Crossposted from Spacebattles.
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You mean 'stock ships aren't really that optimized'? Yeah, I know that, but since this is an OCP for the CDE factions, they start off with stock ships. Though later they'll get better with all the super-optimized expensive shit.I'm glad you moved this here. I read SB sometimes, but here is where I actually participate in discussion.
I know people have told you this a ton, but the stock CoaDE ships really, really suck. They are optimized in the extreme. A decent player ship of the same mass is like an order of magnitude better. The humans are in a bad enough spot here without having to use poor engineering. Some well optimized laserstars would be a good start, but there are huge improvements to be had all around.
Sorry, I was missing an "un". Damn auto-correct.You mean 'stock ships aren't really that optimized'? Yeah, I know that, but since this is an OCP for the CDE factions, they start off with stock ships. Though later they'll get better with all the super-optimized expensive shit.
Though I can't tell you too much about the faction's... er... actual numbers and positions without spoiling mynonexistentplans.
But after the nukes exploded, they hadn't expected to see an oval deep-blue field suddenly appearing around the ship, covering it for a few seconds before fading away. The ship was unharmed, and undamaged.
Mass effect races don't have force fields. They have kinetic barriers, which do exactly what they say and stop kinetic projectiles. They are useless against direct energy weapons and would not help against a nuclear detonation going off in their face - not the giant thermal bloom nor the radiation.But after the nukes exploded, they hadn't expected to see an oval deep-blue field suddenly appearing around the ship, covering it for a few seconds before fading away. The ship was unharmed, and undamaged.
"I-impossible..."
"N-No way?!"
"Did-did you see it?!"
They had not expected the bogeys to carry a force-field.
That is not how kinetic barriers work -- they are not classic sci-fi forcefields. The closest equivalent to how a kinetic barrier works, from a more mainstream series, is a Star Trek tractor beam. The system detects an incoming projectile, flickers a projector on and off, and knocks the projectile off course. The process is very power-intensive, which is why barriers get drained in sustained combat -- it's not the barrier weakening, but the capacitors draining faster than the generator can fill them.
Not only is there no bubble-shaped shield, the barrier only works on physical matter. It's completely transparent to light, heat and ionizing radiation -- which is better than 90% of the damage done by a nuke in space. The fireballs and shockwaves typically associated with a nuclear detonation happen exclusively in atmosphere.
A barrier might keep alpha and beta particles out if the VI operating it is absolutely top quality, but the real killer is the gamma radiation and that comes right in unobstructed. The thing is, Batarian ships are sloppy, they're not top quality. Most Turian barriers would be hard pressed to stop most of the alpha and beta radiation off of a nuke, and theirs are third best after Protheans/Collectors and Reapers.
Unless you are deliberately writing a biased story to give humanity less of a chance, those nuclear missiles are superior to anything any Citadel race has, in every way except the propulsion.
So, assume that I have no idea what radiation does or how to shield against it. What does it do to mass effect ships, and mass effect fields in general? I mean, I really have no idea, so I really need all the information I could get.Mass effect races don't have force fields. They have kinetic barriers, which do exactly what they say and stop kinetic projectiles. They are useless against direct energy weapons and would not help against a nuclear detonation going off in their face - not the giant thermal bloom nor the radiation.
While human ship maneuverability is in the toilet compared to anybody with eezo, those nuclear missiles are a better armament than anything the pirates will have and their spinal mass drivers are complete overkill against human ships.
That is not how kinetic barriers work -- they are not classic sci-fi forcefields. The closest equivalent to how a kinetic barrier works, from a more mainstream series, is a Star Trek tractor beam. The system detects an incoming projectile, flickers a projector on and off, and knocks the projectile off course. The process is very power-intensive, which is why barriers get drained in sustained combat -- it's not the barrier weakening, but the capacitors draining faster than the generator can fill them.
Not only is there no bubble-shaped shield, the barrier only works on physical matter. It's completely transparent to light, heat and ionizing radiation -- which is better than 90% of the damage done by a nuke in space. The fireballs and shockwaves typically associated with a nuclear detonation happen exclusively in atmosphere.
A barrier might keep alpha and beta particles out if the VI operating it is absolutely top quality, but the real killer is the gamma radiation and that comes right in unobstructed. The thing is, Batarian ships are sloppy, they're not top quality. Most Turian barriers would be hard pressed to stop most of the alpha and beta radiation off of a nuke, and theirs are third best after Protheans/Collectors and Reapers.
This argument is an artefact of third person imperfect narration.
So, assume that I have no idea what radiation does or how to shield against it. What does it do to mass effect ships, and mass effect fields in general? I mean, I really have no idea, so I really need all the information I could get.
Also, this Batarian ship is a ""pirate"" ship for plausible deniability purposes, so assume that it has better equipment than most batarian pirate ships.
And that part about force-fields is really in the viewpoint of the humans, not the aliens. If it were, then there would be aliens giving commentary on it too.
you narrated the appearance of a forcefield, when no such technology exists on either side. - A kinetic barrier in operation in space combat would look like a bullet bouncing off of nothing at all just before hitting the hull -- no glowing bubble. But your narration described one
But after the nukes exploded, they hadn't expected to see an oval deep-blue field suddenly appearing around the ship, covering it for a few seconds before fading away. The ship was unharmed, and undamaged.
What the humans see was the ship's kinetic barrier been bombarded by the high energy particules reacting with the dark-energy(bullship) its the same that with the Overload of the games, the barriers are not "skintigh" its not a good idea to have and skintigh shield most probably ships got a "bubble shield" to stop the direct energy transfer
Kinetic barriers actually do show up as light blue in game whenever they deflect a bullet. They also activate to defend against radiation if you tune them right but that drains them pretty fast if that one mission in ME2 is canon for this.And as I commented above, it doesn't matter how the aliens or the humans would think about kinetic barriers -- you narrated the appearance of a forcefield, when no such technology exists on either side. A kinetic barrier in operation in space combat would look like a bullet bouncing off of nothing at all just before hitting the hull -- no glowing bubble. But your narration described one. Most people can't see bullets in flight, but their sensors might show the deflection happening.
Oddly, i've been checking some space combat cutscenes and so far i did'nt notice any blue glow from that looks like come from starship barrier. There are blue glows, but they came ships' mass accelerator.Kinetic barriers actually do show up as light blue in game whenever they deflect a bullet. They also activate to defend against radiation if you tune them right but that drains them pretty fast if that one mission in ME2 is canon for this.
It happens in gun combat apparently;Oddly, i've been checking some space combat cutscenes and so far i did'nt notice any blue glow from that looks like come from starship barrier. There are blue glows, but they came ships' mass accelerator.
Oddly, i've been checking some space combat cutscenes and so far i did'nt notice any blue glow from that looks like come from starship barrier. There are blue glows, but they came ships' mass accelerator.
It happens in gun combat apparently;
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