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A puzzle would be a better and more appropriate way.
I think it's Ymir though.
What would Sten be testifying for in this case?
NorseQuest (A Norse Xianxia)
- Thread starter I.F. Ister
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I think it's Ymir though.
Hmm. Wondering if the Enemy is the curse, made sentient. Though Neanderthals don't seem particularly related to Steel. Nor many other things the Enemy does.
I will note that another notch in the primordial serpent theory is that the Wasp tainted Steel with venom from a snake (among other things).
Found some interesting excerpts from the Finnish Steel Myth from The Pre-and Proto- Historic Finns: Both Eastern and Western, with the Magic Songs of the West Finns, , found via Wikipedia's sources section. One bit that stands out is that Iron and Humanity are considered brothers, as they both came from three maidens. Thus, Steel's wounding of humanity (as the result of maddening iron) is an act of kinstrife.
Not the main myth, but the idea of iron coming from bogs, but also from bear footprints is recurring and odd.
Iron "seeds" are mentioned in this book, I suppose that's similar to "eggs". No mention of them being underground though, least insofar as I saw.
Didn't he and Steinarr had to fight horde of Trollmen to get to otg side of the fjord in the winter?
I don't think he will be testifying "against" the other side, but providing supportive evidence that there was an increase in troll men activity which was damaging to our side of the fjord.
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'I was dead. I presume so, as, well, why wouldn't they?
Truthfully, I don't know that Ironjaw has one or not.'
That the Troll-men were being aggressive. Which is normal, but they're not often seen above ground so…
Very cool find, reward dice
Please remind me of it when I'm next online, as I am very tired right now
'Yes.'
'i guess, yeah? Weird way of wording that.'
do they share the weaknes to the sunlight that trolls and dwarves have?
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Blackhand - if the enemy is dead, then how does that death limit it? In particular, is it locked into its rules and roles? Is it thus made something that can be predicted and planned around, or is it capable of breaking its own rules when it will? If it *is* capable of breaking its own rules, then when should we begin to be concerned by that possibility?
Well, that all but clinches it as Ymir, I think.
or maybe Baldur, or Hel.
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The Enemy being Ymir would explain why it knows so very much.
To hide from it we would need somewhere not of earth, sky or sea.
Makes you wonder if Odr is Ymir's Blood.
Would explain why he hates Odr cultivators so much, because they're literally pillaging his body.
To hide from it we would need somewhere not of earth, sky or sea.
Makes you wonder if Odr is Ymir's Blood.
Would explain why he hates Odr cultivators so much, because they're literally pillaging his body.
Time to found the Norse space program.
Instead of using rockets, we pick up the astronauts and throw them directly into orbit.
Depending on how allegorical and accurate the Finnish myth, it might be that an act of kinstrife caused the curse on Steel rather than the Enemy directly. But yeah, that's a good question. There's also a question of how the Enemy got their fingers into Norse cultivation.
Steel is cursed for everyone.
The Weapon that defeats the curse of Steel is Norse (probably Gram, possibly Tyrfing).
The Enemy is invested in the Curse of Steel to the point that defeating the Curse is victory, but may not have created it.
The Enemy is Norse and is linked mostly to Norse lands.
The Enemy wants to stop the Norse from progressing.
Steelfathers keep the status quo and use Steel and it's Curse.
The Enemy's favored servants are Neanderthals, who are not particularly Norse.
Giants literally exist, and are not Foemen.
The Enemy has power to hide knowledge, including the substance of cultivation. It's knowledge is vast in some areas and lacking in others.
The Enemy is connected to odr, but does not use odr.
This is a weird goddamn logic puzzle.
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Just need to perfect EWC first.
Hey Imperial Fister, what is the legal status of Tryggr and Trausti now?
Hey Blackhand, has the step of bringing the secret of cultivation to Seeresses (and other daughters of elm) been taken yet?
So that they can keep it and pass it on to those they dem worthy to join the fight, while only needing guards for Seeress scaled threats?
Hey Blackhand, was Odin part of killing the enemy?
(Odin was part of the group that killed Ymir, Odr may be named after Odin (or Odr may be a different god), and if Odr is named after Odin that would be a direct connection to someone Ymir would consider his murderer)
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It sounded like they serve as a place to write things down and thus experiment with our ability to pass on information in writing rather than verbally. I see no reason that would give us extra training dice.
Nothing directly, but the Curse of Steel only seems tied to the Enemy inasmuch as the Enemy doesn't like metalworking or civilization in general, and the Curse helps stop those things.
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The word "Draug" underwent some linguistic drift: originally a broad class of revenant or zombie like the one we've seen in this quest, later it was specifically the water-dwelling drowned dead who had not gotten proper burials and tried to drag other people into the sea to drown. A word for whirlpool or chaotic water current was dragsug, lit. "sucking pull" but sometimes respelled as draugsug, the Draug's Pull.
