I'm not sure which of these you think are shinto, but the answer is none of them. The Kuji-in is chinese, and Fudo Myo-o is the wrathful incarnation of Vaicarona, the unmanifested primal buddha from which the Gautama Buddha arose.I'm not too sure expect of the buddist chant whereas we know the comparative difficulty of the shinto ones.
Anyone able to help me out?
The things you learn, very cool.I'm not sure which of these you think are shinto, but the answer is none of them. The Kuji-in is chinese, and Fudo Myo-o is the wrathful incarnation of Vaicarona, the unmanifested primal buddha from which the Gautama Buddha arose.
Further, the 'shinto'-buddhism distinction is not one that Kogitsunemaru would make. While you understand buddhism has been transmitted from China, and that there are practicies that are native to japan and do not originate with buddhism, you also understand the great gods of japan, such as Amaterasu, empress of the heavens, to be also... a version of? an emmanation of? the various buddhas, though the fact has not been emphasized in your education, and you mostly concider them distinct.
I don't understand where you're going in the second half of your post, I didn't realise China was involved in any of the other Sutras so that wasn't part of my thought process.or tell you that while Buddhism is the best guide we have for morality and ethics, onmyoji cannot forget the native gods of the land, as they often are the cause of, or the remedy to, many of the supernatural problems that onmyoji must solve.
It seems i've caused slightly more confusion than i've intended! i usually talk from the perspective of Kogitsunemaru, what he knows and has been taught, but let me break with that for a moment.The things you learn, very cool.
I was thinking about this one:
[ ]: I recite the holy sutras! Their sacred words themselves have their own power, which may turn away the demon. While unlikely to destroy or harm it, they are one of the most common ways of keeping demons away. Specifically, I chant the Lotus sutra, held by many to be the most holy sutra of all, containing the complete and necessary teachings of the buddha.
Since it explicity referred to the Buddha I felt it was a fair assumption it was related to Buddhism and I slotted all others into Shinto because I thought that our spiritual education implied that spells and such would fall into either category.
I don't understand where you're going in the second half of your post, I didn't realise China was involved in any of the other Sutras so that wasn't part of my thought process.
Yes however I don't know everything that Kogitsunemaru knows, therefore I talk from the perspective of Dark As Silver. While I'm not fully unaware of the intricacies ofIt seems i've caused slightly more confusion than i've intended! i usually talk from the perspective of Kogitsunemaru, what he knows and has been taught, but let me break with that for a moment.
First things first, no, you don't think magic things are inherently non-buddhist. In fact, most of your knowledge is in the form of buddhist mantras for various things, and even rituals that aren't strictly buddhist may call upon the buddha or buddhist concepts. Your father was merely saying that onmyoji have to pay attention to non-buddhist things as well because that's often where the trouble starts, or the where you find the friends you need to fix the trouble.
Second, while only few Sutras were written in china, buddhism was transmitted from china to Japan my missionaries from China and emessaries to china from japan, which needed chinese technology and religion for various reasons.
But my point wasn't about china or buddhism: it was about 'shinto,' which doesn't exist. There are native gods, but they aren't concidered a seperate religion or thing from buddhism, but reinterpreted in a buddhist light where nessecary, and where no you just worship the buddhas and the gods however you need. there is no organized 'shinto' and no real conception of some native japanese religion, though there is the knowledge that buddhism is foreign.
Onmyodo is hugely influenced by Chinese mystical practices so that's why china matters most of the practices we are using are a Japanese version of Chinese stuff kinda like Tex mex but for magic and Chinese and Japanese shamanistic practices influenced each other sometimes sorta the gods we call on may be local gods and the monsters we fight may be local monsters but the practices are very much descended from Chinese traditions with a tiny splash of Japanese shamanism. Plus in this time period if I remember correctly Chinese language and stuff is popular and a sign of status in Japanese high society.Yes however I don't know everything that Kogitsunemaru knows, therefore I talk from the perspective of Dark As Silver. While I'm not fully unaware of the intricacies ofShintothe various native beliefs and gods, there are large gaps in my knowledge, its extremely unwieldy to talk like that and I think there is some value in grouping them to better distinguish local beliefs from Buddhist ones, so when I say Shinto I mean anything belief/religion/superstition that is native to japan rather than imported and I hope you can bear with this construct.
I am still not sure why China matters to this discussion, I think we might have reached the point where we're talking past each other again.
The chinese written language was at times used as though it was inherently magical.Chinese language and stuff is popular and a sign of status in Japanese high society.
Sanskrit writing looks magic to me and the chants sound amazing so I can definitely see where that comes fromThe chinese written language was at times used as though it was inherently magical.
The power of being foreign!(China did the same but with Sanskrit)