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NorseQuest (A Norse Xianxia)

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Shard said:
Makes you wonder if nonNorse Finnish people can get Orthsirr though. Or if, say, Gabriel, can get Orthsirr.
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Orthsirr is basicaly the power of the community, since is given by a person reputation inside the community. Gabriel is a Christian and a foreigner, so he is not part of the community and can't gain Orthsirr, just like a Thrall, an Outlaw or any other begin that exists outside the Law.

I'm curious if other cultivation systems have something similar to Orthsirr. After all, the cultures of the Greeks and Romans placed great importance on community and civic duty. And this also influenced Christian culture in the following times.

"Hey Blackhand? did you ever year somebody talking abaout the Ancient Roman Empire? or the Ancient Greeks? what do you know abaout them?"
 
Shard said:
It's actually really concerning as to how other cultures have a fully developed cultivation system and we're literally stuck on stage 1.
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We have a fully developed cultivation system, it's just that it's riddled with a bunch of landmines and practically no one knows how to progress in it. Well, I'm being pedantic, since we still face the problem of being a culture that lacks actual cultivator's. Although some of us can still match up to cultivators, given that Steinarr killed Lord Highwater, and Highwater seemed to actually be rather strong for a Knight. Maybe Fifth/Sixth Decade...?

I wonder what happened to the original Norse cultivators... maybe the Enemy spent a lot of its resources to get rid of them in the first place? At least, I get the impression there were originally true Norse cultivators, since Hallr said Berserks 're-emerged', which suggests they existed before Shapecrafters were a thing, and the only other way to get Frenzy is to be an actual cultivator. Huh. What the hell could've killed people that were on Blackhand's level? Like, I doubt every cultivator was on his level, but we know that Blackhand didn't actually reach the highest realm and I would be very surprised if none of the ancient Norse cultivator's reached a higher realm than him, considering they (presumably) had more information regarding their cultivation system, and didn't have a bunch of land mines.

I also wonder if the other Norse races can cultivate - and if so, whether they have information on True Cultivation. Races like the dwarves, giants, elves, etc. That's something I wanna find out but I know that's not happening on Halla, or Sigurdr, or whoever comes after Sigurdr, if ever lmao. Actually...
 
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Steelfathers killed Blackhand. They've tied their wagon to what's apparently some World Class Bad Juju, and at the very least it makes them immortal, and their attacks able to corrupt cultivators to the point they can't recover if they take enough harm from it.

Presumably, they also just Don't Die of age, since there's no records of a Steelfather dying of old age. Steelfathers dying at all is a nigh mythical occurance, but the Jomsvikings had more than any two of its closest competitors, and were still too powerful to be checked even after losing four of them in Hallr's Last Stand.

Then Ironjaw popped a fifth of them, and now they're in Actual Fucking Danger because they're now at battle parity with their competitors, who have a very long list of grudges against them.
 
Still mulling over "other things than the Weapon can kill Steelfathers, but only the Weapon can defeat the Curse". I expect killing a Steelfather without the Weapon releases something pretty bad - magical radiation poisoning, a magical compulsion to pick up the Steel from the Steelfather and go on to commit more violence, something along those lines. I believe the site of Hallr's battle with the Steelfathers is a country-wide blasted hole in the ground. I initially thought that was due to the violence of the battle, but it kind of goes with the "killing a Steelfather releases nuclear melt-down level bad juju" theory.
 
hm...i wonder...
If there is an invitation against the Jornsvikings, should we accept it? Because it sounds like one of THE defining raids of the decade, if not the century.

Edit: On the other hand, with them occupied by the raiding/war, we could also go to check out Gotland.... what whit them being the ones that killed Hallr.
Not sure if The Enemy keeps an eye on the place though....
 
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... Hypothetically speaking, what's the weregild for a Nisse? Like, if we Outlaw Horra completely, will the Jarl compensate us (and Steinarr) for damages inflicted by Horra? Because if he does then hypothetical weregild for a Nisse suddenly comes up.

(Geistgild? Spirit-price?)
 
