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NorseQuest (A Norse Xianxia)

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Constenanto said:
Is merely beating the Curse the win condition? Or do we need to beat the Enemy, too? Because if it's the former I don't see how the Enemy is related to Steel, then. Unless beating the Curse would make Norse society more progressive or something, and lead to enough people finding out about True Cultivation that the Enemy can't do shit to stop it.
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I think that destroying the Curse is a necessary part of winning but probably not the whole thing.

Shard said:
If the Enemy is Ymir (and possibly the Primordial Earth/The Wild/Beyond Civilization generally), Steel could be one of the things 'Beyond' it (It is not Earth), so inflicting a Curse upon Steel would be something it would do.

What's fucked up is that even though it seems restricted to the Norse/Finnish, The Curse of Steel affects everyone.
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Who says it's restricted to the Norse? We know it's most powerful there, but a lot of religions had 'those who came before the Gods' in one way or another. Maybe it is all of them to some degree and its more influential to the Norse and some other pagan cultures because they still believe in those, but could just as easily have been found in Ancient Greece before they Christianized or other pagan cultures that had such myths.

Constenanto said:
The Curse seems to have roots in Finnish mythology, though. At the very least, the tale Sten told implies Steel was cursed the moment it came into creation.
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Yeah, but it being done because it could feel them making something new that was outside its Domain would still make some sense.
 
Would it be less dangerous if we told a woman about cultivation, than a man?

It seems the problem is that anyone old enough to cultivate while understanding the dangers, is also dangerous enough that they'll set off several traps with nasty fallout.

But most Norsewoman aren't fighters.
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
Yeah, but it being done because it could feel them making something new that was outside its Domain would still make some sense.
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That's possible, sure. I don't want to completely disregard the tale, though, as I feel like there's still more to it that we don't know. We haven't even heard the full thing, yet.

Shine said:
Would it be less dangerous if we told a woman about cultivation, than a man?

It seems the problem is that anyone old enough to cultivate while understanding the dangers, is also dangerous enough that they'll set off several traps with nasty fallout.

But most Norsewoman aren't fighters.
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I don't think it'd be any less dangerous for a woman then it'd be for a man. The Enemy sends kill-squads that are strong enough to kill the person they're sent after - so it'd pose the same threat to a man as it would a woman, since the danger of the threat scales. Hm. Maybe we could tell a non-combatant, and then have the non-combatant tell other people? Us telling them would proc a reaction from the Enemy that could actually kill us, though, so I'd rather not do that without preparation. Any kill-team a non-combatant procs would, in theory, be weak enough that anyone on our level would be able to deal with it easily, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Enemy has a minimum strength level - like the Foemen being its weakest option, so it'd send Foemen after non-combatants even if they're way stronger than them. And a squad of Foemen can actually pose a decent threat to someone on our level.
 
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Shine said:
Would it be less dangerous if we told a woman about cultivation, than a man?

It seems the problem is that anyone old enough to cultivate while understanding the dangers, is also dangerous enough that they'll set off several traps with nasty fallout.

But most Norsewoman aren't fighters.
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The danger is based on the person doing the telling. So this doesn't help the initial telling at all...but it would help a lot when that woman then passed the information along. It's thus a good long-term, generational, plan to tell noncombatant women and have them pass the information down through the years...which makes me think someone is likely doing exactly that.

Asveig never liked us doing combat-related things and left us instructions to take an amulet and go talk to people in Vestfold. I wonder if perhaps she was an outer part of such a group?

Constenanto said:
I don't think it'd be any less dangerous for a woman then it'd be for a man. The Enemy sends kill-squads that are strong enough to kill the person they're sent after - so it'd pose the same threat to a man as it would a woman, since the danger of the threat scales. Hm. Maybe we could tell a non-combatant, and then have the non-combatant tell other people? Us telling them would proc a reaction from the Enemy that could actually kill us, though, so I'd rather not do that without preparation. Any kill-team a non-combatant procs would, in theory, be weak enough that anyone on our level would be able to deal with it easily, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Enemy has a minimum strength level - like the Foemen being its weakest option, so it'd send Foemen after non-combatants even if they're way stronger than them. And a squad of Foemen can actually pose a decent threat to someone on our level.
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Yeah, pretty much this. And it sort of depends on how many Foemen. We can probably take six just by ourselves at this point, as we came close to that last time...Abjorn was very helpful but he only soloed one of the six and took out another we'd softened up, and we now have nearly double the available Orthstirr we did then and shapeshifting and alloys to boot.
 
