

    [X] Locate PARENTAL BOOKSTAND before proceeding.
     
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    Also, for the timeline shenanigans, remember that someone is going to have to ectobiology those characters into existence. That time loop is almost always going to be in play in Sburb.
     
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    Adhoc vote count started by AilingStar on May 3, 2023 at 2:11 PM, finished with 32 posts and 6 votes.
    • [X] Put book in booksheld
      [x] ==> HEAD INTO BASEMENT TO ACQUIRE LIGHT BULB
      [X] set entomology book on fire via stovetop
      [X] dive into cake
      [X] Check around house for more BIRTHDAY ARTIFACTS before confronting DAD.
      [X] Locate PARENTAL BOOKSTAND before proceeding.
      [X] Contemplate cake
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