Mmm, makes sense. Steel is Eternal, even if you can kill the Steelfather, their remains are going to continue doing what Steel Does Best, and ruining everything it can. Only the Weapon (Which I still profess is Fucking Excalibur, or at least its precursor--remember that Gram is the mythological precursor to the Sword in the Stone, which is the weapon Arthur used until he broke it on some monster's face and acquired Excalibur to replace it from the Lady of the Lake--a weapon that notably translates to Steel Cutter) can Sever the Curse of Steel itself.

Oh yeah, Shard, Weregild only matters if you're in the Law, Nisse are not, they exist symbiotically with farms, but aren't actually part of the package.
 
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TheCount said:
hm...i wonder...
If there is an invitation against the Jornsvikings, should we accept it? Because it sounds like one of THE defining raids of the decade, if not the century.
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I'd rather we not. The Jomsvikings are still one of the premier Warbands in this era - perhaps ever - even if they're nowhere near as strong as they used to be. We're still not even Ironbrother-level - trying to raid a Warband with more than one Steelfathers and who knows how many Ironbrothers and Oresons (or is it Smeltsons?). We've still got Horra to deal with, too, but that looks like its coming to a close.

Does the Enemy only know where we are? If we were to leave on a trading trip or something, and Abjorn came, would the Enemy get our home jumped? Well, Steinarr can take care of the children I guess, as he's done before.
 
I mean, maybe the Steelfathers are not COMPLETELY dead but just MOSTLY dead. They keep living as a bunch of Steel shards until the Curse is broken.

Constenanto said:
I'd rather we not. The Jomsvikings are still one of the premier Warbands in this era - perhaps ever - even if they're nowhere near as strong as they used to be. We're still not even Ironbrother-level - trying to raid a Warband with more than one Steelfathers and who knows how many Ironbrothers and Oresons (or is it Smeltsons?). We've still got Horra to deal with, too, but that looks like its coming to a close.
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I think we had a grudge with an Ironbrother? the one who lead the attack against Halfdan farm. Halla had a premonition that they would have met again.
 
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I think Alectai and Count have the right of it. Steel probably persists after death, and spreads its bad juju to the surrounding area... whatever that bad juju actually is.

I assume the Weapon not only destroys Steel, but can somehow permanently remove the Curse... somehow.

Mystic Pentagram said:
I think we had a grudge with an Ironbrother? the one who lead the attack against Halfdan farm. Halla had a premonition that they would have met again.
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The Ironbrother we pissed of is apart of the Skirsvikingar, not the Jomsvikingar.
 
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The Jomsvikings seems to be tied to the enemy somehow, given they don't consider the Varangian guard to be proper Vikings. And we know that they have no ties to the curse.
 
Bass11 said:
The Jomsvikings seems to be tied to the enemy somehow, given they don't consider the Varangian guard to be proper Vikings. And we know that they have no ties to the curse.
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Hallr did say that the Enemy has some sort of influence in most warbands. I imagine the Joms are no exception, especially with the fate bullshit the Enemy pulled on Hallr that got him killed. I don't think it's as simple as 'The Enemy is actually our true Warband leader' or other similar scenarios, though.
 
Alectai said:
Mmm, makes sense. Steel is Eternal, even if you can kill the Steelfather, their remains are going to continue doing what Steel Does Best, and ruining everything it can. Only the Weapon (Which I still profess is Fucking Excalibur, or at least its precursor--remember that Gram is the mythological precursor to the Sword in the Stone, which is the weapon Arthur used until he broke it on some monster's face and acquired Excalibur to replace it from the Lady of the Lake--a weapon that notably translates to Steel Cutter) can Sever the Curse of Steel itself.
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I agree, though I think the timeline is the other way in this quest. Gram's story starts with no description of where it came from, and ends with it being shattered, which is the current state of the Weapon. So I think we're going with a 4th-5th century version of Arthur who played out whatever parts of Arthuriana are true in this version, and Odin stole/tricked/bargained for Excalibur after it went back to the Lady in the Lake, and gave it to Sigmund, named as Gram.
 
I wonder if part of Blackhand's sacrifice was like, all his Hamingja. Doesn't feel like it's enough though. Maybe also his Fylgja.