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From what I can tell the attack is scaled to utterly curbstomp us. But having noncombatants be the one to tell the secrets of Odr is a very interesting way about it.
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
Yeah, pretty much this. And it sort of depends on how many Foemen. We can probably take six just by ourselves at this point, as we came close to that last time...Abjorn was very helpful but he only soloed one of the six and took out another we'd softened up, and we now have nearly double the available Orthstirr we did then and shapeshifting and alloys to boot.
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Yeah, I oversold it somewhat. We could probably take on a squad of Foemen, but someone like Stigmar (poor guy) would most likely die, or maybe even Tryggr, although I'm not so sure about that.

Huh. I wonder who's stronger between Stigmar and Stigr? Would be kind of embarrassing for your younger sibling to be stronger... although we are stronger than Eric, but he's not a professional warrior.
 
Stigr lost a huge amount of growth potential to the Horra fuckery. Stigmar is probably stronger. He went on a raid after all.
 
Imperial Fister said:
The Jomsvikings were a thing one or two hundred years after the time period that this Quest is set in, but think of their inclusion in this as artistic license, same with the Varangian Guard.
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Taking into account that quest is set in 8973 AD... :V

I did not finish read this quest yet, but I wonder were are rolls for random events.
 
Constenanto said:
Yeah, I oversold it somewhat. We could probably take on a squad of Foemen, but someone like Stigmar (poor guy) would most likely die, or maybe even Tryggr, although I'm not so sure about that.
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Imperial Fister did note that Tryggr and Trausti, unlike Stigmar and like us, could maybe qualify for the Varangian Guard (Sten was the only one who'd make it in for sure), so they're definitely our most badass retainers and could surely each take one group of three of them, though they might have trouble with six each. I'm less certain how well Stigmar would do, though I think he could probably take three of them if prepared, albeit with difficulty.

Constenanto said:
Huh. I wonder who's stronger between Stigmar and Stigr? Would be kind of embarrassing for your younger sibling to be stronger... although we are stronger than Eric, but he's not a professional warrior.
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Stigmar is probably better right now, but I suspect Stigr will be better before too long...he has Godly Luck after all, which means high Hamingja, which means explosive growth potential. Low Orthstirr was likely holding him back before the Troll-Men attack. Not so much afterwards, though I'm sure Stigmar's is still higher right at the moment.

Shard said:
Stigr lost a huge amount of growth potential to the Horra fuckery. Stigmar is probably stronger. He went on a raid after all.
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Not exactly, he lost a huge amount of growth due to the nidheart...but not growth potential. He likely has more Hamingja and thus Training Dice than Stigmar and so will advance faster, but he's more behind to start with than he would be otherwise.
 
Shard said:
Stigr lost a huge amount of growth potential to the Horra fuckery. Stigmar is probably stronger. He went on a raid after all.
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Yeah, that's true. StigrQuest must've been salty af. I think Stigr is strong enough to pass the raid trials, though, given his showing against the troll-men. I guess I just consider Stigr to be stronger and since he's done more impressive stuff, whereas Stigmar hasn't really done much... I feel like he'll end up stronger than Stigmar soon, though.

DeadmanwalkingXI said:
unlike Stigmar and like us, could maybe qualify for the Varangian Guard (Sten was the only one who'd make it in for sure), so they're definitely our most badass retainers and could surely take one group of three of them, though they might have trouble with six if they were alone (the two together could definitely take six). I'm less certain how well Stigmar would do, though I think he could probably take three of them if prepared, albeit with difficulty.
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I'm pretty sure Imperial said that us, Abjorn, Tryggr, Trausti and Sten are eligible for the trials of the Varangian Guard. Sten is the only person that's guaranteed to make it in, though, like you said. Also yeah, I was talking about them fighting the amount of Foemen we fought alone. Together, I'm certain that they could take on a squad of Foemen. Stigmar... not so much.

Imperial Fister said:
Out of your immediate crew, only you, Abjorn, Tryggr, Trausti, and Sten would be eligible to take the trials. Sten's guaranteed a spot, but the rest of you would have to prove yourselves.
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Constenanto said:
Yeah, that's true. StigrQuest must've been salty af. I think Stigr is strong enough to pass the raid trials, though, given his showing against the troll-men. I guess I just consider Stigr to be stronger and since he's done more impressive stuff, whereas Stigmar hasn't really done much... I feel like he'll end up stronger than Stigmar soon, though.
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Stigmar fought pretty well against the Squire (not as well as us, Audrikr, or Abjorn, but those are high bars to reach and he did a lot better than Fabvir) and killed a couple of bandits in the bandit fight. He wasn't an all-star either time, but he was solid. His showing against the Troll-Men appears similar...he did fine. Stigr obviously wasn't on the raid, and didn't achieve a whole lot in the bandit fight, but did some absurd last-stand shit vs. the troll men.