In modern Norway, a comedy sketch introduced the humorous derivative "Dodraug" (Toilet Revenant, or Toilet Zombie), a monster which allegedly lives in the toilet bowl water and will drag you into the pipes to drown if you leave the seat up. It is a very silly story of the sort that's theoretically told to scare children into acting right - but even little children aren't naive enough to believe in the Toilet Zombie, that's almost as silly as the Underpants Gnomes.
I was reminded of this silly story because of reading a RL news story involving someone who went to the toilet and found it did in fact contain a monster, a young Argentine Tegu that had been illegally imported by a neighbor and escaped into the plumbing.
Imagine going to pee and you see this thing's head and claws sticking up from the toilet, scrabbling at the bowl and trying to get out but the surface is too smooth and wet. Not a good day.
Animal Control was called to come and pick up the lizard, which was sent to a nearby zoo and named "Dodraugen" for the incident. Worst superhero origin story ever, you escape into the plumbing and now your superhero nickname is "Toilet Zombie". Not a good day for the lizard either.
Circling back around to the quest again, I hope to see a bit more wild animals mentioned in the story, whether monsters or just funny background critters. The story feels... kinda urban with the lack of them. The farm animals are domesticated and abstracted away, the elephant existed as part of a plot not a wilderness, and in three visits to the Hading Woods I think we saw a total of one animal mentioned (the deer-monster).
In modern Norway, a comedy sketch introduced the humorous derivative "Dodraug" (Toilet Revenant, or Toilet Zombie), a monster which allegedly lives in the toilet bowl water and will drag you into the pipes to drown if you leave the seat up. It is a very silly story of the sort that's theoretically told to scare children into acting right - but even little children aren't naive enough to believe in the Toilet Zombie, that's almost as silly as the Underpants Gnomes.
I was reminded of this silly story because of reading a RL news story involving someone who went to the toilet and found it did in fact contain a monster, a young Argentine Tegu that had been illegally imported by a neighbor and escaped into the plumbing.
Imagine going to pee and you see this thing's head and claws sticking up from the toilet, scrabbling at the bowl and trying to get out but the surface is too smooth and wet. Not a good day.
Animal Control was called to come and pick up the lizard, which was sent to a nearby zoo and named "Dodraugen" for the incident. Worst superhero origin story ever, you escape into the plumbing and now your superhero nickname is "Toilet Zombie". Not a good day for the lizard either.
Circling back around to the quest again, I hope to see a bit more wild animals mentioned in the story, whether monsters or just funny background critters. The story feels... kinda urban with the lack of them. The farm animals are domesticated and abstracted away, the elephant existed as part of a plot not a wilderness, and in three visits to the Hading Woods I think we saw a total of one animal mentioned (the deer-monster).
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Not so sure about this. I get the impression the Enemy introduced Steel themselves to Norse cultivation, even if the Steelfathers themselves aren't under its direct sway. Something like the Enemy somehow forcing all true Norse cultivator's into hiding or killing them all, and then introducing Steelfathers so that people don't try and rediscover true cultivation. Feels like too much of a coincidence if the Norse just happened to introduce Steel themselves and beating the Curse of Steel being the win condition. Especially since Steel is fucked, so people turning to it to empower themselves seems weird.
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Possible, but when asked if the Enemy tried to suppress steel making, Blackhand said it didn't care. Steel is a means to an end for the Enemy, not something it cares about deeply and intrinsically.
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True. I'm pretty sure the Enemy predates Steel, too... maybe it's something like the Enemy introducing Steelfathers, but merely as a means of preventing the Norse from going any further than that? And the Enemy couldn't care less about Steel other than that. I don't think they're tied to Steel or anything like that, though. It's just another thing to manipulate.
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Yeah, that's very plausible. The Enemy is clearly making use of the Curse of Steel and may even be partially behind it, but I think they did it to stop people from using a better metal and stop progress, not because Steel meant something to them in and of itself. Ditto introducing Steelfathers...it may be involved, but because it wants to create a dead end in Norse cultivation, not because it actually cares about Steel.
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Is merely beating the Curse the win condition? Or do we need to beat the Enemy, too? Because if it's the former I don't see how the Enemy is related to Steel, then. Unless beating the Curse would make Norse society more progressive or something, and lead to enough people finding out about True Cultivation that the Enemy can't do shit to stop it.
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If the Enemy is Ymir (and possibly the Primordial Earth/The Wild/Beyond Civilization generally), Steel could be one of the things 'Beyond' it (It is not Earth), so inflicting a Curse upon Steel would be something it would do.
What's fucked up is that even though it seems restricted to the Norse/Finnish, The Curse of Steel affects everyone.
What's fucked up is that even though it seems restricted to the Norse/Finnish, The Curse of Steel affects everyone.
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The Curse seems to have roots in Finnish mythology, though. At the very least, the tale Sten told implies Steel was cursed the moment it came into creation.