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Imperial Fister said:
No. Charred Soul happened about a decade before Hallr's death.
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Okay so.. from what I can tell,

Hallr had like 22 Sons/Daughters, of which 2 died before having children.

Then of the 20 surviving sons and daughters, we get 20 Hallr and Hallas. But Halla's the only one named after Hallr actually died?

Honestly I can see how important it is to have Norsemen on short lives so that we don't run into name duplication issues.

I can imagine Halla Steinarrsdottir meeting another Halla Steinarsdottir. It's just bound to happen eventually. Even visiting the other Halla and Hallrs is going to yield a lot of duplication.

Imperial Fister said:
They've actually met once before. On opposite sides of a raid.

They don't particularly care one way or the other towards one another, though Halfdan likes Steinarr more than Steinarr likes Halfdan.

HalfdanQuest would've been panicking when they realized exactly who they swore eternal friendship to was.
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Was Steinarr raiding Halfdan or was Halfdan raiding Steinarr?
 
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Shard said:
I wonder if part of Blackhand's sacrifice was like, all his Hamingja. Doesn't feel like it's enough though. Maybe also his Fylgja.
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I would say don't forget the memories either.... but then, that might have been just the fragmentation if others of his descendants also got a piece of Charred Soul burnt into them...
Guess we will see when we do the family tour...
 
I mean the intention of the result is to get as much if Blackhand to his descendants as possible. Via Memory is Forever. So Blackhand would surely only sacrifice memories if he didn't have enough oomph to get everything through.

Sacrificing options were.. I guess all his Orthsirr? So his children doesn't get his Orthsirr like they normally would. And he should have had ridiculous amounts of Orthsirr. All his Hamingja is if he's already gonna die and doesn't need Training Dice anymore. Fylgja might be if he still doesn't have enough and he doesn't need Fylgja bonuses so much anymore.

There's probably even more payment he did to make it go through though. Maybe his Muna also. He must have had a ton of Muna since he had so many Hugareida.

Though.

Blackhand, how did you even have so many Hugareida and Hugareida tricks? Even with an Owl Fylgja and Odr infusions, Hugr capacity is an issue for me.
 
Shard said:
Blackhand, how did you even have so many Hugareida and Hugareida tricks? Even with an Owl Fylgja and Odr infusions, Hugr capacity is an issue for me.
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'I didn't have the same tricks on hand at all times. Some, like Kindle Spinner, were common sights, but I did not go into every single battle with Kindle Spinner in my 'trick quiver' or 'toolbelt', if you will.'

0~0~0

Anyways, I'll call voting here in, like, 20 minutes
 
KreenWarrior said:
Steinarr was in the Guard so presumably could sponsor him into it.
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Actually, it's because he's just that strong. We're not strong enough to skip the trials, so we'd need to actually take them.

'Hey Blackhand, are humans the only Norse race that can cultivate using orthstirr and odr? Do other races have their own cultivation?'
 
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Bass11 said:
When we talked with the dwarves we're friends with I think.
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I recall Greed being brought up when we talked with the Dwarves, but I only recall it being brought in the context of 'A dwarves greed means appreciation for craftsmanship, rather than the desire to steal something like a human's greed does' and also 'Dwarves are cursed to never feel the touch of the Sun because of their greed'. I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure there was no mention of a dwarf's greed being akin to their power source.

Imperial Fister said:
'Humans are the only ones who can naturally. I know not the secrets of elves and dwarves.'
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Huh... so like, what, humans are the only race that can naturally access orthstirr and odr to cultivate with it, but it also suggests that elves and dwarves can cultivate, but they do so unnaturally? Or is he saying that he doesn't know whether dwarves and elves can cultivate? Or that he's not aware of how their cultivation functions? Bruh. And he didn't even mention giants, so who knows what's going on with them...

And for all I know, Hallr could be wrong, since his word isn't actually WoG...

'Hey, Blackhand...
1) Can the giants/jotun cultivate?
2) Have you ever met an elf, and if so, what were they like? Do you know where elves reside?
3) Can humans procreate with other races, and if the answer is yes, can these offspring cultivate like normal humans?'
 
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