Constenanto said:
I'm pretty sure Imperial said that us, Abjorn, Tryggr, Trausti and Sten are eligible for the trials of the Varangian Guard. Sten is the only person that's guaranteed to make it in, though, like you said. Also yeah, I was talking about them fighting the amount of Foemen we fought alone. Together, I'm certain that they could take on a squad of Foemen. Stigmar... not so much.
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Well, a 'squad' of Foemen seems to be 3 of them, which is where I was going with that. Tryggr and Trausti could each take that many...6 each might be trickier, but that might be tricky for Abjorn as well, to be honest. AoE really helps vs. that many opponents and we haven't seen any of the three manage AoE at all.

Stigmar would definitely lose to 6, I think, but could probably take 3, if with more difficulty than the others.
 
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DeadmanwalkingXI said:
Stigmar fought pretty well against the Squire (not as well as us, Audrikr, or Abjorn, but those are high bars to reach and he did a lot better than Fabvir) and killed a couple of bandits in the bandit fight. He wasn't an all-star either time, but he was solid. His showing against the Troll-Men appears similar...he did fine. Stigr obviously wasn't on the raid, and didn't achieve a whole lot in the bandit fight, but did some absurd last-stand shit vs. the troll men.
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That's true, he's definitely a solid fighter. He just isn't a freak like most of us are, more like your average professional warrior. I still do think Stigr will end up surpassing him sooner or later though, if he's lucky and doesn't fuck up.

As for Fabvir, well... I don't really care for any of our felagi to be honest. Not that I want them to die, or would let them die, but the only ones that really stick out to me are Audrikr, Folkmarr and Barki. Barki mostly because I found his fylgja really fuckin' cool. Doesn't help that we barely know most of our fellow felagi, lmao.
 
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Constenanto said:
That's true, he's definitely a solid fighter. He just isn't a freak like most of us are, more like your average professional warrior. I still do think Stigr will end up surpassing him sooner or later though, if he's lucky and doesn't fuck up.
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Agreed entirely.

Constenanto said:
As for Fabvir, well... I don't really care for any of our felagi to be honest. Not that I want them to die, or would let them die, but the only ones that really stick out to me are Audrikr, Folkmarr and Barki. Barki mostly because I found his fylgja really fuckin' cool. Doesn't help that we barely know most of our fellow felagi, lmao.
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We had limited time to get to know them...you've listed all the ones whose names we know (other than Fabvir and Stigmar). And I don't really care about most of them one way or the other, Audrikr aside. I think we should try and mend fences with Folkmarr once Horra is outlawed, but just because we have literally no reason to actually be enemies and cutting down on the number of those is good, not because I think he's a great guy or anything.
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
We had limited time to get to know them...you've listed all the ones whose names we know (other than Fabvir and Stigmar). And I don't really care about most of them one way or the other, Audrikr aside. I think we should try and mend fences with Folkmarr once Horra is outlawed, but just because we have literally no reason to actually be enemies and cutting down on the number of those is good, not because I think he's a great guy or anything.
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Yeah, I pretty much feel the exact same way. I think Audrikr is the only one we can really call a 'friend', and he's not really a close one either... though that might be more because of the feud between us rather than anything else.

By the way, if Folkmarr is going raiding, are we required to join him, as one of his felagi?
 
Constenanto said:
Yeah, I pretty much feel the exact same way. I think Audrikr is the only one we can really call a 'friend', and he's not really a close one either... though that might be more because of the feud between us rather than anything else.
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Generally agreed, and I think he'd be friendlier absent our tensions with Folkmarr, yes.

Constenanto said:
By the way, if Folkmarr is going raiding, are we required to join him, as one of his felagi?
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Being felagi is a contractual agreement for a specific raid, so no. Neither is anyone else and some of them probably aren't hanging around him any more...some are also almost certainly serving as his huskarls like Stigmar, Tryggr, and Trausti are for us, though.

Audrikr seems his designated minder, I bet Barki is still with him, and Fabvir is apparently a childhood friend, so those three are pretty definitely still with him, and he likely has several more, but whether they're the same ones we went on the raid with is another question entirely.
 
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Honestly pretty scared about the Christianization plotline coming up. How are we gonna deal with their BS and Crusades? They've already wiped out the Saxons, and we're next, aren't we?
 
Shard said:
Honestly pretty scared about the Christianization plotline coming up. How are we gonna deal with their BS and Crusades? They've already wiped out the Saxons, and we're next, aren't we?
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Not for a long while given the x10 timeline. The Danelaw persisted in England until 954 in real life, which means more than another 500 years or so in quest time if the timeline is x10 like everything else...the Christians would definitely want to throw them out of England before they did anything else militarily. There was some conversion stuff going on during that time, but not any crusades, just attempts at conversion.
 
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